8120 stock at 39idle 60load

[lordjohn]

since 8120 are so cheap, I made a bad decision to order a combo with 8120 and 990fx gd65, cost me 260usd.

8120 is not very fast compare to my old i3 2100
but it is crazy hot!!!!!

room temp around 27c

8120 stock speed, turbo core off, 200x15.5=3100mhz, vcore 1.30
COOLing: cool master s400, sliver 7 pasta
idle temp at 38-40c
skype and some web browsing 45-50c
gaming bf3 for 2mins 62c
above are all cpu socket temp

the core temp is crazy low, idle at 17c, max at 47c

ram 16gb, 1600, 4x4gb
gf460 1gb
enhance 600w single 12v
3 case fans

The shop offers no return, but can change for new ones
what should I do?

For monitoring temp, I used HWCPUID, CPUIDPRO, SPEEDFAN, MSI control center, core temp.

Thanks for any suggestions

[lindy]

If you're using the stock heatsink ditch it for something better. If you want to air cool be careful. Finding a heatsink that can deal with 125w TDP can be a challenge. If you want to overclock liquid is the way to go IMHO. Even one of the sealed loop units from Corsair, Antec, ect. will do fine. At one point I had a Cooler Master Hyper 212 evo on my 8150, but it just couldn't handle the watts, swapped it out for a Antec Kuhler 620 and have been happy with my temps.

[Mathragh]

First of all, what do you mean by not very fast? Also, if you turn off Turbo core you're missing a big chunk of performance, since it can increase the clocks by about 30% under normal usage.

Secondly, it sounds like either bad airflow in your case, or badly applied thermal paste. I'm running my 8120 overclocked and my daily use temperatures dont even come close to yours.

On a side note: According to AMD, the core sensors only display the correct temps at 45 degrees C and above. Furthermore they suggest the max temp for the 8120 to be 61C on the core, so you can ignore the socket temps if the core temp stays under 61C.


I would suggest you re-do your cooling for lower temperatures, and either turn turbo back on, since it will improve single threaded workloads by over 30%, or overclock the whole processor to atleast 4,2GHz without turbo(should be doable at not much a voltage increase if your temps are OK ie stay under 61 on the cores).

[lordjohn]

Originally Posted by Mathragh

First of all, what do you mean by not very fast? Also, if you turn off Turbo core you're missing a big chunk of performance, since it can increase the clocks by about 30% under normal usage.

Secondly, it sounds like either bad airflow in your case, or badly applied thermal paste. I'm running my 8120 overclocked and my daily use temperatures dont even come close to yours.

On a side note: According to AMD, the core sensors only display the correct temps at 45 degrees C and above. Furthermore they suggest the max temp for the 8120 to be 61C on the core, so you can ignore the socket temps if the core temp stays under 61C.


I would suggest you re-do your cooling for lower temperatures, and either turn turbo back on, since it will improve single threaded workloads by over 30%, or overclock the whole processor to atleast 4,2GHz without turbo(should be doable at not much a voltage increase if your temps are OK ie stay under 61 on the cores).

thanks
I been google a lot about the 8120 hot problems, some one says the core temps can not be trusted, since it is really low, lower than room temp, 17c - 47c.
How can I know the core temp is correct?
I will redo the cooling.
What are your temps, socket temps?

I turn off the turbo because I set the vcore at 1.3, the auto setting in bios will drive my vcore to 1.45 when turbo to 4.0ghz,

[lordjohn]

Originally Posted by lindy

If you're using the stock heatsink ditch it for something better. If you want to air cool be careful. Finding a heatsink that can deal with 125w TDP can be a challenge. If you want to overclock liquid is the way to go IMHO. Even one of the sealed loop units from Corsair, Antec, ect. will do fine. At one point I had a Cooler Master Hyper 212 evo on my 8150, but it just couldn't handle the watts, swapped it out for a Antec Kuhler 620 and have been happy with my temps.

Thanks

I used a cooler master s400, 4 heat pipes, What are your temps, socket temps?

[Mathragh]

Originally Posted by lordjohn

thanks
I been google a lot about the 8120 hot problems, some one says the core temps can not be trusted, since it is really low, lower than room temp, 17c - 47c.
How can I know the core temp is correct?
I will redo the cooling.
What are your temps, socket temps?

I turn off the turbo because I set the vcore at 1.3, the auto setting in bios will drive my vcore to 1.45 when turbo to 4.0ghz,

my socket temp is at around 30 at idle, core temps are 12(but not accurate, since they're not at 45 or above)

Loads temps are during gaming, load while running things like prime95 or linpack can get load temps to about 60-65 on socket, and 55 on core
load temps are at around 35-45 at core lvl, and 45-55 at socket lvl.

[pantherx12]

Your temperatures are fine, you only need to pay attention to the core temperatures on FX chips.

So long as your max is under 55 ( 62 c is where the processor will start being jippy)

The idle temps on the core are off by 15 degrees by the by but the sensor becomes accurate around 45c.

