RealTemp General Discussion - Page 41

Verliux · Jul 8, 2012, 05:48 AM

Can anyone help me understand how to read this. Not understanding it what so ever and have tried looking for documents or something on forum explaining it but cant find anything.

unclewebb · Jul 8, 2012, 03:38 PM

i7 Turbo GT shows you the load and average multiplier for each thread of your CPU. It hasn't been updated for a long time so may or may not support the new Ivy Bridge CPUs. It was mostly just a testing program that I decided to share.

If you are the guy that also sent me an email then read that first and be specific with your questions. Post a screen shot or two and then you can ask me what does that number mean if you don't understand what it is telling you. Put a load on your CPU and your multipliers should stabilize.

ThrottleStop 5.00 has replaced i7 Turbo GT.
You can find a time limited beta version here with initial Ivy Bridge support:

http://www.techinferno.com/downloads/

kesawi · Jul 13, 2012, 10:56 AM

I haven't had any success in getting RealTemp to run at all. I've downloaded v3.70, unzipped it and have run it as administrator by right clicking and selecting run as administrator. I keep getting a window labelled Driver Error stating that Driver Not Found On Network. The WinRing0 libraries extracted to the same directory as RealTemp and I haven't touched anything. I haven't been able to find an answer through Google. I'm running Windows 7 64-Bit on an I7-3770K. Help greatly appreciated.

unclewebb · Jul 13, 2012, 04:04 PM

kesawi: What anti virus program and/or anti spyware programs are you running?

WinRing0 is a powerful library and some of these programs don't like it. I think Windows itself can flag a driver that fails to start and then any software like RealTemp that depends on WinRing0 will fail to run.

I am using Windows 7 x64 and I can download RealTemp from TechPowerUp, unzip it to my desktop and it starts up fine. I can also unzip it to Program Files (x86) and it works OK there too. The difference is that I am using an account with full Administrator privileges.

Unfortunately there isn't anything I can do to troubleshoot this issue for you. I didn't write WinRing0 and it is no longer available or being maintained, likely do to lack of financial support from the user community. Free software is free to use but it costs developers a lot of money to get a driver signed by Microsoft.

I wrote another program called ThrottleStop that also uses the WinRing0 driver. You could try downloading version 5.00 which supports Ivy Bridge and unzip that and then see if that starts up for you or if that gets blocked too.

ThrottleStop 5.00
http://www.techinferno.com/downloads/

If it starts, try dragging just RealTemp.exe into the ThrottleStop folder. Maybe you can trick your computer into letting this run.

kesawi · Jul 13, 2012, 04:14 PM

Unfortunately ThrottleStop doesn't run either. Brings up an error Could not open WinRing0.dll when I try to run it. I'm using Microsoft Security Essentials as my anti-virus and have tried to run both programs with it disabled.

unclewebb · Jul 13, 2012, 04:28 PM

I know on a fresh install of Windows 7, if you have administrator privileges, RealTemp or ThrottleStop will start up fine. I use Avast antivirus.

I guess you will have to try running Core Temp.
http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/

It reads the same sensors as RealTemp does. I obviously prefer RealTemp but if all you want to know is the core temperature of your CPU, either program will do. You shouldn't have any WinRing issues with Core Temp.

drakdoc · Jul 14, 2012, 07:41 AM

Hi,
I'm using your nice soft for several months. This morning DiabloIII told me I'd not the latest Nvidia drivers for my video card. I upgraded from 295.73-notebook-win7-winvista-64bit-international-whql to 301.42-notebook-win7-winvista-64bit-international-whql and now gpu T° is always 0°C. Is there anything I need to do ?
Thanks in advance.
Drak
PS : i was using RT 3.6 ; i upgraded to 3.7 but nothing changed.

drakdoc · Jul 14, 2012, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drakdoc

Hi,
I'm using your nice soft for several months. This morning DiabloIII told me I'd not the latest Nvidia drivers for my video card. I upgraded from 295.73-notebook-win7-winvista-64bit-international-whql to 301.42-notebook-win7-winvista-64bit-international-whql and now gpu T° is always 0°C. Is there anything I need to do ?
Thanks in advance.
Drak
PS : i was using RT 3.6 ; i upgraded to 3.7 but nothing changed.

Hi again, sorry for the false problem. In fact something probably went wrong during the nvidai ugrade (i wasn't able to play diablo anymore for instance: invisible). I reinstalled nvidia over the fresh upgrade and now RT is doing the job

.

Drak

plagasx · Jul 19, 2012, 04:56 AM

Hello, I have downloaded Real Temp 3.70 and I have noticed that even when I have all my power saving features disabled Real Temp always lowers my CPU frequency back to stock whenever I overclock... No other temp monitoring program does this.

