PowerColor HD 7990 Devil 13 6144 MB

[Nihilus]

Originally Posted by BigMack70

It's a good deal faster than the 690 when the drivers are working properly.

Just read the hardware heaven review on this card. It seems TPU games are just not that friendly to this card. This card actually stomped the 690 at that site with only slightlt more power consumption.

Even with that, I still think this card is irrelevant at this point. I am also certain this monster card came from hell so let us not speak of it again.

[entropy13]

Originally Posted by Nihilus

Just read the hardware heaven review on this card. It seems TPU games are just not that friendly to this card. This card actually stomped the 690 at that site with only slightlt more power consumption.

Even with that, I still think this card is irrelevant at this point. I am also certain this monster card came from hell so let us not speak of it again.

There is a grand total of seven games in the Hardware Heaven review.

There is "only" seventeen games in the TechPowerUp! review.

Therefore it is much more likely that TPU selected games that aren't "AMD friendly", and it is therefore impossible that Hardware Heaven specifically chose some "AMD friendly" games, i.e. it is easier to choose MORE games to be a "certain kind" than it is to choose LESS games to be a "certain kind."


And as I have said, their Diablo 3 numbers are quite weird to say the least, since TPU averages MUCH more FPS at 1920x1200 than it does for Hardware Heaven at 1920x1080.

[H82LUZ73]

The cars was unusable out of the box.

Should this be

The card was unusable out of the box. ???

Right under the pics for the washers and screws.Wizz.

[pioneer]

Originally Posted by Melvis

Obviously needs better driver support that's a no brainer, in the games that do have good support it owns everything.

Very powerful card shame for poor driver support as most of the games it seem,s to be only using 1 core.

Originally Posted by moonlord

This Devil can not take over GTX690, where is the true 7990?

Originally Posted by Lionheart

My AMD fanboyish side would like to favor the HD7990 but I would still go with the GTX 690

Originally Posted by moonlord

I'll never go for nvidia, i'm a real AMD fan, i want to see some competition.

Originally Posted by HumanSmoke

I just linked the TPU review cos I wanted the site to get an extra page hit or two.
...not really. The bottom left hand PCB pic was widely circulated when the design fault came to light. Some reviews mentioned the issue -but since I'm too lazy to sift through HD 6970 reviews, here's the XS thread.
Nice close up here.

Originally Posted by Cool Mike

I have been waiting to purchase the Devil 13. I believe they are in transit to retailers now. Newegg for sure. Having Doubts now! This is their premier card and they send a defective card to a well regarded reviewer? How was this card even properly tested at the factory?
I hope this is a one time occurance.

Originally Posted by Durvelle27

or wait till AMD officially releases the HD 7990

Originally Posted by Cool Mike

My preference is AMD. Long time customer. Hope to see another review or two soon. If they are like this review I will not purchase. I owned a Powercolor 6870X2 and worked flawlessly.

Originally Posted by KainXS

damn even im suprised by how bad it runs, 7970 CF smokes this.

Originally Posted by kadeep

hardwareheeven use 12.8 driver

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/review...roduction.html

TPU with 12.7 beta driver that not support this card
they should retest it with proper driver
not show junk like this

more and more ultra AMD fan boys in this forum- i cant count them yet

i dont know how much AMD pay for them but amd choose .......... .... one's

[W1zzard]

Originally Posted by kadeep

hardwareheeven use 12.8 driver

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/review...roduction.html

TPU with 12.7 beta driver that not support this card
they should retest it with proper driver
not show junk like this

I used 12.8. Actually both are pretty much the same

There is no special driver support needed for this card. Any driver that supports HD 7970 CrossFire will work with this card, because that's that the driver thinks it is: a motherboard with a PCI-E Bridge and two HD 7970s behind it

Originally Posted by instg8r

i forgot to ask. W1zzard did you happen to test the asic quality on the chips? I don't recall seeing it in the review(or i just missed it)

60.7
63.4

Originally Posted by H82LUZ73

The cars was unusable out of the box.

Should this be

The card was unusable out of the box. ???

Right under the pics for the washers and screws.Wizz.

fixed

Originally Posted by entropy13

There is a grand total of seven games in the Hardware Heaven review.

There is "only" seventeen games in the TechPowerUp! review.

Therefore it is much more likely that TPU selected games that aren't "AMD friendly", and it is therefore impossible that Hardware Heaven specifically chose some "AMD friendly" games, i.e. it is easier to choose MORE games to be a "certain kind" than it is to choose LESS games to be a "certain kind."


