GeForce GTX 660 Ti Specifications and Launch Date Released

[Benetanegia]

Originally Posted by Casecutter

Not to get into the whole Steam argument, just try to wrap my mind around those numbers. So if such percentages are representative of the 40 million Steam that would mean:
.70% of 40 million = 28,000 while .58% = 23,200 or a total of 51,200 unit (670/680) just to those on Steam. So let's say April, May, June Nvidia has sold 17,066 to just the steam community each of those months?

Nvidia own chart provide about end of April showed shows they delivered about 4,200 units of the GTX580 first couple of weeks of that release. They show they had delivered 60% more 680's units to their AIB’s than they had 580's. Basically their chart shows that by early May they were close to delivering a total of 7000 units globally to AIB's. That not onto actual users hand it take 4-6 week to take a chip get on the card box and get them into the channel.

Those numbers are way too far apart?

I have not seen that chart unless... The only chart that compared GTX580 and 680 sales didn't have any numbers on it. Looking at that one, I think it's the same and I suspect you are counting each line as 1000 units, because it fits with what you're saying. Each line could represent dozens or hundreds of thousands of units shipped, we do not know. I'm pretty sure that they sell quite a few more cards than a few thousands globally. Global graphics sales each quarter are counted in dozens of millions. Look at the chart posted by humansmoke 578k $300+ cards were sold by Nvidia in Q2 2011.

And 2 things on Steam survey:

1- Those percentages are for DX11 cards, which themselves represent a 46% of total cards. Cut your numbers in half.

2- Sales rates have grown each weak/month (as shown by the comparison chart too). The first month (April) they sold far less than the last month (June).

EDIT: And HumonSmoke's chart alone pretty much demostrates why they are not releasing $200-$300 cards, and released only high-end and low end instead.

[Casecutter]

Yes that graph,
http://www.techpowerup.com/166943/Ge...ss-NVIDIA.html

Figured you say that, it was fairly well documented the Nvidia released the GTX 680 on March 22 with somewhere between 1,000 and 1,200 reference units with stickers, right where the line starts. So you think that might be 10K units and saying they provided 70K to AIB's in 6 weeks...

[Benetanegia]

Originally Posted by Casecutter

Yes that graph,
http://www.techpowerup.com/166943/Ge...ss-NVIDIA.html

Figured you say that, it was fairly well documented the Nvidia released the GTX 680 on March 22 with somewhere between 1,000 and 1,200 reference units with stickers, right where the line starts. So you think that might be 10K units and saying they provided 70K to AIB's in 6 weeks...

I'd like to see that documentation, 1000 cards worldwide is ridiculous. On App alone which is only one of the various etailers in Spain, I counted 5 brands and each had 10-20 cards. That makes 50-100 cards in just one etailer in Spain. It's not the biggest. Alternate Spain had many more different brands and models. And there's at least 3 other retailers/etailer which are just as big as the mentioned which had several models. In total I can easily come up with 500 cards, and this is only on launch day and not counting small stores in my city (5th by populaion), let alone other cities, which did get some cards after a few weeks. Unless you are pretending to tell me that Spain got half of the total cards, you better explain how it's posible. Show that documentation you speak about, I suspect it does not exist or comes from Semiaccurate, like all the oter times before.

And then there's the chart posted by Humansmoke of course. They ship hundreds of thousands of $300+ cards each quarter, 578k in the chart. 28nm supply being limited and the 580 vs 680 only showing evolution for half a quarter it's understandable that only a small number like 70k cards were shipped in that timeframe and will probably ammount to 200k by the end of the quarter, or not. Of course that number will grow to the normal 500-600k number in subsequent quarters.

[HumanSmoke]

Originally Posted by Casecutter

Yes that graph,
http://www.techpowerup.com/166943/Ge...ss-NVIDIA.html

Figured you say that, it was fairly well documented the Nvidia released the GTX 680 on March 22 with somewhere between 1,000 and 1,200 reference units with stickers, right where the line starts. So you think that might be 10K units and saying they provided 70K to AIB's in 6 weeks...

