Recommended IPS?

[hat]

I'm thinking about getting a new monitor soon, as mine seems to be on its way out... but if I get a new monitor, I want it to be the higher quality IPS panel. As a gamer, I'm also looking for a reasonably low response time. My current monitor is 5ms, and I never saw any issues with it, so anything 5ms or under, unless someone can really convince me that a higher response time is okay. I may even want to jump for a 120hz display. It doesn't need to be huge, 22" is fine.

[MxPhenom 216]

Dell U2412M 24" IPS monitor. Love mine.

[Kantastic]

The response time is going to come at a premium. What's the budget anyway?

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by Kantastic

The response time is going to come at a premium. What's the budget anyway?

my U2412M has 6ms response time and i dont notice a difference compared to my samsung TN panel that did 2ms and the Dell is usually $300

[Kantastic]

Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

my U2412M has 6ms response time and i dont notice a difference compared to my samsung TN panel that did 2ms and the Dell is usually $300

Okay convince him.

[Frag Maniac]

Most IPS are around 5-6ms response, and you won't likely notice the difference between the two. Focus more on how much input lag it has, esp if you play shooters online or any fighter or race games.

If you want both IPS and 120Hz, no such thing exists from the factory or via warranty after OCing, but some can be OCed to that. Some Yamikasi Catleaps are OCable to 120Hz, and there's a guy in So Cal that's going to be taking the same panels and selling 120Hz OCable versions under the brand Overlord.

The Yamikasi and Overlord monitors are 27" with a 2560x1440 res though, so you need a fairly powerful GPU. The Overlord OCable 27" are $440 for the CCFL, and $465 for the LED version.

Running a 120Hz display at 2560x1440 is no small task though. It involves pushing over 3 mill pixels with a high end GPU, and Nvidia's pixel clock limitation means their cards will top out at around 84Hz.

Here's a full explanation of what it takes to achieve 120Hz on a high end IPS display. The only displays that come in 120Hz from the factory have TN type panels. They are fast for gaming, but have tradeoffs as far as bit depth of color, viewing angles, etc.

http://www.overlordcomputer.com/Over...iew_s/1825.htm

Given the smaller Dell U2412 runs at least $300, a higher res, 27" that is OCable to 120Hz for $440 is quite a good deal really. Even if you have to run it at 1920x1080 until you can get a better GPU, it's a good investment. These displays have a very tight .233mm pixel pitch at 2560x1440, so it's still very acceptable even at 1920x1080.

[eidairaman1]

In all honesty if youre using photo editing/ medical work software a IPS would be needed, but if youre gaming it really isnt, but its your money so spend it how you like, Im only trying to save you money. a TN is best for everything other than Photo Edit or Medical work...

just my -0.02-

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

In all honesty if youre using photo editing/ medical work software a IPS would be needed, but if youre gaming it really isnt, but its your money so spend it how you like, Im only trying to save you money. a TN is best for everything other than Photo Edit or Medical work...

just my -0.02-

IM a PC gamer and I got an IPS screen and its so much better then TN. Colors and contrast is 10x better.

[eidairaman1]

Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

IM a PC gamer and I got an IPS screen and its so much better then TN. Colors and contrast is 10x better.

ya and what is it that you do for work if i may ask

[DanishDevil]

I'm sure this is much more than you're willing to spend, but I chose my monitor very carefully. I wanted a 2560x1600 IPS panel with incredibly low response time. For 30" IPS, the Dells are by far the most popular, but their multiple input options, OSD, and scalar introduce a lot of lag. My HP ZR30w was chosen specifically because it lacked those options, which gave it a very fast response time for a 30" IPS panel. I only have DL-DVI and DP inputs, a source button, power button, and brightness up and down buttons that don't even display an OSD, but I couldn't be happier.

I've been a competitive FPS gamer in the past, so if this thing had a lot of input lag, I would have noticed. One great web site to read is tftcentral.co.uk (they don't have all the panels reviewed, but put them through extensive testing).



Unfortunately, they haven't reviewed my monitor, but that image was enough for me to shy away from the Dell U3011.

[hat]

I'm getting ready to kill myself (not literally) by working 8? maybe more 12 hour days in a row during a blackout at the steel mill. At the end of it all I'll have over $1000 from doing that, so I want a nice monitor.

