Apple Introduces All New MacBook Pro with Retina Display

[Dippyskoodlez]

Originally Posted by Yo_Wattup

. He was not posting anything factual, just attacking anyone who looked like they didn't like apple... a little like yourself...

My god, you apple guys get so defensive....

[Moose]

I love how macs are always compared to cars, ok we'll do that for a mac you take a, lets say, porche chassis and stick a lawnmower engine in it and charge the same you would a porche.

In a pc (or linux based machine) you take whatever chassis you want and stick whatever engine you like in it, W16 inside a bugatti veyron chassis anyone?

Yes the fastest pc is faster than the fastest mac.

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by Moose

Yes the fastest pc is faster than the fastest mac.

No doubt about that, but a Mac can do things a PC can't and with Boot Camp Macs can do everything PC can.

[Frick]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

but a Mac can do things a PC can't

What would that be?

[acerace]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

No doubt about that, but a Mac can do things a PC can't and with Boot Camp Macs can do everything PC can.

What? iCloud?

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by Frick

What would that be?

Final Cut Pro for one

[alucard13mmfmj]

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"Apple made a number of announcements during its Worldwide Developers Conference yesterday (June 11), including some that could change the way gamers look at its laptops forever, with the new MacBook Pro."

It seems Apple trying to market it's new MacBook as a gaming laptop?... While I'm sure it would be decent in gaming, I wonder how much it'll cost. I'm guessing 2,000 US dollars.

I do like apple for the looks of its computers and solid exterior build. The other parts don't really interest me... I think the thing that annoys me is the single button mouses for MACs >.>. You'll be surprise how many I still run into these single button mouses.

[Aquinus]

Originally Posted by alucard13mmfmj

I do like apple for the looks of its computers and solid exterior build. The other parts don't really interest me... I think the thing that annoys me is the single button mouses for MACs >.>. You'll be surprise how many I still run into these single button mouses.

Then plug a two button mouse into the Mac? You need a right click? Hold control. You have a trackpad? tap it with two fingers. This is a non-issue with modern Macs. I like my MBP because it's an i5 that gets 7 hours of battery life, even after heavy battery use after 1 year. I can't complain, granted I also didn't have to buy it, my job provides a MBP 13" Mac for all full time employees. So if you take the price out of the picture, Apple makes pretty nice products.

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

Final Cut Pro for one

Ever use Adobe Premiere? Please, continue the list of software that makes a difference for the average user.

[repman244]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

Final Cut Pro for one

Windows: Adobe Premier, Sony Vegas, and if I remember correctly Avid as well...

So far the only advantage of MBP is the battery life for such a thin laptop.
But being thin only brings more heat and I somehow fail to see this machine running heavy workloads, of course I could be wrong and Apple actually improved cooling a lot, but it's thickness doesn't suggest that.

[Aquinus]

Originally Posted by repman244

But being thin only brings more heat and I somehow fail to see this machine running heavy workloads, of course I could be wrong and Apple actually improved cooling a lot, but it's thickness doesn't suggest that.

Apple products actually don't run any hotter than other solutions, you just feel is because the alumninum chassis conducts heat from the CPU (and GPU if you have discrete video,) but that is half of the reason Apple started using the aluminum chassis, you don't want to keep the heat in, you want to get it out and the aluminum chassis does that.

My MBP 13" does get warm, but certainly no hotter than my Dell Studio 1735, in fact I would say the actual air that comes out is cooler, but the chassis get hotter, but that was also what Apple was trying to do, so it really is a non-issue.

I personally like OS X as an OS. It's very solid and very fluid. I like it a lot better than the monstrosity that is Windows 8 and Metro.

Personally, I've been liking *nix with X and i3 window manager until I want to play a video game, in that case I use Windows 7, but honestly, OS X is a good intermediary.

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by Aquinus

Ever use Adobe Premiere? Please, continue the list of software that makes a difference for the average user.

No, I haven't used either software, but around me people use either one or the other but not both at the same time, so if you are working with a Final Cut group you are more or less forced to get one.

That is more or less the only reason I managed to extract other than people getting Mac for looks or they are Mac trained.

[repman244]

Originally Posted by Aquinus

Apple products actually don't run any hotter than other solutions, you just feel is because the alumninum chassis conducts heat from the CPU (and GPU if you have discrete video,) but that is half of the reason Apple started using the aluminum chassis, you don't want to keep the heat in, you want to get it out and the aluminum chassis does that.

