Diablo III Clubhouse

[Kreij]

Originally Posted by n-ster

I really want to play but I get bored out of my mind when I try

I'm not so much bored as I have no motivation to keep playing.
Grinding for loot just so I can get farther in inferno is not enough motivation for me.
I'm not bashing as I really like the game ... I just need something more to do to keep me interested.

[magibeg]

Originally Posted by Kreij

I'm not so much bored as I have no motivation to keep playing.
Grinding for loot just so I can get farther in inferno is not enough motivation for me.
I'm not bashing as I really like the game ... I just need something more to do to keep me interested.

Ah ha! I knew it was only a matter of time before you joined me :P

[Kreij]

Originally Posted by magibeg

Ah ha! I knew it was only a matter of time before you joined me :P

I downloaded and started playing Eve Online (a game I have wanted to play since it launched but I never had good enough internet). Might not be back to D3 soon.

BUT !! ... D3 is a really fun game that I have enjoyed for over 200 hours.

[1Kurgan1]

Originally Posted by digibucc

honestly i find it depressing how strongly you guys defend it. either it needs the defense and you are proving that or it doesn't and you're wasting your time. either way with a game of this popularity there is simply no way you are not going to hear complaining, some will be baseless and some accurate, just like every other game.now that being said, I can not believe you have nothing negative to say about the game. you've played it since release but don't have a single thing to complain about? that just doesn't seem possible.

So we either get people like me, who are disappointed and can't bring themselves to enjoy the game for what it is - and then people like you who defend every thing about it whether it deserves defense or not. neither us are giving our full thoughts because we both are trying to prove a point: either it's good or bad. but just because you have chosen to like it overall, doesn't mean there aren't problems, and doesn't mean people aren't right in their assessment. the same works in reverse of course - just because i don't like it overall doesn't mean it didn't do things right.

I think you are missing how I defend the game, or the way I look at games. I'm not saying these people are wrong for having these opinions or that the game is infallible. I'm saying overall the game made me happy, and thats how I look at almost any game. Nothing is perfect, I can find faults in anygame out there. But I step back and ask myself, "is this fun?" If that answer is yes (even some horrible horrible games are fun) then thats just simply the answer.

I've had my complaints with the game, but with something like 170 hours into the game and I still find it fun, thats far more hours than I put into most games and still find them fun. I defend the game because it pisses me off when people with 100 hours say they aren't getting their moneys worth. Or say you need millions of gold to get anywhere in the game (I had a friend make it into Act II Inf before the nerf without ever using the AH on a Barb). But the reason I end up defending it so much is also because this is a thread I visit to talk to people who enjoy the game, and it's just so full of trolling about people being sick of this and sick of that, I actually stopped coming here. Thats the first post I have made here in like a week, and this might be the last ever. It's simple, if you don't like the game, don't ruin the clubhouse, it sucks you don't enjoy the game, but I got many games I bought and didn't like. Or many products beyond games I have bought and been disappointed with, thats life, you get burned sometimes, just got to keep moving on.

[Kreij]

It's nice to see people having wildly varying opinions and still remaining civil to each other. Thanks guys !!

How about if we state something we don't like in the game, and why changing it would improve the game (in your opionion)?
I'll start ...

I don't like the fact that the character's attributes (Str, Dex, etc.) are automatically assigned when you level up. If this was left up to the player, each build could be drastically different and would make for a more "personalized" hero. It would also mean you could have 5 monks (cough cough) and each one would have a potentially different play style, thus giving the game a lot more replayability.

IMO, making these kinds of "permanent" decisions on a character's stats is a cornerstone of RPGs.

[digibucc]

Originally Posted by 1Kurgan1

But the reason I end up defending it so much is also because this is a thread I visit to talk to people who enjoy the game, and it's just so full of trolling about people being sick of this and sick of that, I actually stopped coming here. Thats the first post I have made here in like a week, and this might be the last ever. It's simple, if you don't like the game, don't ruin the clubhouse, it sucks you don't enjoy the game, but I got many games I bought and didn't like. Or many products beyond games I have bought and been disappointed with, thats life, you get burned sometimes, just got to keep moving on.

Fair enough... I know how that feels and I purposely kept the majority of my bitching away from the clubhouse and TPU because of that. and yes, obviously the only option is to move on, but honestly having waited a decade for the game and having received this instead - I don't think i am dwelling on it too much really.

Diablo is quite literally my favorite game series of all time. Diablo 3 doesn't match what i consider reasonable expectations for the game. I think i have a right and I think it reasonable that I am a little peeved regarding what was actually released.

and you have to understand that I have had reservations since months before release, but every single time I was told I was wrong and had to shut up (paraphrasing) for various reasons. before it was because it was not yet released, then it was because it was in release week, release month, now it's because people simply don't want to read it?

when have i earned the right to speak my mind about the game without simply being told "you're wrong", or "that opinion is not welcome here." ? I realize your last post was the culminating reaction to all the bitching you've seen up until now - but what about everyone who has kept their mouth shut since before release, simply to avoid upsetting people?

somehow I think creating a hate thread would be worse than just airing grievances in the existing thread... i may be wrong though. And honestly, I still feel very outnumbered here. the people expressing even a modicum of disappointment is minimal compared to those telling the first group to get lost.

