New Japanese Law Jails Illegal Downloaders for 2 Years

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by RejZoR

It sucks the most when 3/4 of all services say "Your country isn't supported". If they can't supply legal service to us then fuck them. It's not my problem if they can't supply the goods so they have NO right to prosecute me.

Maybe your government is at fault and not them? Just sayin'

[Capitan Harlock]

this things is like the case of megaupload and megavideo but close in the country,japan is not poor, this is only an excuse ,like in every country of the world if you have the right money for the cost of life you dont pirate , its a system guys ,usa have fake freedom ,other countrys the same ,here in italy is like alice in wornderland in the bad way but you have a little of freedom about this things ,the freedom is only in the nature or isolated places ,open your eyes guys xd

[3870x2]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

I grew up poor. Very poor. No reason to be poor. If you can't make it then where the hell do you expect to and when does it become an individuals responsibility? Not everyone can be an astronaut. Someones gotta clean toilets. Government handouts are slavery.

Wish I didn't have to pay out that much. Atleast with my two kids, I won't have to pay anything in at the beginning of the year. Might even get something back, who knows.

You can still be working and be poor. you would have to work 70 hours a week to pay rent, insurance (health and car) and food at minimum wage.

That being said, Florida requiring drug tests before they get goverment handouts are a huge step forward.

"If we are going to give you free money, just dont spend it on illegal drugs"
So far, only florida though.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by 3870x2

Wish I didn't have to pay out that much. Atleast with my two kids, I won't have to pay anything in at the beginning of the year. Might even get something back, who knows.

You can still be working and be poor. you would have to work 70 hours a week to pay rent, insurance (health and car) and food at minimum wage.

That being said, Florida requiring drug tests before they get goverment handouts are a huge step forward.

"If we are going to give you free money, just dont spend it on illegal drugs"
So far, only florida though.

Yeah and that law is being fought tooth and nail here also. Its madness. Less taxes and smaller less powerful government is the only answer. Problem is people in power will never let it go. So they keep handing out entitlements to keep the masses happy. Whoever robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on Pauls vote in the election. Hell some states requested the waiver to remove the work requirement from welfare. That just set us back 40 years. Gotta keep the hand outs commin. lol

[3870x2]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Yeah and that law is being fought tooth and nail here also. Its madness. Less taxes and smaller less powerful government is the only answer. Problem is people in power will never let it go. So they keep handing out entitlements to keep the masses happy. Whoever robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on Pauls vote in the election. Hell some states requested the waiver to remove the work requirement from welfare. That just set us back 40 years. Gotta keep the hand outs commin. lol

I work between 45-55 hours a week as an IT analyst. Sometimes I think of it as working an extra 10 hours a week for someone else who is on welfare.

Sometimes I wish we could skip the middle man (the Gov't) and give our money directly to the people on welfare. Then atleast we can look at them in the eye when they take our money. If they had any self respect, we might see a decrease in the amount of checks given out.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by 3870x2

I work between 45-55 hours a week as an IT analyst. Sometimes I think of it as working an extra 10 hours a week for someone else who is on welfare.

Sometimes I wish we could skip the middle man (the Gov't) and give our money directly to the people on welfare. Then atleast we can look at them in the eye when they take our money. If they had any self respect, we might see a decrease in the amount of checks given out.

Self respect? Ha. That's been being phased out for years now. Its all about what people can take and hate anyone who questions "their right" to have it. Hardly anyone has pride anymore.

[Jarman]

Be interesting to see if this actually makes any difference in sales. Personally I would boycott the enitre industry and not buy anything from them anymore just out of principal. In my opinion they would be better off updating their content/delivery models to better compete with piracy, making piracy redundant (or at least coming somewhere close to doing so). These heavy handed, archaic tactics just destroy public relations and sympathy to their cause. Catch more flies with sugar than you do with salt!

[TheGuruStud]

You sillies act like welfare for the poor actually requires a large budget (and is useless).
Corporate welfare is in the trillions. Where's the crying about that?

I know it's the cool thing to hate on poor people whether they work hard or not, but you've just fallen into the govt's trap. That's what they want you to do (distraction - like left vs right). Congratulations. You just supported the system you claim to despise.

Think of it this way: Poor people don't ruin the world. The ultra-wealthy exist by making/keeping people poor. They're the one's ruining everything. They want more for themselves and less for everyone else. Our social, educational, and judicial systems all prove this. They are now designed to make sure that it's extremely difficult to get ahead in life.

Now, on topic, this is why this law was created. Billionaires are not pleased with their fortunes and want more. They could care less how this affects anyone except themselves. It's the easiest and cheapest route, as they see it, for gain. Why create quality content? Or ask a reasonable price for their product? Or allow easier methods of acquisition for consumers? Nah, that might relinquish control and potentially abate profits (even though it's proven to do the opposite, see MPAA history). It's better for them to just bribe politicians. No risk, no frills, no work, just ruin lives for petty gain. They're vacuous dinosaurs with insatiable greed. A failing economic system that they support means nothing to them, except potential for more green. They don't care if the consumers have no money to buy their product in the future - they'll be dead or rich beyond comprehension.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by TheGuruStud

You sillies act like welfare for the poor actually requires a large budget (and is useless).
Corporate welfare is in the trillions. Where's the crying about that?

I know it's the cool thing to hate on poor people whether they work hard or not, but you've just fallen into the govt's trap. That's what they want you to do (distraction - like left vs right). Congratulations. You just supported the system you claim to despise.