Okay, so I can't get a 120hz IPS (not without "overclocking" it). What's the fastest IPS panel I can get then? I don't want a huge monitor... the 5870 still holds up well, but I don't need that big of a screen. I'm really looking for something like a 22".

[eidairaman1]

Originally Posted by hat

I'm getting ready to kill myself (not literally) by working 8? maybe more 12 hour days in a row during a blackout at the steel mill. At the end of it all I'll have over $1000 from doing that, so I want a nice monitor.

Okay, so I can't get a 120hz IPS. What's the fastest IPS panel I can get then?

I was used to working 12 hr shifts 5-7 days straight depending on what was going on, just means resting up

[DanishDevil]

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2312hm.htm

[Frag Maniac]

Really, no need to get snotty. IPS DO produce a better picture than the 6 bit TN panels, and those whom don't notice it or aren't familiar with it don't know what they're missing. It doesn't take pro photo or medical work to notice the differences either, you can see it in a lot of games and even web surfing.

Some more facts on the 27" IPS units by Yamakasi and Overlord. Many run their Catleaps at 100Hz (which is the Euro standard for 120Hz). A typical example of a 100Hz driven 2560x1440 Catleap is a dual SLI setup using two 670s.

So now you're probably wondering what about that Nvidia 84Hz limitation? Well, turns out it's only with the 305 version drivers. The 301 version drivers have no such limitation. The concern is whether Nvidia will continue enforcing such limitations with the drivers, so both 120Hz.net and Tweakforce.com are working on solutions, the latter via custom drivers.

You can read about it here: http://120hz.net/content.php?125-Do-...y-Nvidia-Cards!

[INSTG8R]

Originally Posted by Frag Maniac

Most IPS are around 5-6ms response, and you won't likely notice the difference between the two. Focus more on how much input lag it has, esp if you play shooters online or any fighter or race games.

If you want both IPS and 120Hz, no such thing exists from the factory or via warranty after OCing, but some can be OCed to that. Some Yamikasi Catleaps are OCable to 120Hz, and there's a guy in So Cal that's going to be taking the same panels and selling 120Hz OCable versions under the brand Overlord.

The Yamikasi and Overlord monitors are 27" with a 2560x1440 res though, so you need a fairly powerful GPU. The Overlord OCable 27" are $440 for the CCFL, and $465 for the LED version.

Running a 120Hz display at 2560x1440 is no small task though. It involves pushing over 3 mill pixels with a high end GPU, and Nvidia's pixel clock limitation means their cards will top out at around 84Hz.

Here's a full explanation of what it takes to achieve 120Hz on a high end IPS display. The only displays that come in 120Hz from the factory have TN type panels. They are fast for gaming, but have tradeoffs as far as bit depth of color, viewing angles, etc.

http://www.overlordcomputer.com/Over...iew_s/1825.htm

Given the smaller Dell U2412 runs at least $300, a higher res, 27" that is OCable to 120Hz for $440 is quite a good deal really. Even if you have to run it at 1920x1080 until you can get a better GPU, it's a good investment. These displays have a very tight .233mm pixel pitch at 2560x1440, so it's still very acceptable even at 1920x1080.

Damn these things just get more and more drool worthy

[hat]

Seems like I gotta decide if I want a 120hz display or an IPS panel. And why the hell would Nvidia limit their cards to only run at 84hz? That's a real reason to buy another AMD card when I do upgrade the 5870 and not go with Nvidia...

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by hat

I'm getting ready to kill myself (not literally) by working 8? maybe more 12 hour days in a row during a blackout at the steel mill. At the end of it all I'll have over $1000 from doing that, so I want a nice monitor.

Okay, so I can't get a 120hz IPS (not without "overclocking" it). What's the fastest IPS panel I can get then? I don't want a huge monitor... the 5870 still holds up well, but I don't need that big of a screen. I'm really looking for something like a 22".

