Windows 8 Graphics Performance

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

am i the only one who likes the GUI?

Me too, and if I didn't like the GUI i still would use the OS since its better behind things other then what it looks like.

Okay, who the hell changed my picture.

[Frick]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

I have an awful lot of friends and associates

And they are a rather varied bunch of folk! Some don't care for tech at all, some are Apple lovers, others enjoy using it but don't really go all out.

It's a nice bunch! and it's a large enough set of people to be considered a mini trial

How many tried your system? What were their exact words? What did you tell them ("look at this new crap Windows" or "hey look it's fantastic I love it")?If you don't know for sure, it's useless data. It's still useless data actually. Scale it up and do a proper investigation and then we can talk.

[qubit]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Skill of what? Cluttering their desktop? They have been trying that for 20 years.....it hasn't worked. People still use a computer about to the same level as a toaster oven.

I do hate to agree with you, but seeing daily the incredibly stupid ways the people at work use their computers at work, I must say that this is sadly all too true.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Smaller footprint, more secure, faster boot and shut down, runs beta drivers and goes toe to toe with a mature OS, ties main OS with all your mobile devices........yet no start button so it must be fail.

Common sense is not so common.

These only work as reason for why you should buy a PC with Windows 8 over Windows 7, but nothing here justifies the expense needed to make the upgrade.


See, I don't use mobile devices, don't have a cell phone for myself, so that's useless to me.

Smaller footprint? I have like 8 TB and 32 GB in my main system.

More secure? Windows 7 is unsecure? How? The only thing that is unsecure is browsing habits of some people.

Faster boot and shutdown? Yeah, becuase appeasing those with no patience, and making it so that pateince isn't practiced is a good thing....Please.

Windows 8 is an INCREMENTAL upgrade to Windows 7, which is a big reason for the lowered pricing compared to Windows 7, which actually changed a fair bit behind the scenes. Windows 7 also brought DX11, until several months later such was added to Vista.

Frankly, I think Windows 8 sucks. Iwon't use it myself, as all I do with my PC is browse TPU, play games, and write reviews. Windows 8 offers nothing for me for those three things.

I will buy Windows 8, and run it on my review rigs, because that's jsut how reviews work, and maybe I might find some use for it when doing my reviews, so I reserve final judgement overall, but there is no way in hell that I'll be buying it for my personal rigs until after it has really proven itself to me.


So, take those three things I do, and realize that most users here do the same thing, but maybe swap out reviews with some other activity, and you won't look so silly, posting every three posts, saying the exact same shit.

[zAAm]

It would be good to see Windows 8 performance with hybrid multi-monitor setups like I have since Win 7 still has some problems with memory leaks in the window manager when running 3D applications on screens powered by the secondary graphics card...

Although my setup is probably uncommon enough that no one would care

Also, with 4 screens I'll probably be fine with one running the UI formerly known as Metro...

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

These only work as reason for why you should buy a PC with Windows 8 over Windows 7, but nothing here justifies the expense needed to make the upgrade.


See, I don't use mobile devices, don't have a cell phone for myself, so that's useless to me.

Smaller footprint? I have like 8 TB and 32 GB in my main system.

More secure? Windows 7 is unsecure? How? The only thing that is unsecure is browsing habits of some people.

Faster boot and shutdown? Yeah, becuase appeasing those with no patience, and making it so that pateince isn't practiced is a good thing....Please.

Windows 8 is an INCREMENTAL upgrade to Windows 7, which is a big reason for the lowered pricing compared to Windows 7, which actually changed a fair bit behind the scenes. Windows 7 also brought DX11, until several months later such was added to Vista.

Frankly, I think Windows 8 sucks. Iwon't use it myself, as all I do with my PC is browse TPU, play games, and write reviews. Windows 8 offers nothing for me for those three things.

I will buy Windows 8, and run it on my review rigs, because that's jsut how reviews work, and maybe I might find some use for it when doing my reviews, so I reserve final judgement overall, but there is no way in hell that I'll be buying it for my personal rigs until after it has really proven itself to me.


So, take those three things I do, and realize that most users here do the same thing, but maybe swap out reviews with some other activity, and you won't look so silly, posting every three posts, saying the exact same shit.

You have an 8TB SSD?! Sweet!

As for Windows 8 vs Windows 7 in security I suggest you look up secure boot. ALSO it comes default with MSE installed.....only now its called windows Defender or some crap so by its very default its more secure. For the average user its VASTLY more secure. How many times have you seen a novice buy a computer, let the Antivirus trial expire and still think they are protected? Windows 8 fixes this issue. You also call this an "INCREMENTAL" update and yet it changes the entire GUI and how people will work? Please they are bringing this to market at the price they are because people have come to expect it from the Apple model. That and they want vast adoption........because its the new standard.

Also you may not need it for phones and such, that I can respect but once surface hits and tablets flood the business market even further Win 8 will really shine as it will be a universal OS that reps and people in general will be familiar with at home or the office. It will become industry standard like it or not, one day you will have to cave and become fluent in Metro or its newest incarnation in Windows 9, 10 or 11.


Oh and haters gonna hate!