[lindy]

Originally Posted by lordjohn

Thanks

I used a cooler master s400, 4 heat pipes, What are your temps, socket temps?

Depending on the ambient room temp. my core temps are in the low to mid 20's (C), and at load they run in the low to mid 50's (C) OC'd at 4.0GHZ. I have gone higher, but my 24/7 clock is 4.0GHz. With a custom loop I think I could go a bit higher.

It's the core temps. that you need to be concerned with. My socket temps generally run around 10deg. higher. The sensor doesn't report accurately below 40 deg. (C), But above that it's fine.

[lordjohn]

Originally Posted by Mathragh

my socket temp is at around 30 at idle, core temps are 12(but not accurate, since they're not at 45 or above)

Loads temps are during gaming, load while running things like prime95 or linpack can get load temps to about 60-65 on socket, and 55 on core
load temps are at around 35-45 at core lvl, and 45-55 at socket lvl.

Thanks, so I only need to concern about the core temp, what happen if the socket temp become really hot, since I stopped the OCCT when I saw the socket temp reach 60c. should I just let it run? and see if the temp go to 70c on socket or not?

I am not sure the msi has any over heat protection? since I can not find it in UEFI bios.
not happy with the msi UEFI bios, like a toy and many thing are with in each-other and has NO explanation at all. standard version bios usually have some explanation on the right-side.

[lordjohn]

Originally Posted by lindy

Depending on the ambient room temp. my core temps are in the low to mid 20's (C), and at load they run in the low to mid 50's (C) OC'd at 4.0GHZ. I have gone higher, but my 24/7 clock is 4.0GHz. With a custom loop I think I could go a bit higher.

It's the core temps. that you need to be concerned with. My socket temps generally run around 10deg. higher. The sensor doesn't report accurately below 40 deg. (C), But above that it's fine.

I have a asetek 90 but currently set on a i7 960, I will put asetek 90 on this 8120 later. With your tests, was you temp very high when using cooler master aircool? if consider not OC, Thanks

[OneMoar]

make sure its not setting the voltage to something retarded
should be 1.25-1.38v for stock settings(lower if you have a good chip) make sure the bios isnt being retarded and trying to push 1.4250v though it

[lordjohn]

Originally Posted by OneMoar

make sure its not setting the voltage to something retarded
should be 1.25-1.38v for stock settings(lower if you have a good chip) make sure the bios isnt being retarded and trying to push 1.4250v though it

I set it at 1.30
the bios is bad, msi uefi bios, like a toy, can use mouse, clicking around, auto vcore, can go to 1.45, what does msi think???? try to set it to 1.2 ok on fsb190, but when i reset by clear bios, the fsb is now 200, can not change, 1.2 will give blue screen, so i set it to 1.3. I still wonder why i can not change fsb in uefi bios, don't like this bios,

[Daimus]

Originally Posted by lordjohn

I am not sure the msi has any over heat protection? since I can not find it in UEFI bios.
not happy with the msi UEFI bios, like a toy and many thing are with in each-other and has NO explanation at all. standard version bios usually have some explanation on the right-side.

I had issues with UEFI BIOS. It likes to set high voltage. Make sure that Load Line Calibration is set to off (0% calibration) or half (50%).

[Mathragh]

If you turn on turbo, its perfectly normal that the bios is setting the voltages that high. Its working as intended, since the voltage only gets that high while some cores get boosted up. This doesnt mean that the cores nééd that voltage to get to those clocks, but its basically the same story as giving say 1,3Volts for stock clocks while it could potentially do with 1,25 volts aswell.

Its also only upping the voltage to turbo if there is thermal room there to do so. If you're worried that the motherboard fries the CPU by putting too much voltage trough it, don't be. It will only put that voltage there to reach the turbo speeds on a couple of cores, and only when thermal and power constraints allow it.

That said, I also experienced the bios randomly setting my voltage way too high, (happened to me twice, without turbo on). Those werent really related to anything it seemed though, and it restored itself after a reboot.

[lordjohn]

Originally Posted by Daimus

I had issues with UEFI BIOS. It likes to set high voltage. Make sure that Load Line Calibration is set to off (0% calibration) or half (50%).

How do I change the bus speed in this uefi bios? when I click fsb, it only shows 200, and before I cleared the bios by pushing the clear bios button, it was 190, no other choice, dislike uefi bios.

[Mathragh]

Originally Posted by lordjohn

How do I change the bus speed in this uefi bios? when I click fsb, it only shows 200, and before I cleared the bios by pushing the clear bios button, it was 190, no other choice, dislike uefi bios.

you might need to set something from "Auto" to "Manual" in order to unlock the FSB.

[lordjohn]

Originally Posted by Mathragh

If you turn on turbo, its perfectly normal that the bios is setting the voltages that high. Its working as intended, since the voltage only gets that high while some cores get boosted up. This doesnt mean that the cores nééd that voltage to get to those clocks, but its basically the same story as giving say 1,3Volts for stock clocks while it could potentially do with 1,25 volts aswell.

