NEW! Wii-U Will Feature ATI GPU

alexsubri · Sep 13, 2012, 08:48 PM

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The Wii U GPU specs have yet to be announced, but based on developer comments and on the already available design sheets from AMD, we can estimate the following features for the graphics chip:
Based on Radeon HD 5000 “Evergreen” series
Built on 40nm manufacturing technology
Unified shader architecture
GDDR5 memory support (memory is likely to be shared with CPU and system)
Shader count: 400 unified shaders (rumored)
75 GB/S bandwidth
Low power design, 50W TDP
Full 1080p, 60 frames per second support
The Wii U GPU has been in development since 2010 according to sources, and it’s likely that AMD created a highly specialized chip for Nintendo, with many modern features incorporated into the 3 year old Evergreen design.

Sauce

3870x2 · Sep 13, 2012, 08:53 PM

Great! already off to a disappointing start!

TheMailMan78 · Sep 13, 2012, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 3870x2

Great! already off to a disappointing start!

Why? The 360 is based off of a X1900. 5000 series is a nice upgrade if true.

AlienIsGOD · Sep 13, 2012, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Why? The 360 is based off of a X1900. 5000 series is a nice upgrade if true.

agreed

cheesy999 · Sep 13, 2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 3870x2

Great! already off to a disappointing start!

It's a Nintendo console, were you honestly expecting something state of the art in the graphics department?

At the end of the day most of the people who buy a Nintendo console do so for the exclusive games anyway so it's of little loss.

If you are concerned about the graphics chips the consoles are using just take this as the absolute minimum the other consoles will have, and realistically expect them to have ones 2-3 times as fast.

I'll probably still buy it, the 3ds games can look amazing, I want to see what Nintendo can do with this.

alexsubri · Sep 13, 2012, 09:04 PM

xbox 720 is already getting delayed to at least early 2014...ps4 won't release until late 2014-2015

TheMailMan78 · Sep 13, 2012, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cheesy999

It's a Nintendo console, were you honestly expecting something state of the art in the graphics department?

At the end of the day most of the people who buy a Nintendo console do so for the exclusive games anyway so it's of little loss.

If you are concerned about the graphics chips the consoles are using just take this as the absolute minimum the other consoles will have, and realistically expect them to have ones 2-3 times as fast.

And you would be wrong about "3 times as fast". They have already said they will not be doing a "major" upgrade this generation. Also did you know the WiiU uses BluRay? Yup 25GB disks and all.

cheesy999 · Sep 13, 2012, 09:12 PM

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And you would be wrong about "3 times as fast". They have already said they will not be doing a "major" upgrade this generation. Also did you know the WiiU uses BluRay?

That's news to me about the other consoles, thanks

I heard about the blu-ray, apparently it's a faster read speed then the ps3, which should be nice presuming it doesn't gain the Xbox problem of having a really loud disc drive because of a high spin speed.

I was surprised about the OS having 1gb out of the 2gb ram to itself, but in my opinion i think some of it'll end up as a disc cache to speed up the level loading and some other things

AlienIsGOD · Sep 16, 2012, 01:34 PM

i find it annoying that the optical drive is based of Blu Ray tech, yet unable to play Blu rays or DVDS for movie playback.

Recus · Sep 16, 2012, 02:03 PM

james888 · Sep 16, 2012, 02:40 PM

What was that E3 footage taken from. I hope not the wiiU

_JP_ · Sep 16, 2012, 02:57 PM

So it's a HD 5570/5670 with GDDR5 @ ~1170MHz. At least, it uses DX11. I hope they install enough RAM in it, since it's going to be shared too.

radrok · Sep 16, 2012, 03:13 PM

Well this is a nice jump if true, anyway I will buy the console only because of Zelda, just like I did with the Wii so I don't care if graphics will be subpar.
And let's be honest, Nintendo games are praised because of their gameplay not for the saucy graphics

Zubasa · Sep 16, 2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by radrok

Well this is a nice jump if true, anyway I will buy the console only because of Zelda, just like I did with the Wii so I don't care if graphics will be subpar.
And let's be honest, Nintendo games are praised because of their gameplay not for the saucy graphics

And TBH console graphics are always sub-par in the last decade or so.

