Black Mesa: Source Gameplay

[Wrigleyvillain]

Originally Posted by RejZoR

They now have countdown on their webpage. If it's for the game release i'll eat my own hair...

Why don't you read a few posts above (the one from me). And get out the scissors!

[m1dg3t]

Looks too COD/BF style

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Seems like they just wanna cash in on HL success and the droves of people who have been waiting like +6yrs for the next installment.

If all they have is this standardized game format they can keep it as long as they want

[Capitan Harlock]

the news is on moddb.com http://www.moddb.com/mods/black-mesa

[Zehnsucht]

Originally Posted by m1dg3t

Looks too COD/BF style

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Seems like they just wanna cash in on HL success and the droves of people who have been waiting like +6yrs for the next installment.

If all they have is this standardized game format they can keep it as long as they want

Umm... You know they have been working on this for like 8 years?
I gave up waiting four or five years ago. Did not think I would ever see the day me playing Black Mesa.

[m1dg3t]

And they can keep working on it! Looks like a COD/BF style generic FPS pos. They can make it look as nice as they want.

I want my crowbar and gravity gun.

[Zehnsucht]

Originally Posted by m1dg3t

And they can keep working on it! Looks like a COD/BF style generic FPS pos. They can make it look as nice as they want.

I want my crowbar and gravity gun.

It's... it's... it is Half Life 1. In HD. No grav gun in HL1.

HL2 was crap compared to HL1. But maybe I have nostalgia glasses on.

[qubit]

Originally Posted by Zehnsucht

Umm... You know they have been working on this for like 8 years?
I gave up waiting four or five years ago. Did not think I would ever see the day me playing Black Mesa.

Agreed. Also, the gameplay is expected to be around 8-10 hours, with little to no replay value. There's no way it was worth the wait even if it's a grade A job. Oh well, at least it will be free.

Similarly, the same logic applies to HL3/EP3 from Valve, but even more so, because they'll charge for it, so it better be something truely epic to make it worth the wait. I don't think any game could scale to such heights to compensate for the wait after being in development hell for so damned long.

Mind you, they did alright with Duke Nukem Forever, didn't they? Kidding, I never waited for it, lol.

[Benetanegia]

People complaining about a completely free mod? Really?

At this rate I'll end up agreeing with developers. We deserve all the bad things that happen to PC gaming.

[qubit]

Originally Posted by Benetanegia

People complaining about a completely free mod? Really?

At this rate I'll end up agreeing with developers. We deserve all the bad things that happen to PC gaming.

Agreed, but damn, come on, free or not, why is it taking so long? It gets very frustrating and does make people feel jaded, me included. It's reasonable that people will want to vent a bit about it.

[Benetanegia]

Originally Posted by qubit

Agreed, but damn, come on, free or not, why is it taking so long? It gets very frustrating and does make people feel jaded, me included. It's reasonable that people will want to vent a bit about it.

Why it takes so long? Well it takes at least 2 years to professional developers to make games, real good games take 5. That's 20+ (nowadays 100+) people working 8 h a day. This is a mod, they are not paid, they can't devote 8 h a day to making it (for the sake of sanity) and I doubt they were 20 people, more like 10.

I've been involved in mod development. It's fun, until it becomes too serious (is there anythng more serious than making a remake of HL1??), internal "deadlines" are set, and there's high expectations (quality expected everywhere), etc. Then it becomes a nightmare. It's your free time and instead of playing or being with family members, you have to spend a significant amount of time, doing the exact same thing you do on work, with deadlines and expectations that resemble way too much your actual work, despite suposedly being a hobby. No one really sets these expectations and deadlines, other than you yourself and your partners, but at this point you do feel like you HAVE to go through all of that, because there's people waiting for the mod and you want to succeed and finish it. In comparison to BMS, it was a very small mods I was involved in for HL1 and UT, and the audience was very very small, I can only imagine the nightmare that the BMS team has gone through.

So no, I don't think it's reasonable to criticize their work in that manner. I'm mostly talking about midget here tho (no offense). I think it's reasonable to ask when it's going to be released, etc. But to complain about the quality or the gameplay and whatnot... I think it's essential to first ask yourself if you would go through all of that, and how much of your life would you be willing to devote to it, before even commenting on the issue. It's taken them 8 years, yeah, "wtf I had to wait 8 years", right? No. Read the above paragraph again and think of it from their perspective, yeah, it's been 8 fucking years!!! Be grateful or stfu ffs... (again no offense to anyone)

[qubit]

Originally Posted by Benetanegia

Why it takes so long? Well it takes at least 2 years to professional developers to make games, real good games take 5. That's 20+ (nowadays 100+) people working 8 h a day. This is a mod, they are not paid, they can't devote 8 h a day to making it (for the sake of sanity) and I doubt they were 20 people, more like 10.