Check out Dells 27" IPS

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...ynote_irrank=0

If i had my way. Id get this monitor and a 2nd GTX680

[eidairaman1]

Originally Posted by hat

Seems like I gotta decide if I want a 120hz display or an IPS panel. And why the hell would Nvidia limit their cards to only run at 84hz? That's a real reason to buy another AMD card when I do upgrade the 5870 and not go with Nvidia...

because of a bug they discovered after manufacture

[qubit]

Originally Posted by hat

I'm getting ready to kill myself (not literally) by working 8? maybe more 12 hour days in a row during a blackout at the steel mill. At the end of it all I'll have over $1000 from doing that, so I want a nice monitor.

Okay, so I can't get a 120hz IPS (not without "overclocking" it). What's the fastest IPS panel I can get then? I don't want a huge monitor... the 5870 still holds up well, but I don't need that big of a screen. I'm really looking for something like a 22".

There's only 60Hz or 120Hz, nothing inbetween. Some monitors will accept a 75Hz signal, but it's often downsampled to 60Hz to drive the screen, giving severe motion artefacts, visible even with the mouse pointer. My Iiyama does this and it looks crap.

[Frag Maniac]

Originally Posted by hat

...why the hell would Nvidia limit their cards to only run at 84hz?

Likely for reasons of performance consistency, longevity, reliable SLI performance, which is likely related specifically to their Turbo Boost, since it's been implemented only with v305 drivers. You CAN run into stability issues the higher the pixel rate. My opinion is that they should at least offer beta drivers and/or an option in the NCP that removes the limitation.

If they feel it's too much of a risk for their vendors to honor warranty with unlocked drivers, then make it so the vendors can see whether the card has been run that way and let them decide how to handle RMAs.

So no, you don't HAVE to decide 120Hz TN or 60Hz IPS, but with 120Hz IPS, there are much more complexities. It would be nice if at least SOMEONE would offer a 1920x1080 IPS in say 100Hz, but again, you can if you wish run a Catleap or Overlord at 1920x1080 and still get a fairly tight pixel pitch. The OCable ones (v2b Catleap or OC version Overloard) would also easily handle that res at 100Hz or above too.

[Frag Maniac]

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

because of a bug they discovered after manufacture

Speculation or fact? Any sources?

@qubit,
Not true, get on 120Hz.net and you will see lots of people pushing anywhere from 85Hz on up to 120Hz on their Catleap v2b displays. Also, Euro models of displays commonly come in 100Hz. It's all in how the PCB is made.

@Mx,
$900 for a 60Hz locked display of the same size and res you can get an OCable version for at half the price is not what I'd call a good deal.

[qubit]

Originally Posted by Frag Maniac

@qubit,
Not true, get on 120Hz.net and you will see lots of people pushing anywhere from 85Hz on up to 120Hz on their Catleap v2b displays. Also, Euro models of displays commonly come in 100Hz. It's all in how the PCB is made.

Yes, it is true. Those are specialist modded monitors, so they don't count. I'm talking out of the box, manufactured for higher refresh rates, but not 120Hz. Note that a the specs might say that a monitor might accept 75-85-90Hz whatever. However, they're highly unlikely to tell you whether it actually refreshes the screen at those rates, which is highly unlikely - and the ones that do are mighty rare and damned hard to check for. Note that a 120Hz monitor will accept those lower refresh rates and actually refresh the screen at those rates too.

[eidairaman1]

Originally Posted by Frag Maniac

Speculation or fact? Any sources?

@qubit,
Not true, get on 120Hz.net and you will see lots of people pushing anywhere from 85Hz on up to 120Hz on their Catleap v2b displays. Also, Euro models of displays commonly come in 100Hz. It's all in how the PCB is made.

@Mx,
$900 for a 60Hz locked display of the same size and res you can get an OCable version for at half the price is not what I'd call a good deal.

Speculation of it.

Reading further it seems to be 1440x900 actually

but this seems to be a common thing acutally

http://120hz.net/archive/index.php/t-576.html?

[erocker]

Night and day difference with an IPS panel with gaming and anything else, really. For 1920x1080p I would go with the Dell for sure. Btw the Catleap 2B models arent made anymore. The "B" stands for the month of February.

[qubit]

Originally Posted by erocker

Night and day difference with an IPS panel with gaming and anything else, really. For 1920x1080p I would go with the Dell for sure. Btw the Catleap 2B models arent made anymore. The "B" stands for the month of February.

I'm sure it is and I'd love to see it.