I have an ivy bridge i5 3570k processor. What do I need to do to stop this?

Thanks.

unclewebb · Jul 19, 2012, 05:55 AM

plagasx: Is Disable Turbo selected in the Settings window? Make sure that box is cleared and then push OK to exit the Settings window.

ney2x · Jul 20, 2012, 03:39 PM

Any plan to make a sidebar gadget? I ask because Core Temp 1.0 RC3 together with Core Temp gadget is not accurate... I installed Intel Power Gadget 2.0 and only RealTemp 3.70 is giving me accurate Processor Power and Frequency, they have the same output. Thanks in advance.

gopal · Jul 21, 2012, 01:52 PM

Intel P4 631 not supported!
Can you add the support for it!

unclewebb · Jul 21, 2012, 03:03 PM

ney2x: I never use the sidebar gadget so I don't intend to add one to RealTemp.

gopal: RealTemp does not support the Intel P4 CPUs because they do not have individual core temperature sensors like the newer Core, Core 2 Duo and Core i processors have. I think HWiNFO can read the single CPU temperature sensor in the P4.

gopal · Jul 21, 2012, 03:07 PM

Is there any way to read P4 temps by using RealTemp?

unclewebb · Jul 21, 2012, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gopal

Is there any way to read P4 temps by using RealTemp?

No.

bim27142 · Jul 23, 2012, 09:10 AM

Is there a way to make RealTemp not trigger the UAC prompts without disabling UAC or lowering its notification settings? Not sure how to explain it but I think you know what I mean... since, I was thinking of putting them on my startup but it annoys me that I have to click "yes" in UAC everytime.

I've tried reading Installation & Calibration Page but I can't seem to find direct answers though I saw something about Task Scheduler but I wasn't able to follow that anymore...

puma99dk| · Jul 23, 2012, 09:13 AM

bim27142 if u r running Windows 7 Ultimate why do u still use UAC?

i have disabled UAC and my own PC and on my dad's PC both with Windows 7 Ultimate, bcs i got tired of the "fadeout popup" after just a few hours of pre-testing of Windows Vista which wasn't good anyway.

bim27142 · Jul 23, 2012, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puma99dk|

bim27142 if u r running Windows 7 Ultimate why do u still use UAC?

Ahhmm sorry, but is there a good reason "not to" when you are already running Win7 Ultimate? I mean, besides the annoyance it brings to users prompting and fading out the desktop....

puma99dk| · Jul 23, 2012, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bim27142

Ahhmm sorry, but is there a good reason "not to" when you are already running Win7 Ultimate? I mean, besides the annoyance it brings to users prompting and fading out the desktop....

still i got rid of it bcs i got sick of it popping up all the times, plus if uno what u r doing why u need promission to start anything?

bim27142 · Jul 23, 2012, 09:30 AM

^^ Good point...

But my wife sometimes use my desktop as well, so I better leave it on as she might do "click and click" while browsing...

puma99dk| · Jul 23, 2012, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bim27142

^^ Good point...

But my wife sometimes use my desktop as well, so I better leave it on as she might do "click and click" while browsing...

ino the types sounds like my sis and mum, even my sis is kinda getting the point of not doing it, and i teased my dad that long time ago bcs i was tired of being the one who needed to be there asap to fix it

burebista · Jul 23, 2012, 10:30 AM

[offtopic]

She can do whatever she wants with your PC if you have something like this installed and active
Toolwiz Time freeze
Sandboxie

[/offtopic]

dioskey · Aug 9, 2012, 11:31 AM

Hi,
i have an acer aspire 7738g notebook with modded bios and an intel QX9300 cpu inside.

I've found usefull the C1E switch but i need to reset it at every restart.

How can i tell to realtemp to auto activate it at each startup?

Before you ask, there is no option about it in bios, even if it has all the menu unlocked.

Thanks in advance!

unclewebb · Aug 9, 2012, 03:06 PM

If you have a QX9300, check out:

ThrottleStop 5.00
http://www.techinferno.com/downloads/

With ThrottleStop you can unlock the CPU multiplier and get your QX9300 running significantly faster as well as play with C1E.

This post will show you how to add ThrottleStop or RealTemp to your start up sequence using the Task Scheduler.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/hard...ml#post6865107

You can also copy a link to either of these programs into your Startup folder. Click on the Windows Start logo and then click on All Programs and you should be able to find your Startup folder.

dioskey · Aug 9, 2012, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unclewebb

If you have a QX9300, check out:

ThrottleStop 5.00
http://www.techinferno.com/downloads/

With ThrottleStop you can unlock the CPU multiplier and get your QX9300 running significantly faster as well as play with C1E.

