MSI GTX 660 Ti HAWK 3-way SLI Pictured, Tested

[Xzibit]

Originally Posted by Crap Daddy

The cheapest I could find on Newegg was $420 so if somebody is selling the card at $370 it means they are desperate and might as well give them for free. Also the rest of the world, at least Europe, has different prices so it is not a general rule. On the other hand I don't want to be in the shoes of somebody who payed 550$ on that card in March when NV had not yet released Kepler and find out that just in 5 months time my card is worth less than 400$. As long as NVidia keep their prices where they are it means they are selling. AMD is probably not selling and therefore they try to make the prices more attractive.

Back to the 660Ti, this card will probably be at maximum $300. It will be considerably better (out of the box) than the 7870, a card at 280$ and will trade blows with the 7950, a card at 350$.

lol

You mean the same shoes the GTX 680 owner where when the GTX 670 came out for an MSRP $100 lower.
Thats the price you pay for early adoption of a product.

HOT DEAL I spotted 2 weeks ago. The prices have slightly adjusted. Looks like they added a game with all AMD purschases now. So thats an added $30-$40 Free.

But seriously if the 660Ti sells at 350 or 329 and the 7970 continue to be sold for under 390. Atleast in the US I dont see much of a debate. Unless these sell out and no more stock comes in.

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by seronx

24 ROPs I hope that is a glitch...once I went 48 ROPs I'm not going back to anything near 16 ROPs.
(4850 -> 16 ROPs / 480 -> 48 ROPs)

Guess my best bet for ROPs is the 780/770 and or the 8970/8950 next year...

Its a number. You probably do not even notice the direct effect of the specific amount of them.

[Crap Daddy]

Originally Posted by Xzibit

lol

You mean the same shoes the GTX 680 owner where when the GTX 670 came out for an MSRP $100 lower.
Thats the price you pay for early adoption of a product.

HOT DEAL I spotted 2 weeks ago. The prices have slightly adjusted. Looks like they added a game with all AMD purschases now. So thats an added $30-$40 Free.

But seriously if the 660Ti sells at 350 or 329 and the 7970 continue to be sold for under 390. Atleast in the US I dont see much of a debate. Unless these sell out and no more stock comes in.

It's not the same. Out of the box the 670 was 8% slower than the GTX680 and is an inferior card at over 1080p. The right price for a 680 now would be $450 but that ain't gonna happen. NV is not usually cutting prices so easy and you might consider the 670 as a price cut to the 680 (that is if you can live with one SMX disabled).

The 660Ti will not sell at over $300. From the specs leaked and the TT review it is clear that this card will not touch the 670 and under certain circumstances (higher resolution than 1080p, MSAA) it will loose to the 7950. But again, this card is positioned against the 7870 and if NV really wants to mess with AMD then it will price it at 280. We'll find out soon.

[seronx]

Originally Posted by nvidiaintelftw

Its a number. You probably do not even notice the direct effect of the specific amount of them.

.772 MHz * 48 => 37.056 Gpixel/s
1.098 MHz * 24 => 26.352 Gpixel/s

We are talking about a 10 Gpixel/s loss I would notice it right away.

[EarthDog]

Is it just me or does 18k in 03 absolutely suck? Are we sure thats not 06? Hell a 7870 scored 118k in 03... Thats not right.. cant be... no way.

[Nokiacrazi]

Originally Posted by Crap Daddy

Back to the 660Ti, this card will probably be at maximum $300. It will be considerably better (out of the box) than the 7870, a card at 280$ and will trade blows with the 7950, a card at 350$.

Oh how I hope you are right.

That would be amazing. But only if $300 = $300 not = £300.

[KainXS]

Originally Posted by seronx

.772 MHz * 48 => 37.056 Gpixel/s
1.098 MHz * 24 => 26.352 Gpixel/s

We are talking about a 10 Gpixel/s loss I would notice it right away.

thats not how it is anymore with Geforce cards, in the long long ago with Pre 400 cards you could do that but it still wasn't truly correct(it was close though) but now you can't calculate the correct pixel fillrates by multiplying the core clock by rops, on the 4XX cards and higher the fillrate is limited by the memory bandwidth and the amount of sm/x clusters so your GTX480(if thats what you have) only should only be able to to do a maximum of 23Gpixels at this point because even though the rops could handle 37 they still get bottlenecked.

for the 480
772x2x15= 23,160Mpixels
for the 660
the rops actually limit the fillrate to 24,480Mpixels but the SMX's can handle about 29,000Mpixels

so the GTX660 is more powerful than the GTX480 in those terms and matches the GTX580 more

[blanarahul]

Yay for cheap cards.!

[DarkOCean]

Originally Posted by blanarahul

Yay for cheap cards.!

$300 is hardly cheap.

[newfellow]

192-bit

only number that matters on current gpu development

wtf

[techtard]

This should force the Radeon 7870 to drop to a more reasonable price.
Also, last time I checked, you could find 7950s here in Canada for around ~$300.
I wouldn't say either company is outright winning right now, both brands have their pros and cons.
So if this card performs like a champ, everyone wins.

Originally Posted by DarkOCean

$300 is hardly cheap.

It's not exactly cheap, but it's near the magic number that most people are willing to pay for a solid gaming card.

I paid around that much for my 5850 nearly 3 years ago, was an excellent investment and still delivering decent performance. (with a solid overclock.)

If I buy a new card this gen, it will either be a version of gtx 660 or 7950 depending on price/performance. Will wait for a TPU review.

[Tatty_One]

Originally Posted by newfellow

192-bit

only number that matters on current gpu development

wtf

A 192bit memory bus is fine for bandwidth, the suggested performance pretty much shows that and at if they increased the bandwidth we would probably be paying more and the performance in relation to the 670 would be even more clouded.

[Crap Daddy]

Originally Posted by Tatty_One

A 192bit memory bus is fine for bandwidth, the suggested performance pretty much shows that and at if they increased the bandwidth we would probably be paying more and the performance in relation to the 670 would be even more clouded.

Of course. Don't look at GPU-z that will show you 24 ROPs and 192bit, check the performance in games since that's what this card was built for. By these specs Nvidia clearly wanted to make this card a midrange one. I wouldn't be too surprised if they will price it at $280.

[NHKS]

dont think this is the hawk edition.. rather the Power Edition..



the box specs also seem to indicate that the 3GB shown in GPU-Z was incorrect (?).. its 2GB

[Crap Daddy]

Originally Posted by NHKS

the box specs also seem to indicate that the 3GB shown in GPU-Z was incorrect (?).. its 2GB

It surely was wrong. All clues point towards 2GB and 192bit.

[NHKS]

^ probably since the GPU-Z version used in the OP screenshot was 0.6.2.. they should have used 0.6.3 !!

[NHKS]

spotted at best buy

[Xzibit]

Has anyone bought one ?

It be more beleivable if the photo wasnt edited. Why bother posting a pic and the price then edit the lower half of the box and blurr out the detail in the price tag then just leave the ID mark.

From all the "leaks" that site has posted that seam to contradict one another in 2-days. I would guess they want the traffic.