And as I have said, their Diablo 3 numbers are quite weird to say the least, since TPU averages MUCH more FPS at 1920x1200 than it does for Hardware Heaven at 1920x1080.

we use the same games all the time, so nobody can say we are cherry picking games. there are huge differences in diablo 3 fps depending on where you go for your testing. don't compare absolute results between reviewers

[mtosev]

it's slower than the GTX 690.Looks like I was correct as I expected that it wouldn't be able to beat the GTX 690

[the54thvoid]

Originally Posted by pioneer

more and more ultra AMD fan boys in this forum- i cant count them yet

i dont know how much AMD pay for them but amd choose .......... .... one's

Would you like to add a post of any substance on the card itself? Or simply insult others? Your maturity is astounding. Not.

As for the card. Can't recall what tech show it was previewed in but even then it was a bit dubious (the sound was atrocious).

Have to say, despite it's raw power it's kinda pointless if it tanks in certain games because of driver support. If drivers are allowed to work 100% the 7990 shows it's the top dog. But the point is, the drivers don't work 100%.

You don't buy the most expensive cars in the world and expect them suffer random braking events every 5 miles. You shouldn't expect this from the worlds most expensive consumer gfx card either.

Without adequate drivers, imo this card sucks.

[Coffebreak]

Originally Posted by Melvis

Obviously needs better driver support that's a no brainer, in the games that do have good support it owns everything.

Very powerful card shame for poor driver support as most of the games it seem,s to be only using 1 core.

Of course it doesn't have proper support if AMD itself hasn't really put any work into the 7990's yet. If AMD finally optimizes their drivers to this card, meh.

But seriously 551W is a bit too much and too bad about the noise issues Guess I need to wait for someone else to come up with this series or wait for 8xxx series cards before upgrading.

more and more ultra AMD fan boys in this forum- i cant count them yet

i dont know how much AMD pay for them but amd choose .......... .... one's

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know that you, day after day, went to my work place, did my job and earn my paycheck to tell me what I should buy just because of benchmarks or which company I should support with my own money. This "fanboy" talk seriously needs to end.

[Crap Daddy]

It is obvious now for everybody why AMD will never launch a 7990.

[HumanSmoke]

Originally Posted by W1zzard

we use the same games all the time, so nobody can say we are cherry picking games.

A much better approach than the pseudo-advertising that HH tends to indulge in - add an AMD Gaming Evolved title with GCN super-friendly compute settings for AMD cards, 3D benching for Nvidia cards for example, and Batman AC shown as a comparison even though the game i.q. levels aren't equal*, and their perceived value based on their pricing ( the Devil 13 rated 8/10 even though no price is listed) that seldom bears any relation to reality.

10th May Nvidia card - Batman AC included
17th May AMD card- Batman AC not included
18th May Nvidia card - Batman AC included
22nd June AMD card- Batman AC not included

[DrunkenMafia]

So that's why they include a screwdriver kit with the card..... haahaa

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by Crap Daddy

It is obvious now for everybody why AMD will never launch a 7990.

To me, honestly, I don't think it makes much sense for them to do so, anyway. They deliver a single GPU that is enough for 99.9% of the users out there, for nearly every title.

Of course, you'd have to expect those users to never change any sort of in-game rendering options...

If you're part of that 0.1%, and you run Eyefinity, then you probably have two seperate cards anyway, simply because you're smart enough to know that cooling is much easier that way, and thereby noise, and end experience as well.

Personally, I think two chips on a stick is the stupidest thing ever. Seriously. Of all the things they could do...two GPUs? 3Dfx's failure wasn't enough?

Multi-GPU in itself is stupid, and barely works. I've been running it since day one, and really, nothing has changed, and it's been many years.

If i want to play a racing game, I plug in three monitors, hook up the steering wheel and crap, and I enjoy Eyefinity. When I'm done, I hook back up the 30-inch, and any other game I play on that. Yes, it's that bad. And yes, I don't expect it to change. And I'm fine with that. these new Dell U2412M monitors I got only weigh like 5 lbs.

I'd personally rather see AMD invest their time and money on bringing us a singluar better product, then many bad ones. Dealing with multiple chips on seperate silicon, while at the same time working on seperate chips in the same silicon, is just simply carrying around that old holey sweater simply because you're fond of it.

AMD has already let go...






Anyway, it seems two GPUs isn't quite enough for Eyefinity across the board anyway.

[HumanSmoke]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Multi-GPU in itself is stupid, and barely works. I've been running it since day one, and really, nothing has changed, and it's been many years.

