Hypothetically, if the world's best hackers came together, how much damage possible?

Phusius · Aug 27, 2012, 11:43 PM

Let's say, best hackers in the world from all nations came together. Had unlimited resources as in money to buy parts, or whatever they need.

Could they shut down the entire internet for a month or a week even? (I am just trying to guesstimate how much power even the best hackers have in the the most recent of years.)

Bo$$ · Aug 27, 2012, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phusius

Let's say, best hackers in the world from all nations came together. Had unlimited resources as in money to buy parts, or whatever they need.

Could they shut down the entire internet for a month or a week even? (I am just trying to guesstimate how much power even the best hackers have in the the most recent of years.)

Theoretically anything is possible...
I wouldn't like to see that happen at all...

Phusius · Aug 27, 2012, 11:49 PM

@Bo$$ I don't want to see anything like that either, I just am not entirely sure what the elite hackers are capable of and I want to understand better. Anomynous and Lulsec didn't impress me, they shut down some stuff for what a few hours at most, maybe stole some credit card information, etc? All very minor imho, but if they had the power to shut down the internet for top retailers like Amazon or something for more than a week, that could cause quite a hiccup in the stock market or something.

OnePostWonder · Aug 27, 2012, 11:50 PM

We've seen a nuclear facility be afflicted by a virus in the last year or so, so I'd wager to say they could do more than shut down the internet.

sneekypeet · Aug 27, 2012, 11:50 PM

They wouldn't take out the net, they can't! What would they do with no interwebz?

tacosRcool · Aug 27, 2012, 11:54 PM

Too many nerds in one place! Isn't that what the Star Wars conventions are for?!

FordGT90Concept · Aug 27, 2012, 11:56 PM

The internet is too decentralized and diverse for anyone to "shut down the entire internet."

manofthem · Aug 27, 2012, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Phusius

Let's say, best hackers in the world from all nations came together. Had unlimited resources as in money to buy parts, or whatever they need.

Could they shut down the entire internet for a month or a week even? (I am just trying to guesstimate how much power even the best hackers have in the the most recent of years.)

They tried that... John McClane stopped them! Firesale extinguished!

phanbuey · Aug 28, 2012, 12:19 AM

I would predict that alot of the real professional hackers with the most experience already work as whitehat or are in IT security. Alot of the malicious stuff gets caught fast.

But if the world's best hackers got together, the impact would only be limited to the scope of what they wanted to attack. Especially if they pulled out all of the stops (including dating that ugly girl from accounting on Match.com to get access to systems).

Phusius · Aug 28, 2012, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sneekypeet

They wouldn't take out the net, they can't! What would they do with no interwebz?

The economy would probably crash hard if no internet for an entire week. Every business in the modern era is connected to it.

Norton · Aug 28, 2012, 01:00 AM

Why would a hacker take out the entire net??? How would they tell anyone how cool they are for doing it?

That would be like sawing a branch off of a tree while your sitting on it....

Phusius · Aug 28, 2012, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Norton

Why would a hacker take out the entire net??? How would they tell anyone how cool they are for doing it?

That would be like sawing a branch off of a tree while your sitting on it....

Some men just hate, they want to see the world burn. Alfred from Batman

cadaveca · Aug 28, 2012, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Phusius

Anomynous and Lulsec didn't impress me.

They shouldn't. They did not really do anything special, hack-wise. DDOS attacks are the lamest possible...A real hacker puts a backdoor silently, and captures ALL network traffic, then uses it, WITHOUT DETECTION.

Taking a site out, making your "hack" public, is not how it works...I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a viable way to draw attention, but truly, not that useful, either socially or financially, and ultimately, is a case of a bark worse than the bite. Once hte victim know they are being hacked...it's not really much of a hack, is it? They simly unplug, change hardware, power back up with new MAC IDs and new routing hardware, and your DDOS hack is useless...

Is it possible to shut down the internet? Technically, no. Anyone with a router at home ahs thier own internet, and with wireless, can connect to other routers...and even though you might take down ISPs, you'd never actually prevent networking, os no, they could not kill the internet.

LIke, for example, the best example I cna come up with...create a virus that flashes the BIOS of a motherboard, OC's the machine, and then destroys the CPU via voltage. THAT might kill the internet.

Guess what...similar tech is in any new Intel PC.

Delta6326 · Aug 28, 2012, 01:19 AM

Realistically to shut down the internet you would need to create a Trojan and have it go into all the servers around the world and at a preset time have it send out virus to all computer for a few min. then once it hits a certain time whip all the hard drives connected to those servers and computers...