This post will show you how to add ThrottleStop or RealTemp to your start up sequence using the Task Scheduler.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/hard...ml#post6865107

You can also copy a link to either of these programs into your Startup folder. Click on the Windows Start logo and then click on All Programs and you should be able to find your Startup folder.

@unclewebb: great! i'll try!

thanks

Jul 8, 2012, 05:48 AM	#1001
Verliux Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: United States Posts: 1 (0.00/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i7 Turbo GT 1.30 Can anyone help me understand how to read this. Not understanding it what so ever and have tried looking for documents or something on forum explaining it but cant find anything.

Jul 14, 2012, 07:41 AM	#1007
drakdoc Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 2 (0.01/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	GPU T° not detected after driver upgrade Hi, I'm using your nice soft for several months. This morning DiabloIII told me I'd not the latest Nvidia drivers for my video card. I upgraded from 295.73-notebook-win7-winvista-64bit-international-whql to 301.42-notebook-win7-winvista-64bit-international-whql and now gpu T° is always 0°C. Is there anything I need to do ? Thanks in advance. Drak PS : i was using RT 3.6 ; i upgraded to 3.7 but nothing changed.

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Jul 23, 2012, 09:10 AM	#1016
bim27142 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Pilipinas! Posts: 405 (0.13/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts System Specs	Is there a way to make RealTemp not trigger the UAC prompts without disabling UAC or lowering its notification settings? Not sure how to explain it but I think you know what I mean... since, I was thinking of putting them on my startup but it annoys me that I have to click "yes" in UAC everytime. I've tried reading Installation & Calibration Page but I can't seem to find direct answers though I saw something about Task Scheduler but I wasn't able to follow that anymore... __________________ CPU-Z validation sig pics temporarily blocked

Jul 8, 2012, 03:38 PM	#1002
unclewebb RealTemp Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 903 (0.50/day) Thanks: 15 Thanked 394 Times in 271 Posts	i7 Turbo GT shows you the load and average multiplier for each thread of your CPU. It hasn't been updated for a long time so may or may not support the new Ivy Bridge CPUs. It was mostly just a testing program that I decided to share. If you are the guy that also sent me an email then read that first and be specific with your questions. Post a screen shot or two and then you can ask me what does that number mean if you don't understand what it is telling you. Put a load on your CPU and your multipliers should stabilize. ThrottleStop 5.00 has replaced i7 Turbo GT. You can find a time limited beta version here with initial Ivy Bridge support: http://www.techinferno.com/downloads/

Jul 13, 2012, 10:56 AM	#1003
kesawi Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Brisbane Posts: 2 (0.01/day) Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I haven't had any success in getting RealTemp to run at all. I've downloaded v3.70, unzipped it and have run it as administrator by right clicking and selecting run as administrator. I keep getting a window labelled Driver Error stating that Driver Not Found On Network. The WinRing0 libraries extracted to the same directory as RealTemp and I haven't touched anything. I haven't been able to find an answer through Google. I'm running Windows 7 64-Bit on an I7-3770K. Help greatly appreciated.

Jul 13, 2012, 04:04 PM	#1004
unclewebb RealTemp Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 903 (0.50/day) Thanks: 15 Thanked 394 Times in 271 Posts	kesawi: What anti virus program and/or anti spyware programs are you running? WinRing0 is a powerful library and some of these programs don't like it. I think Windows itself can flag a driver that fails to start and then any software like RealTemp that depends on WinRing0 will fail to run. I am using Windows 7 x64 and I can download RealTemp from TechPowerUp, unzip it to my desktop and it starts up fine. I can also unzip it to Program Files (x86) and it works OK there too. The difference is that I am using an account with full Administrator privileges. Unfortunately there isn't anything I can do to troubleshoot this issue for you. I didn't write WinRing0 and it is no longer available or being maintained, likely do to lack of financial support from the user community. Free software is free to use but it costs developers a lot of money to get a driver signed by Microsoft. I wrote another program called ThrottleStop that also uses the WinRing0 driver. You could try downloading version 5.00 which supports Ivy Bridge and unzip that and then see if that starts up for you or if that gets blocked too. ThrottleStop 5.00 http://www.techinferno.com/downloads/ If it starts, try dragging just RealTemp.exe into the ThrottleStop folder. Maybe you can trick your computer into letting this run.

Jul 13, 2012, 04:14 PM	#1005
kesawi Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Brisbane Posts: 2 (0.01/day) Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Unfortunately ThrottleStop doesn't run either. Brings up an error Could not open WinRing0.dll when I try to run it. I'm using Microsoft Security Essentials as my anti-virus and have tried to run both programs with it disabled.