Likewise (Voodoo 2 for 3dfx, 6800U for Nvidia, HD 3870 ATi), but at least with single GPU cards you have the option of dropping out a card (or cards) if the CFX/SLI profile is screwed and play the game on a single GPU

Duallies seem solely a dick waving exercise. Production is low ( factoring in development I doubt many turn a profit) and driver optimization/updating tends to fall off a cliff as soon as the card is eclipsed by the next best thing. I'm pretty certain that duallies exist for the sole purpose of providing the longest bar in benchmark bar graphs.

[Dj-ElectriC]

To be perfactly honest, im quicked suprised of the results...
GG NVIDIA

[eidairaman1]

ya Multi GPU on single board configs there is too many variables to consider and cant always be prevented, i feel that onboard interconnect there isnt enough bandwidth or short latency/pipes available for that. I honestly feel that AMD had the right idea in mind on not releasing a reference 7990 this go around because the 7970/GHz, 7870 etc can handle todays games and tomorrows, singular or in Crossfire. Most markets look at the 7870 or lower boards. To me dual GPU boards are just too big and inefficient in general and it dont matter how you slice it whether NV or AMD.

Originally Posted by cadaveca

To me, honestly, I don't think it makes much sense for them to do so, anyway. They deliver a single GPU that is enough for 99.9% of the users out there, for nearly every title.

Of course, you'd have to expect those users to never change any sort of in-game rendering options...

If you're part of that 0.1%, and you run Eyefinity, then you probably have two seperate cards anyway, simply because you're smart enough to know that cooling is much easier that way, and thereby noise, and end experience as well.

Personally, I think two chips on a stick is the stupidest thing ever. Seriously. Of all the things they could do...two GPUs? 3Dfx's failure wasn't enough?

Multi-GPU in itself is stupid, and barely works. I've been running it since day one, and really, nothing has changed, and it's been many years.

If i want to play a racing game, I plug in three monitors, hook up the steering wheel and crap, and I enjoy Eyefinity. When I'm done, I hook back up the 30-inch, and any other game I play on that. Yes, it's that bad. And yes, I don't expect it to change. And I'm fine with that. these new Dell U2412M monitors I got only weigh like 5 lbs.

I'd personally rather see AMD invest their time and money on bringing us a singluar better product, then many bad ones. Dealing with multiple chips on seperate silicon, while at the same time working on seperate chips in the same silicon, is just simply carrying around that old holey sweater simply because you're fond of it.

AMD has already let go...






Anyway, it seems two GPUs isn't quite enough for Eyefinity across the board anyway.

[MyTechAddiction]

Now this is where you REALLY need that 1000 watts of power

[blibba]

Wizz, you say that this is a record for Furmark power consumption, but didn't the Asus Mars II pull more?

[W1zzard]

Originally Posted by blibba

Wizz, you say that this is a record for Furmark power consumption, but didn't the Asus Mars II pull more?

you are correct, i forgot about the mars ii

[W1zzard]

added turbo mode results

[INSTG8R]

Originally Posted by W1zzard

added turbo mode results

Definitely puts in a better light against the 690. I mean who's NOT gonna run it on the Turbo BIOS?

[Fluffmeister]

How does the turbo BIOS effect the power consumption?

[RefusedAMA]

Hey Wizzard, I got a question that I cant find anywhere so far. You mentioned you can Crossfire this card with another Devil 13 for a quad setup. Can you crossfire it with a HD 7970 for a tri fire setup? Or is this card like a 690 and can only be paired with another dual card?

[ArchStupid]

Originally Posted by BigMack70

It's a good deal faster than the 690 when the drivers are working properly.

Wow, delusional fanboys.

Originally Posted by pioneer

more and more ultra AMD fan boys in this forum- i cant count them yet

i dont know how much AMD pay for them but amd choose .......... .... one's

Yep, pathetic.

[W1zzard]

Originally Posted by RefusedAMA

Hey Wizzard, I got a question that I cant find anywhere so far. You mentioned you can Crossfire this card with another Devil 13 for a quad setup. Can you crossfire it with a HD 7970 for a tri fire setup? Or is this card like a 690 and can only be paired with another dual card?

I can't test due to the slot layout on my motherboard, but I assume you should be able to do triple CF with HD 7970

[RefusedAMA]

Originally Posted by W1zzard

I can't test due to the slot layout on my motherboard, but I assume you should be able to do triple CF with HD 7970

Thank you for your quick response, I would assume that if that was not the case, it would be noted in any documentation you may have received.

Thank you again.


P.S. I would assume so too, being that this has historically been the case with past AMD products. But, being that there is no reference design and thus nothing on AMD's website to confirm this, it has me a bit weary. For me, TriFire would be more advantageous then to 690's.