People buys consoles because they just need to turn on the machine and it plays, or use it as a blu-ray player in the case of the PS3.

TRWOV · Sep 16, 2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by _JP_

So it's a HD 5570/5670 with GDDR5 @ ~1170MHz. At least, it uses DX11. I hope they install enough RAM in it, since it's going to be shared too.

2GB, 1GB of "game memory" and 1GB of "system memory". I assume "game memory" is VRAM.

Velvet Wafer · Sep 16, 2012, 04:26 PM

i just cant understand, why they "developed" a chip that basically was already existant, for 3 more years...lol

TRWOV · Sep 16, 2012, 04:29 PM

The Xbox 360 GPU was based on an existing design (R500) but with added features. More likely than not, it's the same with the Wii U.

AlienIsGOD · Sep 16, 2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet Wafer

i just cant understand, why they "developed" a chip that basically was already existant, for 3 more years...lol

cause thats how it goes with consoles, they tape things out waaay sooner than pc's, hence why the hardware is always behind the times.

@ Trwov, agreed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenos_(graphics_chip)

FierceRed · Sep 16, 2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by alexsubri

xbox 720 is already getting delayed to at least early 2014...ps4 won't release until late 2014-2015

Source?

radrok · Sep 16, 2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Zubasa

And TBH console graphics are always sub-par in the last decade or so.
People buys consoles because they just need to turn on the machine and it plays, or use it as a blu-ray player in the case of the PS3.

You are right but remember that you forgot a third category

people who are forced to buy them just because of some console exclusive titles

I'd avoid purchasing any console if every game I liked was available to PC platform but sometimes it is not like this

AlienIsGOD · Sep 16, 2012, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by radrok

people who are forced to buy them just because of some console exclusive titles

umm F That group, i still refuse to buy a console just to play EA NHL series. 09 is too old to play on pc and until they (if) come back to pc, i refuse to spend $300 + for 1 game franchise.

lilhasselhoffer · Sep 16, 2012, 06:40 PM

Consoles, by nature, have to be in development for years. They have to develop an OS, balance pricing features, and thus are stuck with technology that was "new" when the cycle began. All of this makes sense.

I buy a console I expect:
1) Instant gaming
2) 0 technical issues
3) Uniform graphics
4) Ability to play games with only a disc, and no installations

I buy a PC expecting:
1) The best graphics
2) The most accurate input
3) Installation issues
4) Patches. Lots if it's a Bethesda title...

The problem is that MS, Sony, and Nintendo are all moving towards the negatives of PC gaming, without getting better. PSN and Live are painfully backwards. Online codes put up a wall between me and my games. The installation of a game on my hard drive might speed things up, but there are still painfully long loading time.

Nintendo announcing that they are finally moving to game discs larger than a fly's nut is nice. Having a graphics card that can actually drive a 1920x1080 monitor is nice. The problem is that nice won't cut it. Nintendo needs to step up and either integrate itself better into the media center role, or function like an old school console (and just work). MS and Sony both understand that 1080p is a minimum graphical requirement, but they are still working on the experience.

For the time being, the trade-offs for PC gaming are better than that of consoles. Less unique AAA titles, but I'll take less exclusive games as long as they actually work.

Super XP · Sep 16, 2012, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Why? The 360 is based off of a X1900. 5000 series is a nice upgrade if true.

Yes nice upgrade from the Xbox 360,but still ages behind the superior PC.

james888 · Sep 17, 2012, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by radrok

Well this is a nice jump if true, anyway I will buy the console only because of Zelda, just like I did with the Wii so I don't care if graphics will be subpar.
And let's be honest, Nintendo games are praised because of their gameplay not for the saucy graphics

Now imagine that same great gameplay but with equally great graphics.... One can dream.

BumbleBee · Sep 17, 2012, 02:56 AM

ZombiU and Assassin's Creed III are supposed to run 1920x1080 @ 60 FPS on the Wii U. I don't know why games are looking bad..

another cool thing is the ROM speed is 22mb/s (PS3 is 9mb/s) so you don't have to install games.

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