Think of it this way: Poor people don't ruin the world. The ultra-wealthy exist by making/keeping people poor. They're the one's ruining everything. They want more for themselves and less for everyone else. Our social, educational, and judicial systems all prove this. They are now designed to make sure that it's extremely difficult to get ahead in life.

Now, on topic, this is why this law was created. Billionaires are not pleased with their fortunes and want more. They could care less how this affects anyone except themselves. It's the easiest and cheapest route, as they see it, for gain. Why create quality content? Or ask a reasonable price for their product? Or allow easier methods of acquisition for consumers? Nah, that might relinquish control and potentially abate profits (even though it's proven to do the opposite, see MPAA history). It's better for them to just bribe politicians. No risk, no frills, no work, just ruin lives for petty gain. They're vacuous dinosaurs with insatiable greed. A failing economic system that they support means nothing to them, except potential for more green. They don't care if the consumers have no money to buy their product in the future - they'll be dead or rich beyond comprehension.

I want a small less powerful government. Congratulations on thinking large centralized governments can solve your problems. I don't wanna pay taxes for ANY welfare. Corporate or Social. Also if you can't get ahead its no ones fault but your own.

[TheGuruStud]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

I want a small less powerful government. Congratulations on thinking large centralized governments can solve your problems. I don't wanna pay taxes for ANY welfare. Corporate or Social. Also if you can't get ahead its no ones fault but your own.

Who said a small govt can't provide social services that benefit a country as a whole? The govt should be razed to the ground and 99% of the politicians executed. I have no love for any large govt.

That last line is incredibly ignorant. That's something people that have been wealthy all their life say b/c they don't know jack.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by TheGuruStud

Who said a small govt can't provide social services that benefit a country as a whole? The govt should be razed to the ground and 99% of the politicians executed. I have no love for any large govt.

Social services is slavery. People will vote for who ever give them the most stuff.

Originally Posted by TheGuruStud

That last line is incredibly ignorant. That's something people that have been wealthy all their life say b/c they don't know jack.

I got kicked out when I was 17 with nothing but my shirt. I now have a three bedroom house, 40 acers and three cars and three kids. Its called working smart, not just hard.

[TheGuruStud]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Social services is slavery. People will vote for who ever give them the most stuff.

You have it the wrong way around. Education is being degraded to allow this kind of thinking/voting.
An educated society would not care about such things on a personal level, but only realize that it's needed for a healthy society.
But, now, we're way out there. Voting does not matter in the US, anymore.

The countries with the highest standards of living in the world prove your assumptions false.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by TheGuruStud

You have it the wrong way around. Education is being degraded to allow this kind of thinking/voting.
An educated society would not care about such things on a personal level, but only realize that it's needed for a healthy society.
But, now, we're way out there. Voting does not matter in the US, anymore.

The countries with the highest standards of living in the world prove your assumptions false.

You mean countries that are smaller then most of our states? We have 300 million people. Apply those "high standards" to China and India and see how long they last. Spain and Greece are rioting because they are taking away thier free stuff. Oh and FYI I'm living pretty good. I havent felt the need to riot in the street yet. lol.

[eidairaman1]

might as well call RIAP and RIAA- RIPOFF!

Record Industry P******OfF***Faces

[tacosRcool]

who's to say whats legal or illegal?

Nice way to take out your opponents!

[Kreij]

Originally Posted by tacosRcool

who's to say whats legal or illegal?

I would hazard a guess that it's the court system in your country upholding the laws that the legislature passed.

Or something like that.

[ShiBDiB]

I've always wondered if it was legal to torrent tv shows.. I could watch them on tv or I can watch them at my convenience.. either way I'm paying for cable.

[eidairaman1]

Originally Posted by ShiBDiB

I've always wondered if it was legal to torrent tv shows.. I could watch them on tv or I can watch them at my convenience.. either way I'm paying for cable.

yup and for the net users there is Hulu

[[H]@RD5TUFF]

pointless law is unenforceable

[Aquinus]

Got to love what greed does to people.

[[H]@RD5TUFF]

Originally Posted by Aquinus

Got to love what greed does to people.

It's not greed, it's just an irrational need to attempt to change people and distort reality.

[DannibusX]

Content creators wanting to be paid for the investment they made in creating the content in the first place? Shocking!

I'm not quite sure I support jailing downloaders for up to two years though. Seems too extreme for the crime commited.

[entropy13]

Remember though that things in Japan are also overpriced, especially Bluray, not to mention the region differences.

A CD with just two tracks is at least $20 (that's the basic cd+album art). A "premium edition" which would probably include a poster would be obviously more than that.

As I have said though, software (and thus games) are not even mentioned in the law, since this is only "illegal downloads of music and video." Games are quite overpriced in Japan though. A $59 game in the US would be $101 in Japan even though the PPP of the two are roughly the same.

It's weird the law still passed even though Japan's Research Institute of Economy, Trade and Industry (RIETI) had previously made a study wherein anime sales (DVD, covered by the new law) was increased because of piracy (as well as Youtube viewing).

[Covert_Death]

guys guys... i had an awakening, this law is OKAYYY, its the start of a tipping point to where global society moves towards a "star trek" society, in which everything is shared freely, we all can has whatever we wants and there is nooooo curencyyyyyyyyyy

(PS i shouldn't wantch star trek drunk)

k thx bye

[jihadjoe]

Originally Posted by wickerman

Wouldn't the smartest move be not to target the downloaders, but to get more aggressive with the torrent sites? Go after the scene groups that release the content, and take out as many of the big server farms as you can?

AFAIK they already have laws doing exactly that. Content uploaders can get up to 10 years in jail. This new law just expands their spectrum further, to include prosecution of downloaders as well.