I've been involved in mod development. It's fun, until it becomes too serious (is there anythng more serious than making a remake of HL1??), internal "deadlines" are set, and there's high expectations (quality expected everywhere), etc. Then it becomes a nightmare. It's your free time and instead of playing or being with family members, you have to spend a significant amount of time, doing the exact same thing you do on work, with deadlines and expectations that resemble way too much your actual work, despite suposedly being a hobby. No one really sets these expectations and deadlines, other than you yourself and your partners, but at this point you do feel like you HAVE to go through all of that, because there's people waiting for the mod and you want to succeed and finish it. In comparison to BMS, it was a very small mods I was involved in for HL1 and UT, and the audience was very very small, I can only imagine the nightmare that the BMS team has gone through.

So no, I don't think it's reasonable to criticize their work in that manner. I'm mostly talking about midget here tho (no offense). I think it's reasonable to ask when it's going to be released, etc. But to complain about the quality or the gameplay and whatnot... I think it's essential to first ask yourself if you would go through all of that, and how much of your life would you be willing to devote to it, before even commenting on the issue. It's taken them 8 years, yeah, "wtf I had to wait 8 years", right? No. Read the above paragraph again and think of it from their perspective, yeah, it's been 8 fucking years!!! Be grateful or stfu ffs... (again no offense to anyone)

Thanks man, that's a great explanation.

As you say, a mod is one thing, but here they're recreating the whole game, a different ball game.

On top of all this self-sacrifice, they'll never even get paid for all that effort! I have to admit that I wouldn't be motivated to finish something as big as this in my spare time for no financial compensation. Fuck it.

Given all this, I can see why it would take forever to finish. In the light of all this, it's not such an unreasonably long time to wait for it. I'll certainly be making my PayPal donation for this.

[ShiBDiB]

http://www.strategyinformer.com/news...r-release-date


The first part of the game... what a sham.. 8 years to make 8 hours worth of single player

[jmcslob]

I think it's funny that the YouTube video still says 2009 LOL!
http://www.youtube.com/user/blackmesasourcemedia

[Benetanegia]

Originally Posted by jmcslob

I think it's funny that the YouTube video still says 2009 LOL!
http://www.youtube.com/user/blackmesasourcemedia

I think that was the video posted in 2009. It showd the state of the mod in 2009, not that it would be released in 2009. They've never given any release date afaik. Only "when it's done".

[jmcslob]

I will download this game and enjoy it...
Late or not WHATEVER! right...
I was watching the videos of the testing and I see how much work they put into this...I bet it will be fun and I also don't think we'll ever see a HL3 or HL2 ep3

[qubit]

Originally Posted by jmcslob

I also don't think we'll ever see a HL3 or HL2 ep3

I think it's odd that Valve never bothered making it, considering how popular the game is and how many awards it has won. They know they'd have an instant hit. Odd, very odd.

Still, I reckon we will see it eventually, just like we did with Duke Nukem Forever - but hopefully we won't have to wait that long and it'll be a much better effort.

[TheOne]

Personally I think that one of the biggest hold-ups was probably them waiting for "HL2: EP3" to see if they would re-visit "Xen" so they could match their designs, especially since they are only releasing the chapters up until the last four; "Xen", "Gonarch's Lair", "Interloper", and "Nihilanth" are still in-development.

[stinger608]

Personally I think it is going to be great to play this!!! Only a little over 10 more days to wait.........

[xxdozer322]

FML i still havent passed HL2

[Phusius]

didn't realize this half-life 1 remake was called black mesa source, sorry e-rocker, otherwise I wouldn't have made another topic...

[fritoking]

Originally Posted by Zehnsucht

It's... it's... it is Half Life 1. In HD. No grav gun in HL1.

HL2 was crap compared to HL1. But maybe I have nostalgia glasses on.

[EiSFX]

i remember waiting for this mod since i first read about it on moddb before they even had there own website or anything

[Bjorn_Of_Iceland]

So excited for this! .

[TheOne]

Originally Posted by Phusius

didn't realize this half-life 1 remake was called black mesa source, sorry e-rocker, otherwise I wouldn't have made another topic...

It was originally called Black Mesa: Source, but years ago Valve asked them to remove Source from the title to avoid any confusion on who made it, its now just Black Mesa.

[RejZoR]

Originally Posted by qubit

Thanks man, that's a great explanation.

As you say, a mod is one thing, but here they're recreating the whole game, a different ball game.

On top of all this self-sacrifice, they'll never even get paid for all that effort! I have to admit that I wouldn't be motivated to finish something as big as this in my spare time for no financial compensation. Fuck it.

Given all this, I can see why it would take forever to finish. In the light of all this, it's not such an unreasonably long time to wait for it. I'll certainly be making my PayPal donation for this.

Actually that's not true. It takes long to develop a game from scratch. You have to first outline what you even want to do, concept images, concept graphics, game plot, problems during development, decisions during production etc etc. Things can go as far as how green should the grass be or should commandos soldiers have green camo or the grey urban camo.
All this can accumulate loads of work time.

In case of Black Mesa, they had everything done already, they just had to remake it. Which still requires time, granted, but nowhere near as much as doing it from scratch.