Its also only upping the voltage to turbo if there is thermal room there to do so. If you're worried that the motherboard fries the CPU by putting too much voltage trough it, don't be. It will only put that voltage there to reach the turbo speeds on a couple of cores, and only when thermal and power constraints allow it.

That said, I also experienced the bios randomly setting my voltage way too high, (happened to me twice, without turbo on). Those werent really related to anything it seemed though, and it restored itself after a reboot.

thanks, should I put the asetek 90mm 545 on the 8120 or should I keep trying with the cooler master s400. or may that be the main board sensor is not correct, when cpu socket in 57c, the heat sink feels not that hot, just warm.
I take out the heatsink and tested it by using a hairdryer, when the heatpipe is at 45c, the heat sink is at 44.5c, but it feels hot not warm.

[Mathragh]

I would say get the best cooling possible. These FX chips are really sensitive to heat. A chip can be totally stable at 50C and act all weird at 60.

[lindy]

Originally Posted by lordjohn

I have a asetek 90 but currently set on a i7 960, I will put asetek 90 on this 8120 later. With your tests, was you temp very high when using cooler master aircool? if consider not OC, Thanks

When I had the Cooler Master Hyper 212 evo on my 8150 I was having to under volt the cpu and drop the multiplier to keep it from frying to a crisp.

[Mathragh]

Originally Posted by lindy

When I had the Cooler Master Hyper 212 evo on my 8150 I was having to under volt the cpu and drop the multiplier to keep it from frying to a crisp.

This sounds a bit illogical to me as the FX-8150 should also function with the stock cooler that normally comes with the chip(which would most certainly perform worse than the Cooler Master Hyper 212 evo you have).

[Frick]

Originally Posted by lindy

When I had the Cooler Master Hyper 212 evo on my 8150 I was having to under volt the cpu and drop the multiplier to keep it from frying to a crisp.

Thermalpaste applied properly?

[lindy]

Originally Posted by Mathragh

This sounds a bit illogical to me as the FX-8150 should also function with the stock cooler that normally comes with the chip(which would most certainly perform worse than the Cooler Master Hyper 212 evo you have).

Well Initially it had me in a quandary until I pulled out the engineers square and checked the bases of my heatsinks. The Cooler Master was okay, but the OEM heatsink was warped. I then tried the 212evo with a different cpu (a 95W Athlon II x3), and it preformed just fine at normal settings for the chip. I was able to lap the OEM heatsink somewhere near true, and it was able to keep the 8150 in spec temps. at normal settings if not loudly. Really the only conclusion I was left with was that the evo couldn't handle the watts of the 8150. I've since moved to an Antec Kuhler 620 which allows me to do some overclocking.

[lindy]

Originally Posted by Frick

Thermalpaste applied properly?

Yup, I even tried some different brands as well. But I was able to get the situation sorted out.

[lordjohn]

Originally Posted by lindy

Well Initially it had me in a quandary until I pulled out the engineers square and checked the bases of my heatsinks. The Cooler Master was okay, but the OEM heatsink was warped. I then tried the 212evo with a different cpu (a 95W Athlon II x3), and it preformed just fine at normal settings for the chip. I was able to lap the OEM heatsink somewhere near true, and it was able to keep the 8150 in spec temps. at normal settings if not loudly. Really the only conclusion I was left with was that the evo couldn't handle the watts of the 8150. I've since moved to an Antec Kuhler 620 which allows me to do some overclocking.

I checked my cooler master with a hairdryer, when the base temp and the heatpipe temp are at 45, the top part of the heat sink is at 44, so the heat sink is working, but the 90mm fan is not that fast as the stock cooler, max speed at 1800rmp, I think before i took out the water cool from i7, i will test 8120 with 2 fans for this cooler master

it there any possible that mainboard sensor is not correct? since 57c at socket temp, the heatsink is just warm not hot.

[lindy]

Originally Posted by lordjohn

I checked my cooler master with a hairdryer, when the base temp and the heatpipe temp are at 45, the top part of the heat sink is at 44, so the heat sink is working, but the 90mm fan is not that fast as the stock cooler, max speed at 1800rmp, I think before i took out the water cool from i7, i will test 8120 with 2 fans for this cooler master

it there any possible that mainboard sensor is not correct? since 57c at socket temp, the heatsink is just warm not hot.

Well a hairdryer isn't a cpu, so I don't know how well your results are going to translate, and I'm no real expert on the subject anyway. For all I know your Cooler Master heatsink will be just fine. Keep in mind however that the FX cpu's are hotplates, and as Mathragh has said they can get a bit twitchy over 60deg.C . As for temps with the FX chips, it's the core temps from the cpu that you want to be concerned with, not the socket temps from the motherboard. The socket temps can run 10 to 15deg.C higher than the core temps, and the cpu sensor itself doesn't read accurately below 40deg.C so your idle temps are going to be meaningless.