Originally Posted by zAAm

Although my setup is probably uncommon enough that no one would care ...

I care zAAm......I care.

[Freedom4556]

Just a thought here guys, but I'm having a bit of a different perspective on this. Anybody remember the performance delta on Windows Vista pre-SP1? This is actually an amazing achievement for Microsoft, they rewrote the kernel and large parts of the OS and still manage not to accidentally cause any performance retrogression before any major patches. Imagine what SP1 for Windows 8 will be like. We need a more comprehensive non-gaming comparison. Like file copying and trans-coding and the like. Still, I am turned off by "the UI formerly known as Metro" for non-touch displays. That an I have a feeling the MS store won't do well with traditional Windows users.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

You have an 8TB SSD?! Sweet!

As for Windows 8 vs Windows 7 in security I suggest you look up secure boot. ALSO it comes default with MSE installed.....only now its called windows Defender or some crap so by its very default its more secure. For the average user its VASTLY more secure. How many times have you seen a novice buy a computer, let the Antivirus trial expire and still think they are protected? Windows 8 fixes this issue. You also call this an "INCREMENTAL" update and yet it changes the entire GUI and how people will work? Please they are bringing this to market at the price they are because people have come to expect it from the Apple model. That and they want vast adoption........because its the new standard.

Also you may not need it for phones and such, that I can respect but once surface hits and tablets flood the business market even further Win 8 will really shine as it will be a universal OS that reps and people in general will be familiar with at home or the office. It will become industry standard like it or not, one day you will have to cave and become fluent in Metro or its newest incarnation in Windows 9, 10 or 11.


Oh and haters gonna hate!

Actually, I'll just call you a anti-Win8 hater here, as simply put, none of these points counteract my personal preferences or uses. You came up with a side-point, ran with it, and well, you best keep running, methinks.

Very simply put, my last post said that while there ARE things that Windows 8 adds, none of those have any impact on how I PERSONALLY use a PC, so I have no interest in it now.


Then you come back with how novice users need antivirus.

Um, OK, but what does that actually have to do with my post, other than you thinking you're a brilliant troll?

Like seriously, as I mentioned, I'm willing to give Windows 8 a chance, once put to the test in my own reviews, so, do you have anything to add to that, or just again repeating the same crap?


133 posts, and 23 of them are yours. 20%. How about giving someone else a chance to say their piece? Maybe go write some news?

[qubit]

Originally Posted by Freedom4556

Just a thought here guys, but I'm having a bit of a different perspective on this. Anybody remember the performance delta on Windows Vista pre-SP1? This is actually an amazing achievement for Microsoft, they rewrote the kernel and large parts of the OS and still manage not to accidentally cause any performance retrogression before any major patches. Imagine what SP1 for Windows 8 will be like. We need a more comprehensive non-gaming comparison. Like file copying and trans-coding and the like. Still, I am turned off by "the UI formerly known as Metro" for non-touch displays. That an I have a feeling the MS store won't do well with traditional Windows users.

Yes, it will be interesting to see how Windows 8 performance stacks up in other areas. These sorts of benchmarks will no doubt appear once it's released in October. I don't like Metro either.

[plywood99]

I'll be one of the few that agrees with Mailman. Win 8 is the future. I have it as my main OS. I HATE Metro, but I am growing used to it. However the other features of Win 8 are not to be ignored.
Suck it up peeps, you'll all be using it soon enough...

[Easy Rhino]

omg people have different preferences for a GUI? my world view has been shattered!!!!

[qubit]

Originally Posted by plywood99

I'll be one of the few that agrees with Mailman. Win 8 is the future. I have it as my main OS. I HATE Metro, but I am growing used to it. However the other features of Win 8 are not to be ignored.
Suck it up peeps, you'll all be using it soon enough...

Or it could tank like Vista, or even worse...

Unless you have a crystal ball, there's no way you can say with any certainty.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by qubit

Or it could tank like Vista, or even worse...

Unless you have a crystal ball, there's no way you can say with any certainty.

I think Microsoft has realized this as well, and hence Surface. It seems to be a novell idea that just might catch on. And Microsoft knows how to sell specialized hardware really well thanks to their experience with the XBOX360.

And that brings me to another thing that occurs to me - Windows8 seems highly geared for Surface, and not much else.

And with that in mind, to take this whole thing back on topic, although W1zz explored game perforamnce, Surface definitely is not going to be running games in any sort of semblance of decent perforamnce with high detail, but other VGA-oriented tasks, like Browser acceleration and video playback might pose where the real benefit is for Windows8, as it seems that there is not too much when it comes to gaming.

[Phusius]

Originally Posted by plywood99

I'll be one of the few that agrees with Mailman. Win 8 is the future. I have it as my main OS. I HATE Metro, but I am growing used to it. However the other features of Win 8 are not to be ignored.
Suck it up peeps, you'll all be using it soon enough...

I am actually excited to upgrade to Win 8 retail when my 14.99 promo is allowed to be usedm can you please tell me what "other features of Win 8 that are not to be ignored" are? I just want to know what to look out for.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Actually, I'll just call you a anti-Win8 hater here, as simply put, none of these points counteract my personal preferences or uses. You came up with a side-point, ran with it, and well, you best keep running, methinks.