Not sure what to make of that marketing slide. I see Steam has revoked it's numbers prior to the last couple of months ( the survey reporting bug) - but, for the 6 weeks depicted in the graph would only take you up to the first week of May...and as I seem to recall, there was a general hue and cry regarding zero card availability during that time frame.
Now, according to forum posts ( couldn't find any Steam HW survey results cached) GTX 680 (DX11) share was 0.04% (March), 0.22%*(April), 0.50% (May), 0.66% (June)- which would indicate to me that sales/usage jumped substantially AFTER the timeframe in the graph - assuming that the graph is plotting retail sales and not revenue shipments to AIB's, since widespread availability of (r)etail GTX 680's continuously in stock for all AIB's seemed apparent in early June.

Either way, like RMA numbers, I think we'll be left with an incomplete picture of sales and it's always going to be an estimation. I wouldnt put it past any hardware vendor to add more than a little misinformation to muddy the details.

*See Benetanegia's post here and a post I made at TS (post #24) a few months back for reference

[Casecutter]

Originally Posted by Benetanegia

I'd like to see that documentation, 1000 cards worldwide is ridiculous

No more than the 17K a month in just recorded by the Steam community.

It's good to see someone has such a robust estimation of the worldwide economic picture. Or to think that in some of the worst economic times (Nov 2010 when the GTX 580 released) that 6 weeks later some 30,000 buyers had discretionary income worldwide to purchase an enthusiast level gaming card for $500.

You and I don’t have any inkling of such numbers. You seem visibly exuberate, while I might be noticeably pessimistic. I’m sure the number is somewhere in between. In good times enthusiast gaming cards are considered adequate if >10K at launch, and in those time I’ve never seen anything like "zilch" inventory occurring. Even the very well received 5870 at $380 never had anything like the shortages of the GTX680. I’m not saying sales where energetic and demand strong, but I’m of the belief Nvidia didn’t have near a customary amount for launch. You have your opinion.

[Casecutter]

Originally Posted by HumanSmoke

0.22%*(April),

So of 40 million users, some 88,000 had a GTX680? The slide was said to indicate deliveries to AIB's and we don't know if it included mobile parts

[HumanSmoke]

If it's deliveries to AIB's/OEM's then it bears no relevance to the retail channel, since most AIB's would hold back a percentage of GPU's based on binning- stockpiling GPU's for voltage/core speed, since factory OC models aren't far behind reference with Nvidia based cards. OEM's would also build inventory before releasing a new model range.

As for the 0.22% - as far as I'm concerned, I'm comparing Steam percentage-to-Steam percentage. Pointless working on an arbitrary 40m Steam users since a lot of people have numerous accounts -esp those who buy A-list titles at top dollar. I have over a dozen current Steam accounts simply so that when I'm finished with the game, I can sell the account while the game is still relatively current and recoup some of my investment- I seldom revisit and replay games once I've clocked them in every way possible.
So as far as I'm concerned- as my posting would indicate- I'm comparing the percentage of one card against percentages of (an)other card(s) using the same Steam figures, collected using the same metric. So if GTX 680 percentages aren't correct by the same reasoning neither are any of the others (The margin of error/ collating method should be identical across GPU's)...in which case you then fall back on market research numbers (as I do) or guesswork from random internet posters.

[Benetanegia]

Originally Posted by Casecutter

No more than the 17K a month in just recorded by the Steam community.

It's good to see someone has such a robust estimation of the worldwide economic picture. Or to think that in some of the worst economic times (Nov 2010 when the GTX 580 released) that 6 weeks later some 30,000 buyers had discretionary income worldwide to purchase an enthusiast level gaming card for $500.