My MBP 13" does get warm, but certainly no hotter than my Dell Studio 1735, in fact I would say the actual air that comes out is cooler, but the chassis get hotter, but that was also what Apple was trying to do, so it really is a non-issue.

I personally like OS X as an OS. It's very solid and very fluid. I like it a lot better than the monstrosity that is Windows 8 and Metro.

Personally, I've been liking *nix with X and i3 window manager until I want to play a video game, in that case I use Windows 7, but honestly, OS X is a good intermediary.

For me, I can't stand a hot body of the laptop, especially when the keyboard area is hot and causing your hands to sweat like crazy (it could be my hands ), the exhaust is there to vent out the hot air so why not use it instead of using the whole body (Don't get me wrong, I understand what you are trying to say when talking about the aluminium shell).
However it could be my type of workload which is mostly CAD/Rendering/Photo editing where the laptop is usually running at highest usage, both GPU and CPU, yes it's a bit noisy when it's fan ramps up but I can't imagine having a thinner laptop with a small fan inside

I like OS X for it's DPI scaling which Win 7 lacks, I hope it will be improved for Win 8 since it will be used on wide variety of devices with different resolutions and display sizes

[Aquinus]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

That is more or less the only reason I managed to extract other than people getting Mac for looks or they are Mac trained.

I find OS X more intuitive than other solutions, their support is also amazing considering at least where I live, can actually bring the physical computer to the Apple Store and I will know that when I get it back I wont:

A: Pay a single cent except for the gas to get there.
B: It will work when I get it back.
...and last but not least (my favorite,)
C: If you have a Apple product with a known hardware issue that has caused issues with your machine, they will fix it for free regardless of the status of your warranty.

Finally as a Systems Admin who manages dozens of mobile Macs, I can tell you that administration of remote systems on Macs is amazing. So all in all, I find that I have to fix Apple laptops at lot less than PC laptops. Apple products just simply have less issues with both hardware and software, and if it is in warranty, Apple makes it simple for the user. You're buying that user experience, you're not just buying hardware.

My laptop has only crashed after being put to sleep and woken up multiple times over the course of multiple weeks with the exception of the Airport utility, which just doesn't work half of the time for me but that could be because of how I configured the laptop and our network, so I could have introduced that bug.

[Moose]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

with Boot Camp Macs can do everything PC can.

The thing about boot camp is you've turned it into a pc, as soon as you talk about stuff you run on that you are complimenting windows and it's ability to be installed on anything, microsoft don't lock it to certain computers.

[repman244]

I found some pictures of a disassembled unit: http://forum.notebookreview.com/appl...-warning.html#

The glued battery

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by Moose

The thing about boot camp is you've turned it into a pc, as soon as you talk about stuff you run on that you are complimenting windows and it's ability to be installed on anything, microsoft don't lock it to certain computers.

Microsoft primarily provides software and no more, Apple is an integrated system manufacturer. Its quite a lot different, for example you can build your own Caterham 7 off parts you choose, but you can only buy a Ford as is.

[Prima.Vera]

Originally Posted by repman244

I have just one question:

At what type of workloads are these laptops aimed?

And I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely interested.

Browsing internet, office work, some movies/music usage, but mostly bragging with it.

[FordGT90Concept]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

No doubt about that, but a Mac can do things a PC can't and with Boot Camp Macs can do everything PC can.

Again, that's not a feature of Mac, it's a feature of Windows being able to run on just about any hardware out there. Try to install Mac OS X on an off the shelf DOS box. Can't do it or if you can, it's full of headaches. Apple installs firmware on their hardware to prevent its OS from being installed on non-Apple hardware (a.k.a. DRM). Again, a testament to Windows' flexibility, Apple's clever marketing (spinning a con into a pro), and fanatacism (beliving the lie).

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

Microsoft primarily provides software and no more, Apple is an integrated system manufacturer. Its quite a lot different, for example you can build your own Caterham 7 off parts you choose, but you can only buy a Ford as is.

Microsoft provides a foundation, namely WDM which allows any manufacturer to easily write drivers for their product that will work on Windows.

Mac, on the other hand, only supports the hardware it is compiled to support in the firmware. Those options are very, very limited and most off-the-shelf products have no support at all.

