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[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

Originally Posted by AthlonX2

if you need a cpu cooler i have two you can choose from and ill give it to you for the cost of shipping

what coolers do you have? I think my current one is a bit dated for my CPU. Might make it run better if i can keep it cooler.

[TacoTown]

Originally Posted by Benetanegia

That is not CPU bottleneck. It's something else. Have you tried different drivers?

It's because Arma 2 Is utter shit, thousands of people all have this problem, and there is almost nothing the user can do to fix it. It seems to go away after a while anyway.

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

Originally Posted by Durvelle27

is your cpu overclocked

nope it is stock clocked. I dont think my cooler can support OCing the 8120.

[AthlonX2]

Originally Posted by Killer_Rubber_Ducky

what coolers do you have? I think my current one is a bit dated for my CPU. Might make it run better if i can keep it cooler.

Arctic i30,and Arctic Freezer 13 Pro

[Benetanegia]

Originally Posted by TacoTown

It's because Arma 2 Is utter shit, thousands of people all have this problem, and there is almost nothing the user can do to fix it. It seems to go away after a while anyway.

It might be.

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

Ok so, which GPU is better bang for buck that should last me another couple of years (my 5850 is ~3 years old) the 660 TI or the 670?

[Durvelle27]

a FX can be oced to 4.2GHz on stock so you should be fine. to get the most performance out of a FX cpu you must oc. a HD 7950 would be the best bang for your buck

edit: i had my cpu oced @4.4GHz on stock with no problems upgraded to a hyper 212+ so i could go higher but board wouldn't let me

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by Killer_Rubber_Ducky

Ok so, which GPU is better bang for buck that should last me another couple of years (my 5850 is ~3 years old) the 660 TI or the 670?

7870, 7950, 7970, 660Ti, 670, 580 look at your shop, compare price/perf with wiz's charts, and then get one. Adjust accordingly if you are thinking CF/SLi, power consumption etc.

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

Originally Posted by Durvelle27

a FX can be oced to 4.2GHz on stock so you should be fine. to get the most performance out of a FX cpu you must oc. a HD 7950 would be the best bang for your buck

edit: i had my cpu oced @4.4GHz on stock with no problems upgraded to a hyper 212+ so i could go higher but board wouldn't let me

On my current cooler I just OC'd to 3673 Mhz @ 237x15.5

Any higher and it fails.

[erocker]

Buying new hardware isn't going to fix your problem. First, follow this guide: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=52502

Make sure Windows is up to date.
Make sure your motherboard chipset drivers are installed: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownloa...d_windows.aspx

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

Originally Posted by erocker

Buying new hardware isn't going to fix your problem. First, follow this guide: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=52502

Make sure Windows is up to date.
Make sure your motherboard chipset drivers are installed: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownloa...d_windows.aspx

windows is up to date and all the drivers are too. i just updated the GPU drivers again just to make sure.

[MxPhenom 216]

Just get this card and be done with it. GTX670 with GTX680 PCB for $390 Free Shipping.

EVGA 02G-P4-2676-KR GeForce GTX 670 FTW LE 2GB 256...

Along with some CPU overclocking.

[Durvelle27]

Originally Posted by Killer_Rubber_Ducky

On my current cooler I just OC'd to 3673 Mhz @ 237x15.5

Any higher and it fails.

ok try this FSB 200 and multiplier 21x

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by Durvelle27

ok try this FSB 200 and multiplier 21x

He may need some voltage tweaking on other things other then the vcore now though too.

[MT Alex]

What in the heck? I thought you already purchased a 670 that wasn't running right? You didn't get a new one and just returned it? Why do I constantly find myself asking you these type of questions?

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by MT Alex

What in the heck? I thought you already purchased a 670 that wasn't running right? You didn't get a new one and just returned it? Why do I constantly find myself asking you these type of questions?

Because he doesn't listen to anything we tell him directly in TS. LOL

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

Originally Posted by MT Alex

What in the heck? I thought you already purchased a 670 that wasn't running right? You didn't get a new one and just returned it? Why do I constantly find myself asking you these type of questions?

you dont listen on TS when i tell you. ^_^

Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

Because he doesn't listen to anything we tell him directly in TS. LOL

Actually i do. If you read or listened to anything i say ( like usual you dont), you would have noticed that i mentioned that my laptop for school died so when my GPU failed because it was factory underclocked instead of factory overclocked, I sent it back to newegg for refund and replaced my laptop instead.

