Radeon HD 7990 Further Delayed

[btarunr]

Troubles don't seem to end for AMD's Radeon HD 7990 dual-GPU graphics card, with sources indicating that AMD has no new product launches till late-August. Sections of the press reported that the HD 7990 could be released some time this month. A couple of factors could be behind the delay. For starters, there have been reports of shortage of PEX8747 PCIe bridge chips by PLX, which is at the heart of dual-GPU graphics cards, including the GeForce GTX 690. Another factor could relate to how AMD plans to achieve competitive price-performance and performance-Watt ratios for the HD 7990. Meanwhile, launches of NVIDIA's mid-range GeForce GTX 660 Ti and GTS 650 are reportedly closing in.



Source: VR-Zone Chinese

[DanTheMan]

Here lately for AMD when it rains it pours: slow forcast, exec leaving, product delays
Come on AMD pull those rabbits out of the hat and kick some butt

[mtosev]

hmm AMD has a lot of problems competing with nvidia lately. when they launch the hd 7990 i'm betting that the card will be slower than nvidia's gtx690

[dinmaster]

maybe thats why those people are leaving. instead of a john carter movie coming out and people leaving the big company that made it, they know it sucks before it comes out and heads are getting chopped.

[afw]

Originally Posted by mtosev

hmm AMD has a lot of problems competing with nvidia lately. when they launch the hd 7990 i'm betting that the card will be slower than nvidia's gtx690

The main reason for the delay is to ensure its faster than gtx690 i think ...

But whether its released now or next month really doesnt matter much ... cos it'll probably cost an arm and leg ... and only a few will buy it ... Its all abt reclaiming the performance crown from nVidia ...

[FYFI13]

Originally Posted by mtosev

hmm AMD has a lot of problems competing with nvidia lately. when they launch the hd 7990 i'm betting that the card will be slower than nvidia's gtx690

My guess:

Performance: GTX690 > HD7990
Power consumption: HD7990 > GTX690
Price: HD7990 = GTX690
What people actually buy: GTX660Ti - GTX670

[naoan]

Most people don't actually care about this card and most enthusiasts care enough are probably already having blast with their GTX690 for months. So yeah.

[LAN_deRf_HA]

Nvidia pulled a rabbit out of their hat with the 690. As fast as 680's in sli while maintaining very reasonable power consumption all in a high quality package.

This leaves AMD in an uncomfortable position. They know they need more clockspeed, more power consumption to match a single 680, but this doesn't work well in a dual gpu card. Whatever the power difference is between the 680 and 7970 GHz it would be even greater, and that's just to match their performance. More power, more heat, more noise. And that's just the spec side. I doubt they were prepared to match the 690s quality cooler either. One way or another it will be a second class product with second class pricing.... and second class looks pretty shitty on a flagship product.

[THE_EGG]

Hmm interesting. Heres hoping that AMD can still compete with Nvidia to keep prices in control.

Also, why does the picture showcase a FirePro card (unless this particular one is related to the 7990)?

[phanbuey]

Originally Posted by naoan

Most people don't actually care about this card and most enthusiasts care enough are probably already having blast with their GTX690 for months. So yeah.

It is not so much that as it is the technical display. No dual GPU from AMD means either drivers or power envelope/ GPU design are not efficient enough to come out with a better dual GPU product than the competition.

[marsey99]

i fear for amd, and us as a knock on, as they are finding it hard in the cpu sector and the gpu arm was keeping them afloat but this gen has seen them lose their edge and if nv do to them what intel are doing to the cpu side its all over for use as consumers hoping for price wars and bargain buys

[Samskip]

Originally Posted by FYFI13

My guess:

Performance: GTX690 > HD7990
Power consumption: HD7990 > GTX690
Price: HD7990 = GTX690
What people actually buy: GTX660Ti - GTX670

Hahahaha.... exactly

[radrok]

Originally Posted by LAN_deRf_HA

Nvidia pulled a rabbit out of their hat with the 690. As fast as 680's in sli while maintaining very reasonable power consumption all in a high quality package.

This leaves AMD in an uncomfortable position. They know they need more clockspeed, more power consumption to match a single 680, but this doesn't work well in a dual gpu card. Whatever the power difference is between the 680 and 7970 GHz it would be even greater, and that's just to match their performance. More power, more heat, more noise. And that's just the spec side. I doubt they were prepared to match the 690s quality cooler either. One way or another it will be a second class product with second class pricing.... and second class looks pretty shitty on a flagship product.

I agree with you on many points but the GTX 690 has one fatal weakness that hinders it, VRAM, if it had atleast 4GB per GPU I'd already have bought one, clearly some will say that 2GB is fine at 1080p and I agree but you don't buy a dual Kepler GPU to play at 1080p.
It would have been the perfect dual GPU, spot on amount of VRAM, performance, noise and power consumption.