I don't think there is more bitching about the game when scaled to any other game - i think there are more people that are unwilling to read negative comments because they are too invested in liking d3. if they start reading negative comments and happen to agree with one, well what then? that's just my opinion of course, and doesn't fit everyone.

[Kreij]

Everyone can express their opinion here at TPU (as long as it's within the guidelines) and in any thread they choose. In this case the D3 clubhouse IS the place to voice your pleasure/displeasure with the game.

We really don't want "The Happy D3 Owners Clubhouse" and "The Pissed-off D3 Owners Clubhouse" and would not allow it as it would simply be flaming and drama magnet threads.

Even though the discussions of varying opionions can get a bit long in the tooth (since it is a discussion based on opinion and not something tangible), it is what the clubhouses are here for.

Carry on ...

[entropy13]

AH prices are going down for everything, buy and sell profits have thus also gone down.

As a (re)seller it's bad news for me, but as a buyer, obviously it's good news.

[lyndonguitar]

Originally Posted by Kreij

How about if we state something we don't like in the game, and why changing it would improve the game (in your opionion)?
I'll start ...

IMO Storyline was good, but Storytelling isnt. They should have added more cutscenes. Diablo's questing system/style limits the storytelling of the game

Also the graphics look very, very outdated. I think the Graphics from Starcraft II's in-engine Cutscenes were alot better than the D3 Char Model in the Menus, it looks WarCraft-ish. Don't get me wrong, I know Diablo 3 is NOT about the graphics, But its 2012, a little quality boost would be nice.

Some animations sucks too, They should have added matching animations for skills and weapons like Dark Souls. Feels akward(as a Monk) walking around holding dual axes and when you attack the enemy, you punch them instead while the axes gets unwielded.

The Merchants really sucks compared to D2, You can never ever get good items from any merchant in the game. unless you craft.

I have about 300+ Hrs in the game, so far so good. It is worth the $60. 60/x>300 means I have spent less than $0.2 for every hour I've played. not bad. but the game could have been alot better.

[n-ster]

I had an awesome time until Act 2 inferno... from then, the AH was much more fun then farming or going further in Act 2. After a while AH got boring... Having my friends stop playing doesn't help

AH literally added 10-15 hours more play time for me, and I really like the idea. Those people who don't like that fact that there is an AH, I'd definitively disagree on that

[magibeg]

Well as soon as legendaries are better it should maybe get some more life again. Especially if the legendaries become easier to find. Because i find basically nothing.

[n-ster]

idk since they made the drops better, I don't mind the drop rates THAT much. It's something else

[Bjorn_Of_Iceland]

Im having fun farming my level 60 dh full mf for my low level barb. Really feels good when everything dies with one shot. Not sure why people torture themselves with Inferno. Theres always Hell and below to make you feel good.

[Kreij]

Originally Posted by n-ster

idk since they made the drops better, I don't mind the drop rates THAT much. It's something else

The overall drop "rates" are fine. If we take a group and run Act4 Hell, once you get 5 NV rares drop like rain ... the problem is that it's not very often you can find anything useful to upgrade your character.

Legendary and set items are supposed to be hard to find, but I have over 200 hours on my monk and I've only found one legendary and no set pieces. It's kind of tough to get a "set" together when in that many hours of gameplay you never even got one to start a set.

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Of_Iceland

Im having fun farming my level 60 dh full mf for my low level barb. Really feels good when everything dies with one shot. Not sure why people torture themselves with Inferno. Theres always Hell and below to make you feel good.

This is true. If you drop back to a lower difficulty level you definitely feel like the hero you are supposed to be. Although if you don't want to farm for an alt, the odds of finding something awesome are even less.

It's a tough balancing act for a developer to try to keep up a players motivation for loot grinding and at the same time trying to not flood the market with unique and powerful items.

They could make a class of items that are high powered and characeter bound with a much better drop rate. The name of the item(s) could have the character name attached (ie. "Kreij's Flaming Katana of Mob Destruction") and only be used by that character or removed from the game (sold to a vendor or destroyed by the blacksmith for its component items).
That would at least make loot grinding more fun.

[entropy13]

Originally Posted by Kreij

Legendary and set items are supposed to be hard to find, but I have over 200 hours on my monk and I've only found one legendary and no set pieces. It's kind of tough to get a "set" together when in that many hours of gameplay you never even got one to start a set.

I have less than 140 hours with my barbarian and I have found 4 legendary items already.

All useless.

[HTC]

Originally Posted by entropy13

I have less than 140 hours with my barbarian and I have found 4 legendary items already.