Never heard of an upfitter apparently. For example, you can't buy a Ford with a CNG system directly from the factory. You have to buy the vehicle from Ford and have an upfitter install a CNG system. The vehicle is still warrantied by Ford but Ford did not do all the final assembly on the vehicle.

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Again, that's not a feature of Mac, it's a feature of Windows being able to run on just about any hardware out there. Try to install Mac OS X on an off the shelf PC. Can't do it or if you can, it's full of headaches. Apple installs firmware on their hardware to prevent its OS from being installed on non-Apple hardware. Again, a testiment to Windows' flexibility and Apple's clever marketing (spinning a con into a pro).

Whether that is a feature or a pain in the ass its still a fact. Windows build their OS in such a way that you can run it everywhere, whereas Mac OS is tied down to the machine and that is how their business plans worked since 1970s.

If you actually compare a MacBook and a HP/Dell/etc with similar specs the Mac OS premium is not that much. The cost of a MacBook Pro is only slightly more than a similarly spec'ed Alienware, something which is well known to overprice their stuff by about 20% or more and still have poorer build quality.

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Microsoft provides a foundation, namely WDM which allows any manufacturer to easily write drivers for their product that will work on Windows.

Mac, on the other hand, only supports the hardware it is compiled to support in the firmware. Those options are very, very limited and most off-the-shelf products have no support at all.

Never heard of an upfitter apparently. For example, you can't buy a Ford with a CNG system directly from the factory. You have to buy the vehicle from Ford and have an upfitter install a CNG system. The vehicle is still warrantied by Ford but Ford did not do all the final assembly on the vehicle.

Microsoft doesn't manufacture much hardware, if at all hence it is to their advantage if you can easily write a driver so your product can run on Windows. Mac on the other hand, wants to control the entire ecosystem so that the end users will have the best experience (and earning a fair bit of coin in the way). Different approaches to the same idea, for example democracy works very well in US while you have a more or less an authoritarianism in Singapore, and you cannot really say neither country is not successful. One thing to note is that if you have a smaller headcount in your environment (eg smaller number of users, smaller population etc) its direct control from top down is the better option than one which has a big headcount. In that sense you can say Apple has grown too big and popular for its userbase.

As a side note I have never encountered problems with using anything I plug into a Mac and there is usually a workaround (mostly through Linux) for the more pesky ones.

Yes I have never seen any options to fit CNG in UK or elsewhere by Ford, so I automatically assumed you cant. Change that car to something else which has that property.

[FordGT90Concept]

I linked to this one a while ago in this thread (and that was without trying very hard):
MSI G Series GT600NC-004US Notebook Intel Core i7 ...

It's better equiped than the MacBook Pro or equal to it in every way except monitor and battery life and it's $700 less.

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

I linked to this one a while ago in this thread (and that was without trying very hard):
MSI G Series GT600NC-004US Notebook Intel Core i7 ...

It's better equiped than the MacBook Pro or equal to it in every way except monitor and battery life and it's $700 less.

Yup the MSI G series is really powerful and has very good bang for buck, but its an exception these days rather than the norm. Even Asus G series doesn't come close. Criticisms include being much more bulky and plasticky than a MacBook and the end user have to be slightly more careful when handling one. Source: playing around with GX660R, GT680 and GT780 and asking for the owner's experiences. the owner of GT680 also owns a MBA and uses both machines depending on what he wants to do (MBA for work and outside home stuff, GT680 stays in his room for gaming).

[FordGT90Concept]

For $700 difference, who is really going to complain? You could buy an ultrabook too for that difference, or a tablet.

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

sorry but i must interject. apple has been pushing hardware since the ipod. they were the first to stick that much computing power in a small mobile device.

yeah and now they buy bullshit patents and try to start patent wars on the competition when they make a better product then apple. yay! Seriously though

[cadaveca]

THe new macbooks look good, but boy, are they pricey!

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

For $700 difference, who is really going to complain? You could buy an ultrabook too for that difference, or a tablet.

That laptop series along with MBA 11" and Asus K5x series are what I usually recommend people to get if they want a laptop, I give plenty of love to them

Originally Posted by nvidiaintelftw

yeah and now they buy bullshit patents and try to start patent wars on the competition when they make a better product then apple. yay! Seriously though

Patent trolls are nothing new, Apple stands to lose more or less everything they spent on their R&D and their raison d'etre if they don't do that. Nasty, but that is how quite a lot of companies in the tech industry work.