Originally Posted by marsey99

i fear for amd, and us as a knock on, as they are finding it hard in the cpu sector and the gpu arm was keeping them afloat but this gen has seen them lose their edge and if nv do to them what intel are doing to the cpu side its all over for use as consumers hoping for price wars and bargain buys

I disagree on the GPU part, AMD is very competitive right now, especially on the midrange where Nvidia is yet to be seen.

[Prima.Vera]

This 7xxx was a disaster series for AMD, even worst than 2xxx or 3xxx. Time to bring the 8xxx series with at least 60% more performance than the current crap generation.

[sanadanosa]

so that means HD8000 will be delayed too?

[Casecutter]

Originally Posted by Prima.Vera

This 7xxx was a disaster series for AMD, even worst than 2xxx or 3xxx. Time to bring the 8xxx series with at least 60% more performance than the current crap generation.

You mean AMD has products from $100-500 and Nvidia has two at $400 and $500 respectively. Oh yea and the GT640 $110 that basically not as good as 6670 that showed back 18 months ago with DDR5 and was less than $100.

Me I'd rather be late with a Halo (bragging rights product that will be on par in performance and $200 less... and hardly add to the bottom line) than have the competition own the $130-350 range uncontested, for what's like 7-8 months! AMD will have new 8XXX parts ready 3 months after GK106 starts to make strides.

It's not any disaster for AMD.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by dinmaster

maybe thats why those people are leaving. instead of a john carter movie coming out and people leaving the big company that made it, they know it sucks before it comes out and heads are getting chopped.

Dunno why everyone hates John Carter. I liked that movie. The chick was SUPER hot.

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by FYFI13

My guess:

Performance: GTX690 > HD7990
Power consumption: HD7990 > GTX690
Price: HD7990 = GTX690
What people actually buy: GTX660Ti - GTX670

I do not understand your logic here. If GTX680/670 are more efficient then 7970/7950s by close to 50w and the GTX690 is 2 680s on one PCB which is what the 7990 will most likely be is 2 7970s, then I do not see how the HD7990 will be better in terms of power consumption.

[radrok]

I think he used > to indicate more power consumption, not to indicate better aka less power consumption.

[okidna]

Originally Posted by Casecutter

You mean AMD has products from $100-500 and Nvidia has two at $400 and $500 respectively. Oh yea and the GT640 $110 that basically not as good as 6670 that showed back 18 months ago with DDR5 and was less than $100.

Me I'd rather be late with a Halo (bragging rights product that will be on par in performance and $200 less... and hardly add to the bottom line) than have the competition own the $130-350 range uncontested, for what's like 7-8 months! AMD will have new 8XXX parts ready 3 months after GK106 starts to make strides.

It's not any disaster for AMD.

Yeah, not a disaster at all.

Actually, today is a big day for AMD. They managed to achieve lowest stock price in 1 year calendar :



A delayed flagship product, a couple of crucial staff gone (John Bruno to Apple, Bob Feldstein to NVIDIA, Ben Williams to Calxeda Inc.), lowest stock price in 1 year? Not a disaster at all. They'll bounce back stronger!

Go AMD!

[Widjaja]

I predict it will be a little bit slower in benchmarks and be a bit stuttery in games.

[m1dg3t]

Theres definately changes goin down @ AMD, uncertainty causes low stocks, even if business is good. You would know that by looking at current global market trends

I think ATi is sandbagging with the 7990. Which doesnt bother me because they have again provided me with excellent performance/$$$.

[Casecutter]

How about this… Such a delay or the speculation (that's what it is) could be nothing more than a smoke screen to have it ready and "available on shelves" when Nvidia hits with GK106 parts as a way of muscling in on some review time. AMD not about to let Nvidia waltz in late and have reviews abound.

In the real world this speculation of some exorbitant flagship which in real terms has nothing to do with profit streams is stupid. At least unless you think today is a good day to unload your stock… “stupid is as stupid does”.

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by m1dg3t

Theres definately changes goin down @ AMD, uncertainty causes low stocks, even if business is good. You would know that by looking at current global market trends

I think ATi is sandbagging with the 7990. Which doesnt bother me because they have again provided me with excellent performance/$$$.

This has been AMDs worst generation in terms of price to performance Ratios.

[okidna]

Originally Posted by Casecutter

How about this… Such a delay or the speculation (that's what it is) could be nothing more than a smoke screen to have it ready and "available on shelves" when Nvidia hits with GK106 parts as a way of muscling in on some review time. AMD not about to let Nvidia waltz in late and have reviews abound.

IMO, they need to make sure that 7970 Ghz Edition are "available on shelves" first before thinking about 7990 as a "smoke screen".