All useless.

I found 2 in a row in act 4 hell (within about 5 minutes or so) in my latest run: 2 * 2 handed swords (lvl 56 and 59): both crap as usual

Found about 10, so far. The only one with some interest was the Ouroborous (SP?) ring.

[Kreij]

Originally Posted by Kreij

the problem is that it's not very often you can find anything useful to upgrade your character.

Originally Posted by entropy13

All useless.

Originally Posted by HTC

.. both crap as usual

Do I sense a trend here?
Well at least other people are finding interesting stuff. Even if it's not useful it gives you a little motivation to keep hunting.

[magibeg]

Good items just need to be found more often and bad less often. I hate going through inventory upon inventory of let downs. I'd rather find a crapton less rares and blues and instead find more gold. Then when something rare drops i'll actually start to care again.

[HTC]

Originally Posted by Kreij

Do I sense a trend here?
Well at least other people are finding interesting stuff. Even if it's not useful it gives you a little motivation to keep hunting.

Both items have interesting stats, for weapons: 1 has movement speed and gold find while the other has magic find. The problem is that both of them have less then 400 DPS, and they are 2 handed weapons.

Originally Posted by magibeg

Good items just need to be found more often and bad less often. I hate going through inventory upon inventory of let downs. I'd rather find a crapton less rares and blues and instead find more gold. Then when something rare drops i'll actually start to care again.

Agree with this.

[Ross211]

Good ol' GF sword.... if only it were as powerful as it was in D2 :~(

I'm keeping this find in hopes that it gets buffed on this upcoming patch that is going to add new legendaries. They might not even do anything with the current legendaries though, maybe just add new ones that are actually good compared to rares.

[entropy13]

The upcoming maintenance would take a very long time. And apparently there's something that will change with items and item drops...

[HTC]

Originally Posted by entropy13

The upcoming maintenance would take a very long time. And apparently there's something that will change with items and item drops...

Here's to hoping you're right, dude!

Also, if they increased the gold drop amounts would be great. I mean: in Hell act 4 killing 5 elites and then going to kill Diablo gives me about 2/3 as much gold as, in Inferno, killing 1 elite in cathedral lvl3, 2 or 3 more in Leoric's hunting grounds / manor, 4 or 5 in the festering woods, dunno how many in the cemetery and dunno how many to reach an kill the butcher.

It's much faster to do the Hell run then it is the Inferno run described above and i don't mean because the monsters are harder to kill (they are, but that's not the point): it's more grounds to cover which is why it takes much longer.

In Inferno difficulty, the gold drops should be noticeably higher then in Hell difficulty but, as the example above shows, that's not the case.

EDIT

Here are the 2 * 2 handed swords i mentioned earlier + 1 daibo that didn't get sold @ AH + a chest armor i just found (attachments): these are the only legendaries i have, @tm.

[lyndonguitar]

I got a Helm.

702 Armor, 116 Int, 4.5 Crit Chance, Open Socket, 57 Resist and 13% GF.

How much you think it will sell?

EDIT: posted in the AH for 35m BO, 20m Bid, damn I hope it sells

[bostonbuddy]

haven't played in about a week, when it gets updated if they increase the drop rate I'll try it again, it needs pvp bad tho and theres still no eta.
I can stand the farming if theres some kind of not super grinding activity to use the gear on.
I also think NV should only apply to the four boss fights. Don't always have the time or the willpower to do whole act runs, and would be more likely to play more often if I could log on, see someone I know, and just do the woods or seigbreaker and know I'm not just gonna get a bunch of non magics and blues, that in order to get a decent drop rate I have to grind for an hour.

[AsRock]

Originally Posted by HTC

Here's to hoping you're right, dude!

Also, if they increased the gold drop amounts would be great. I mean: in Hell act 4 killing 5 elites and then going to kill Diablo gives me about 2/3 as much gold as, in Inferno, killing 1 elite in cathedral lvl3, 2 or 3 more in Leoric's hunting grounds / manor, 4 or 5 in the festering woods, dunno how many in the cemetery and dunno how many to reach an kill the butcher.

It's much faster to do the Hell run then it is the Inferno run described above and i don't mean because the monsters are harder to kill (they are, but that's not the point): it's more grounds to cover which is why it takes much longer.

In Inferno difficulty, the gold drops should be noticeably higher then in Hell difficulty but, as the example above shows, that's not the case.

EDIT

Here are the 2 * 2 handed swords i mentioned earlier + 1 daibo that didn't get sold @ AH + a chest armor i just found (attachments): these are the only legendaries i have, @tm.

If more gold dropped i bet prices would go up in the AH.. And as for 2h weapons i have had them with 100-900 leach and they never sell and you may as well give them to your AI.

Blizz needs to sort those 2h weapons out and double the leach and damage on them and they be a wanted item then as for now near everyone is just using 2 swords..

I used to love see some one use a 2h sword in D2.