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by Killer_Rubber_Ducky

you dont listen on TS when i tell you. ^_^



Actually i do. If you read or listened to anything i say ( like usual you dont), you would have noticed that i mentioned that my laptop for school died so when my GPU failed because it was factory underclocked instead of factory overclocked, I sent it back to newegg for refund and replaced my laptop instead.

No i read and know about all of that. What I don't know and don't remember you ever saying is did you even attempt to fix the underclocking issue. I had the same issue with my 680 till I updated to newer Beta drivers and updated to the new version of Evga Precision X. It would cap at about 750mhz in games and everything else till I did all that. Now it runs at 1200.

[erocker]

Folks telling you to upgrade your hardware have no clue what they are talking about here. 14% GPU usage is not a bottleneck, it is a problem with your system and most likely software/driver related.

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

No i read and know about all of that. What I don't know and don't remember you ever saying is did you even attempt to fix the underclocking issue. I had the same issue with my 680 till I updated to newer Beta drivers and updated to the new version of Evga Precision X. It would cap at about 750mhz in games and everything else till I did all that. Now it runs at 1200.

yes i tried new drivers with no luck

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by Killer_Rubber_Ducky

yes i tried new drivers with no luck

Did you try updating what you were using to monitor the GPU clocks? Like i said updated Precision X corrected it.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by Benetanegia

Not really. Less power but concentrated on a smaller area results in higher temps.

However it's the crappy paste instead of solder what makes temps high afaik.

Try popping the lid, and it's fine.

I find most reports of high temps are running 1.3 V through these chips...THAT is why they "run hot".

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

I will have to disagree with you there, 2500K does indeed run cooler than the 3570 due to the poor heat dissipating powers of the 3570K. My 25w soldering iron is far hotter than my 65w cpu, care to explain that?

Really? Why don't YOU explain it?


Ivybridge doesn't have ANY heat issues. It's even got a higher tjMAX, yet lower TDP. Have you even used one of these chips?

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

But yes, the 3570K is superior compared to the 2500K in almost all measures, only if you choose to utilise them. Getting 1600Mhz ram? Not too much different between 2500k/3570K. Using 1866Mhz ram? 3570K wins hands down. You have a good heatsink? 3570K clocks almost as good as 2500K, and wins hands down. Sticking with stock clocks? 3570K stock is better than 2500K stock.

Again, memory write performance with some workloads, at all speeds, is much better on Ivy then Sandy...to the tune of 33%.

Originally Posted by erocker

14% GPU usage is not a bottleneck, it is a problem with your system and most likely software/driver related.

This ^.

Figure out why you are only getting 14% GPU usage instead of much more, and you'll find the problem affecting ARMA II performance.

Your CPU does in fact bottleneck your GPU a bit, in comparison to Intel chips, with their higher memory bandwidth, and yes, it affects framerates in a few games. However, as I psoted above, F1 2010 performs FASTER, with a much "slower" CPU, so don't choose a single title as the reason to just write off your current system.



If I was you, I'd save up until I could buy a COMPLETE new system...motherboard, GPU, memory, PSU, HDD...ALL OF IT. What you have now is not optimal, but it's more than fine for what you need it for.

[MxPhenom 216]

Ducky if your getting 14% GPU usage in games I think you should just reformat your system and install windows cleanly. Theres something really messed up going on that I dont think jsut updating drivers is going to change. You most likely still have your nvidia drivers(from 670), old AMD drivers from however old ago, etc that is causing your issues. And no amount of Registry changes, Driver Sweeping can't really change.

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

Ducky if your getting 14% GPU usage in games I think you should just reformat your system and install windows cleanly. Theres something really messed up going on that I dont think jsut updating drivers is going to change. You most likely still have your nvidia drivers(from 670), old AMD drivers from however old ago, etc that is causing your issues. And no amount of Registry changes, Driver Sweeping can't really change.

I can assure you it is not that (old GPU nvidia drivers). but if you are sure it is that I'd be more than willing to let someone poke around remotely.

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by Killer_Rubber_Ducky

I can assure you it is not that (old GPU nvidia drivers). but if you are sure it is that I'd be more than willing to let someone poke around remotely.

Did you do a clean windows install when you put the HD5850 back in? Id not then the nvidia drivers may be cause your problem.