You and I don’t have any inkling of such numbers. You seem visibly exuberate, while I might be noticeably pessimistic. I’m sure the number is somewhere in between. In good times enthusiast gaming cards are considered adequate if >10K at launch, and in those time I’ve never seen anything like "zilch" inventory occurring. Even the very well received 5870 at $380 never had anything like the shortages of the GTX680. I’m not saying sales where energetic and demand strong, but I’m of the belief Nvidia didn’t have near a customary amount for launch. You have your opinion.

http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases...-2010jan7.aspx

Fifteen weeks ago we introduced the ATI Radeon™ HD 5800 series graphics cards to the world, the first to support DirectX® 11 and powerful capabilities like ATI Eyefinity multi-display technology, with support for Direct Compute 11. Over the course of the last few months, we've shipped tens of thousands of DirectX® 11-capable graphics processors a week to technology partners who in turn put them into consumers' hands.

AMD talking about tens (plural) of thousands of cards a week. 70k in 6 weeks for GTX680 is a little more than 1 ten thousand, and not tens of thousands. Are you going to be stubborn and/or naive enough to believe that Nvidia can't match or outdo AMD at selling high-end cards? Come on.

And there was shortage of HD5800 cards back then, maybe not as pronounced as with GTX680, but despite selling tens of thousands of them, they were short of them. Same with GTX600 series, they are shipping lots of them but demand is higher than TSMC can produce. GTX680 has been received as well if not better than the HD5870.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/graphic...ipped_ATI.html

1 Quarter 800k cards shipped, ranging from HD5750 to 5970, meaning that low-end was not taken into account. So by the chart that HumanSmoke posted earlier we ca exclude 60%+ and make a new splitting of cards counting only cards of $100 and above. I case of AMD that is 34.3 + 6.4 + 3.3 = 44, of which 3.3% or 800k/44 x 3.3 == 60k would be HD5800 cards, BUT and it's a really big but, those calculations are simply an experiment and utterly stupid, because HD5700 had not been enough in sale (released in Oct/Nov) so as to reach those percentages (Nvidia side shows much better $300+ percentages too it all adds up). HD5800 definitely sold a much larger share of those 800k cards, 60k is just an estimation for the absolute minimum, if we take Nvidia's split we would end up with over 144k.

[Crap Daddy]

Back to the thread fresh leak:



“GK104 325-A2″ 120W, 980MHz/1023MHz Boost
Is it real?

[HumanSmoke]

@Benetanega

Sorry, but as a new convert to the Circular Logic Club, I have to take issue with the AMD portion of your post

> Steam Hardware Survey has no merit
> People who use Steams figures as a measure of HW/SW usage are basing their PoV on meritless data
> AMD use Steam HW Survey figures

[/sarcasm]

[Hilux SSRG]

Originally Posted by Crap Daddy

Back to the thread fresh leak:

http://www.overclock.net/content/typ...00/height/1000

“GK104 325-A2″ 120W, 980MHz/1023MHz Boost
Is it real?

Evga make some nice looking cards, I must say!

If it truly is $300.00 then nvidia has won this generation cycle!

[Xzibit]

Originally Posted by Crap Daddy

Back to the thread fresh leak:

http://www.overclock.net/content/typ...00/height/1000

“GK104 325-A2″ 120W, 980MHz/1023MHz Boost
Is it real?

It looks like it still has the plastic wrapper on the blower but you cant make out a bus or I/O shield

Maybe its just a reprinted blower cover ?

Look in the background and you see a blower fan taken apart upside down

Originally Posted by HumanSmoke

@Benetanega

Sorry, but as a new convert to the Circular Logic Club, I have to take issue with the AMD portion of your post

> Steam Hardware Survey has no merit
> People who use Steams figures as a measure of HW/SW usage are basing their PoV on meritless data
> AMD use Steam HW Survey figures

[/sarcasm]

I dont think AMD and Ben are using SHWS in the same way.

AMD is using SHWS as a up-date driver and not taking their # or % from SHWS. I'm pretty sure AMD/Nvidia or any company for that matter keep track of units sold internally. They dont need a Survey to tell them that. Using it more of a extention/addition to what Microsoft Windows Update does. Quick lets go look at MWU figures i'm sure they would be more accurate...