Jul 13, 2012, 04:28 PM	#1006
unclewebb RealTemp Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 903 (0.50/day) Thanks: 15 Thanked 394 Times in 271 Posts	I know on a fresh install of Windows 7, if you have administrator privileges, RealTemp or ThrottleStop will start up fine. I use Avast antivirus. I guess you will have to try running Core Temp. http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/ It reads the same sensors as RealTemp does. I obviously prefer RealTemp but if all you want to know is the core temperature of your CPU, either program will do. You shouldn't have any WinRing issues with Core Temp.

Jul 19, 2012, 04:56 AM	#1009
plagasx Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1 (0.00/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello, I have downloaded Real Temp 3.70 and I have noticed that even when I have all my power saving features disabled Real Temp always lowers my CPU frequency back to stock whenever I overclock... No other temp monitoring program does this. I have an ivy bridge i5 3570k processor. What do I need to do to stop this? Thanks.

Jul 19, 2012, 05:55 AM	#1010
unclewebb RealTemp Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 903 (0.50/day) Thanks: 15 Thanked 394 Times in 271 Posts	plagasx: Is Disable Turbo selected in the Settings window? Make sure that box is cleared and then push OK to exit the Settings window.

Jul 20, 2012, 03:39 PM	#1011
ney2x Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 4 (0.01/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Any plan to make a sidebar gadget? I ask because Core Temp 1.0 RC3 together with Core Temp gadget is not accurate... I installed Intel Power Gadget 2.0 and only RealTemp 3.70 is giving me accurate Processor Power and Frequency, they have the same output. Thanks in advance.

Jul 21, 2012, 01:52 PM	#1012
gopal Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Patna, Bihar, India, Asia, Earth, Terron System, Milky way Galaxy, And Beyond Posts: 990 (2.98/day) Thanks: 240 Thanked 121 Times in 94 Posts System Specs	Intel P4 631 not supported! Can you add the support for it!

Jul 21, 2012, 03:03 PM	#1013
unclewebb RealTemp Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 903 (0.50/day) Thanks: 15 Thanked 394 Times in 271 Posts	ney2x: I never use the sidebar gadget so I don't intend to add one to RealTemp. gopal: RealTemp does not support the Intel P4 CPUs because they do not have individual core temperature sensors like the newer Core, Core 2 Duo and Core i processors have. I think HWiNFO can read the single CPU temperature sensor in the P4.

Jul 21, 2012, 03:07 PM	#1014
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Jul 23, 2012, 09:13 AM	#1017
puma99dk\| Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Denmark WTF xD Posts: 2,070 (0.73/day) Thanks: 240 Thanked 456 Times in 322 Posts System Specs	bim27142 if u r running Windows 7 Ultimate why do u still use UAC? i have disabled UAC and my own PC and on my dad's PC both with Windows 7 Ultimate, bcs i got tired of the "fadeout popup" after just a few hours of pre-testing of Windows Vista which wasn't good anyway. __________________ i5-2500k @ 4785mhz \| ECS P67H2-A

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Jul 23, 2012, 09:30 AM	#1020
bim27142 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Pilipinas! Posts: 405 (0.13/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts System Specs	^^ Good point... But my wife sometimes use my desktop as well, so I better leave it on as she might do "click and click" while browsing... __________________ CPU-Z validation sig pics temporarily blocked

Jul 23, 2012, 10:30 AM	#1022
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Aug 9, 2012, 11:31 AM	#1023
dioskey Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 2 (0.01/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	autoflag C1E Hi, i have an acer aspire 7738g notebook with modded bios and an intel QX9300 cpu inside. I've found usefull the C1E switch but i need to reset it at every restart. How can i tell to realtemp to auto activate it at each startup? Before you ask, there is no option about it in bios, even if it has all the menu unlocked. Thanks in advance!

Aug 9, 2012, 03:06 PM	#1024
unclewebb RealTemp Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 903 (0.50/day) Thanks: 15 Thanked 394 Times in 271 Posts	If you have a QX9300, check out: ThrottleStop 5.00 http://www.techinferno.com/downloads/ With ThrottleStop you can unlock the CPU multiplier and get your QX9300 running significantly faster as well as play with C1E. This post will show you how to add ThrottleStop or RealTemp to your start up sequence using the Task Scheduler. http://forum.notebookreview.com/hard...ml#post6865107 You can also copy a link to either of these programs into your Startup folder. Click on the Windows Start logo and then click on All Programs and you should be able to find your Startup folder.

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