Very simply put, my last post said that while there ARE things that Windows 8 adds, none of those have any impact on how I PERSONALLY use a PC, so I have no interest in it now.


Then you come back with how novice users need antivirus.

Um, OK, but what does that actually have to do with my post, other than you thinking you're a brilliant troll?

Like seriously, as I mentioned, I'm willing to give Windows 8 a chance, once put to the test in my own reviews, so, do you have anything to add to that, or just again repeating the same crap?


133 posts, and 23 of them are yours. 20%. How about giving someone else a chance to say their piece? Maybe go write some news?

You said "More secure? Windows 7 is unsecure? How? The only thing that is unsecure is browsing habits of some people." and I was replying for the "some people" aspect of that argument hence, the novice argument. Your post was honestly all over the road so in that theater so was my reply. So are we gonna argue post structure now since you really don't have a reason why Windows 8 sucks other then its something more to learn new?

Originally Posted by Phusius

I am actually excited to upgrade to Win 8 retail when my 14.99 promo is allowed to be usedm can you please tell me what "other features of Win 8 that are not to be ignored" are? I just want to know what to look out for.

PCMag has a short review up thats kinda cool.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

you really don't have a reason why Windows 8 sucks other then its something more to learn new?

I didn't say anything about it being new being the issue, that's all you dude. I jumped on Vista when everyone else said it was crap(for me, it wasn't), and Windows 7 I had before it was even in store. Each offered me something...new Direct X versions, and thereby, new gaming visuals and features.

Windows 8, on the other hand, offers me, who is primarily a gamer, nothing. The way I use my PC makes security unimportant other than what is provided.


Yes, I had a list of how all those features you listed don't appeal to ME, but that lack of structure, is due to your own post, not mine, in fact, so let's call the kettle black right away, why don't we? That's was YOUR list. I don't care what Windows8 offers to anyone else, first of all, since I won't be buying it for them...I care about what it offers me.


So again, what does it offer me? or are you again gonna repeat shit? Nevermind, I know what you'll do. No need to answer that one.

[eidairaman1]

Very minute gains in gaming. Nothing worth upgrading to. Till Ms gets their head out of their ass i wont move to 8 at all

[Wrigleyvillain]

You've made some good points Mailman and Windows 8 is hardly another Vista (tho as I've said before that situation was not all MS's fault). But I still fail to comprehend your utter exuberance for this new OS and also exactly why are so absolutely keen on being an earliest adopter especially considering you use your machine to make a living. I'm not claiming there aren't valid reasons; I just can't determine them.

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

Till Ms gets their head out of their ass i wont move to 8 at all

Not really sure what the hell that is supposed to mean but, yeah, like Dave has said too there's not much for me here as it stands today in terms of warranting an upgrade.

[Rhyseh]

I agree with Mailman on this one.

Windows 8 implements some of the largest changes we've seen since Windows 95. It's a move towards a fully integrated technology eco-system that caters to the average Joe. Like it or not it is the way forward. Microsoft has assumed that the tech savvy will customise the OS until they get it the way they want it.

OS' are now being manufactured for the same market who love reality TV..... Personally I don't see a reason not to upgrade, as someone who makes their living off technology I really don't understand the resistance to Win 8. It offers everything Windows 7 does and a little bit more.

It's coming no matter how much noise people make.

[baggpipes]

Im about to stop coming here its all mail man troll these days.....

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by Rhyseh

I agree with Mailman on this one.

Windows 8 implements some of the largest changes we've seen since Windows 95. It's a move towards a fully integrated technology eco-system that caters to the average Joe. Like it or not it is the way forward. Microsoft has assumed that the tech savvy will customise the OS until they get it the way they want it.

OS' are now being manufactured for the same market who love reality TV..... Personally I don't see a reason not to upgrade, as someone who makes their living off technology I really don't understand the resistance to Win 8. It offers everything Windows 7 does and a little bit more.

It's coming no matter how much noise people make.

Agreed. People will hate on it and bitch just like every release of Windows. It'll be adopted by all, its just a matter of time. Will it be adopted quickly or slowly? Just got to wait and see. I think the big thing is that most people are seeing is the massive change to the GUI, but they don't consider the under the hood aspects and performance the OS brings you. Disregard any sort of gaming performance everything else is better than Windows 7. I mean honestly Windows 8 knows its running on an SSD so if you go to turn off defrag that we do for Windows 7 it actually just says Optimize. And it does some SSD optimizations for you so the OS can run at its best on the SSD. Most likely just turns off Defrag, but you get the point.

[Slacker]

Hey guys, i just want to ask something off-topic. Can you guys do a review on Bulldozer performance on win8? I just want to see if Amd really mean that their cpu is better on win8.

[Frick]

Originally Posted by baggpipes

Im about to stop coming here its all mail man troll these days.....

On this topic, yes. Otherwise he's better now. :P

[eidairaman1]

IDK Windows 7 was a drastic improvement over Windows 2000, XP and Vista in the speed dept. I might add it boots and responds as fast if not faster than windows 98 SE did

[Ikaruga]

Thanks for the great review.