Chance of this being able to be done 0.0000000000000000001%

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Originally Posted by manofthem

They tried that... John McClane stopped them! Firesale extinguished!

Thats what I was going to say!

TacoTown · Aug 28, 2012, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by manofthem

They tried that... John McClane stopped them! Firesale extinguished!

It's okay, Jen has it.

Munki · Aug 29, 2012, 02:29 PM

You mean worm?

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Originally Posted by Delta6326

Realistically to shut down the internet you would need to create a Trojan and have it go into all the servers around the world and at a preset time have it send out virus to all computer for a few min. then once it hits a certain time whip all the hard drives connected to those servers and computers...

Chance of this being able to be done 0.0000000000000000001%

Thats what I was going to say!

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james888 · Aug 29, 2012, 02:46 PM

You wouldn't have to be a hacker to stop the world wide web. You could just cut some strategic internet wires underneath the ocean.

Delta6326 · Aug 29, 2012, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Munki

You mean worm?

Yes, that too.

the54thvoid · Aug 29, 2012, 02:53 PM

Hmm.

Shut down the internet....

Isn't that what China does to its own citizens?

Besides, there's more internet lurking under there, in the dark...

AphexDreamer · Aug 29, 2012, 02:55 PM

The question shouldn't be how much damage is possible but what would their intentions be?

m1dg3t · Aug 29, 2012, 03:18 PM

Taking down the internet would achieve what many governments, businesses, politicians, etc hope for already; a cease to easily accesible information/knowledge.

You would be doing them a service

bbmarley · Aug 29, 2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kevinheraiz

it's okay, jen has it.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:a...rq1gwanzrw&t=1

lol

natr0n · Aug 29, 2012, 03:58 PM

It would be nice for them to reveal some truths that all the governments hide from us.

W1zzard · Aug 29, 2012, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Phusius

Let's say, best hackers in the world from all nations came together.

they would probably be busy copying warez/mp3/porn and then play counter-strike

tacosRcool · Aug 29, 2012, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by W1zzard

they would probably be busy copying warez/mp3/porn and then play counter-strike

You know, you may be right! Too bad I rape them at Counter-Strike

Aug 27, 2012, 11:43 PM	#1
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Aug 27, 2012, 11:49 PM	#3
Phusius Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 1,262 (2.99/day) Thanks: 621 Thanked 380 Times in 208 Posts System Specs	@Bo$$ I don't want to see anything like that either, I just am not entirely sure what the elite hackers are capable of and I want to understand better. Anomynous and Lulsec didn't impress me, they shut down some stuff for what a few hours at most, maybe stole some credit card information, etc? All very minor imho, but if they had the power to shut down the internet for top retailers like Amazon or something for more than a week, that could cause quite a hiccup in the stock market or something.

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CRT/LCD Model:	Hazro HZ27WC / x3 BenQ G2222HDL Eyefinity - 5760x1080
Case:	Fractal Design Define XL
Sound Card:	Onboard / Edifier RT1600
PSU:	Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold 700W

Aug 29, 2012, 03:58 PM	#23
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Processor:	Phenom II X6 1100T @ 3.5 GHz/NB @ 3.0 GHz
Motherboard:	Asrock 770 Extreme 3
Cooling:	Thermalright Ultra120 eXtreme + Dual Fans
Memory:	Gskill Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 @1667
Video Card:	MSI 7870 HAWK GHz Edition
Hard Disk:	10101010101010101010101010101010
Optical Drive:	Sony DVDRW
CRT/LCD Model:	Samsung SyncMaster 2343BWX 23"-2048x1152 + Dell E171FPb 17"-1280x1024
Case:	Sunbeam Transformer Silver
Sound Card:	X-Fi Extreme Music + Dual Speakers/Dual Subs
PSU:	Corsair TX650
Software:	Win7Pro64 / WinXP64 + (Services Tuned)

Processor:	Intel Core i7-2600K @ 3.4 GHz
Motherboard:	ASUS P8Z68-V Pro
Memory:	3x 2048 MB Mushkin DDR3
Video Card:	ASUS GeForce GTX 670 Direct CU II TOP
Hard Disk:	Crucial C300 128 GB, WD6400AAKS 640 GB, WD15EADS 1.5 TB
Optical Drive:	BenQ DW1640
CRT/LCD Model:	Dell U3011 30", 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024
Case:	NZXT H2
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