Anyways sorry to chime in, Carry on.

[Crap Daddy]

Another two pictures. It looks like the production line:

[renz496]

Originally Posted by Crap Daddy

Back to the thread fresh leak:

http://www.overclock.net/content/typ...00/height/1000

“GK104 325-A2″ 120W, 980MHz/1023MHz Boost
Is it real?

early rumour suggested 150w for the Ti version but if the nvidia can really tweak the card to consume only that much that's even better. most likely people with 400w psu will be able to run the card. even better people who want to SLI the card doesn't need to break the bank to get kilowatt to run those cards

btw since the card was almost equal to GTX670 i wonder if we can go tri-way SLI with this card

[Nihilus]

Lots of excitement for this card. For good reason! It's about time NVidia gets into the mid-range. Doubt it will be less than $350 since it is specd' so close to the 670. Also, the 560ti launched at $350 if I remember correct. On the other hand, it was pretty suprising how they undercut there 680 with the 670 by $100. Should the 660 ti launch at $300, ATI would be wise to release a 1.5 GB 7950 to compete.

[Xzibit]

Originally Posted by Nihilus

Lots of excitement for this card. For good reason! It's about time NVidia gets into the mid-range. Doubt it will be less than $350 since it is specd' so close to the 670. Also, the 560ti launched at $350 if I remember correct. On the other hand, it was pretty suprising how they undercut there 680 with the 670 by $100. Should the 660 ti launch at $300, ATI would be wise to release a 1.5 GB 7950 to compete.

Nvidia Launched date MSRP.

500 series
545 - $109
550 Ti - $149
560 - $199
560 Ti - $249
560 Ti 448 - $289
570 - $349
580 - $499
590 - $699

600 series
640 - $99
670 - $399
680 - $499
690 - $999 $300 differance from last gen. I bet the glowing emblem also laughs

Nvidia still has atleast 2 cards to release x50 & x60.

[Nihilus]

Originally Posted by Xzibit

Nvidia Launched date MSRP.

I bet the glowing emblem also laughs at you ?

Nvidia still has atleast 2 cards to release x50 & x60.

I don't know what this is

[Xzibit]

Originally Posted by Nihilus

I don't know what this is

You said you didnt remember the 560 Ti launch price. So just posted all the prices for comparison.

It seams Nvidia has a $200 window to launch the cards. We know at the minimal 2 are coming 650 & 660 plus the 660 Ti which makes 3. The 660 Ti could be as low as $249 or as high as $349. It all depends on how many varients they want to release of the x50 & x60 to fill in that $200 window.

400 series they had 6
450
460 SE
460 (768)
460 (1GB)
460 v2
465

500 series they had 4
550 Ti
560
560 Ti
560 Ti 448

I would prefer it to be $249 because at $349 it doesnt make much sence now that 7970s are selling at $369 right now.

[renz496]

i think even at $300 people will still attracted to it. IMO nvidia will only price the card around 250 if they really want to go into price war with amd

[HossHuge]

I can buy a Galaxy 670 here in Taiwan for about $330 so it better be under $300 .

[tacosRcool]

cripple!

this reminds me of the 8800gs when that came out

[ranviper]

It's about time! I've been holding off upgrading my 550ti for so long, I almost dropped all the cash on a 670.

[HumanSmoke]

Originally Posted by Xzibit

500 series they had 4
550 Ti
560
560 Ti
560 Ti 448
.

You missed the rather obvious one...the GTX 560 SE (GTX 555 for OEM's). Obvious since like the 670 / 660 Ti it's a 192-bit bus width to the GTX 560's 256- although in this instance the ROP/TMU count also differs.

[SIGSEGV]

Originally Posted by renz496

i think even at $300 people will still attracted to it. IMO nvidia will only price the card around 250 if they really want to go into price war with amd

they dont have to go into price war with amd, surely nvidia will win with this specific gaming cards, AMD have their own paradigm with their GCN Architectures.