Q8300 vs new trinity apu's vs i5

Arrin · Oct 4, 2012, 02:24 PM

i'm looking for an upgrade on my stock Q8300 to something newer and the price of the A10 5800k and a decent motherboard to go with it seem in a reasonable price range

now, how does the new apu's compete with an i5? it would only cost £60 more than the A10 to get a core i5 2500k, how much of a performance increase would i be looking at from the A10->i5

core i5+mobo(£250):

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel...che-95w-retail
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asroc...dvi-d-hdmi-atx

A10+mobo(£190):

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/amd-a...hz-100w-retail
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigab...dvi-d-hdmi-atx

brandonwh64 · Oct 4, 2012, 02:32 PM

They do not compete with I5 (I3 maybe) I would hop on with I5/I7 if you want a strong gaming machine.

Arrin · Oct 4, 2012, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

They do not compete with I5 (I3 maybe) I would hop on with I5/I7 if you want a strong gaming machine.

i7 is way out of my price range unfortunately and the i5 is just pushing it, i know that they don't directly compete in performance but i was wondering how much worse it would be when compared to it in a gaming scenario

thanks for the response though

brandonwh64 · Oct 4, 2012, 02:36 PM

Maybe that would be a question for cadaveca that just reviewed the new A10 line.

cadaveca · Oct 4, 2012, 02:50 PM

APUs are meant for sub-$500 builds. If you have a larger budget, you might want to consider other options.

In such configs, AMD intends you to buy the 6670 as well, which makes the AMD option much better all around than the 2500k(6670 should be about £50-£60.).

In that situation, with no further budget except for drives, case, PSU, and OS, AMD has everything covered, while to game on the 2500k, you need to also buy a GPU.

The APU combo is really meant for HT or office-type use, with gaming included, so 720p gaming, on HDTV, sure. 1080p, some titles with adjusted details will play fine. Some might struggle a bit.

newtekie1 · Oct 4, 2012, 02:59 PM

Basically, go A10 if you want to use the onboard video because AMD's onboard video just destroys Intel's, go i5 if you are using a dedicated video card.

Arrin · Oct 4, 2012, 03:00 PM

thanks for the straight forward responses!

Dent1 · Oct 4, 2012, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arrin

i'm looking for an upgrade on my stock Q8300 to something newer and the price of the A10 5800k and a decent motherboard to go with it seem in a reasonable price range

now, how does the new apu's compete with an i5? it would only cost £60 more than the A10 to get a core i5 2500k, how much of a performance increase would i be looking at from the A10->i5

core i5+mobo(£250):

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel...che-95w-retail
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asroc...dvi-d-hdmi-atx

A10+mobo(£190):

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/amd-a...hz-100w-retail
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigab...dvi-d-hdmi-atx

The A10 would be faster than the Q8300 in every respect. But I only recommend it for HTPC, everyday activities and light gaming. For real gaming you'd better off with a Phenom II X6 / Bulldozer X6/X8 set up as it's aimed at enthusiasts and will get better longevity due to core count.

But given the two options you presented there is only a £60 price gap, so it's Intel i5 all day.

KainXS · Oct 4, 2012, 04:52 PM

If your going to be gaming then the I5 is the only logical choice in my opinion, the 2500K kills anything besides AMD's top cpu and is worth the extra cash.\

Is there a reason you can't overclock your Q8300 though?
What is the rest of your system like?

Crap Daddy · Oct 4, 2012, 04:57 PM

On the CPU department there's really no competition between the A10 and the 2500K. If you want to game the A10 can help you until you'll realize that it just sucks and you'll eventually buy a discrete card and then realize that the CPU will suck.

So, if you don't game get the 2500K. If you game get the 2500K and a GPU. It costs more but you won't flush it down the toilet next year. If you managed to live with the Q8300 so long then get a proper CPU and not a CPU that thinks it can game but forgets that it's a CPU in the first place.

brandonwh64 · Oct 4, 2012, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KainXS

If your going to be gaming then the I5 is the only logical choice in my opinion, the 2500K kills anything besides AMD's top cpu and is worth the extra cash.\

Is there a reason you can't overclock your Q8300 though?
What is the rest of your system like?

The 2500K even beats the Highest FX CPU in gaming

Dent1 · Oct 4, 2012, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

The 2500K even beats the Highest FX CPU in gaming

http://img.techpowerup.org/121004/524.jpg

Depends on the game, the resolution, system configuration, the review you read. There are so many variables. Like if I wanted I could cherry pick countless charts of the highest FX beating out the 2500K. But it would be unproductive.

Arrin, get the i5.

Arrin · Oct 4, 2012, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KainXS

If your going to be gaming then the I5 is the only logical choice in my opinion, the 2500K kills anything besides AMD's top cpu and is worth the extra cash.\

Is there a reason you can't overclock your Q8300 though?
What is the rest of your system like?

well it's an old computer i got about a year/year and a half ago and it was pre-built, i've looked at 775 mobos on ebay but i've seen that half decent second hand ones are going to cost me roughly the same price as a brand new 1155/FM2 mobo so the logical choice for me was a total re-hall rather than upgrading old to just as old

but i'm just going to fork out the extra £ for the i5!

TRWOV · Oct 4, 2012, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

The 2500K even beats the Highest FX CPU in gaming

http://img.techpowerup.org/121004/524.jpg

The best FX for gaming is the 4170, not the 8150. Not saying that the 4170 would beat the 2500k but the difference is smaller.

Capitan Harlock · Oct 4, 2012, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRWOV

The best FX for gaming is the 4170, not the 8150.

the image is from anandtech and in the cpu list the only fx is the 8150 xd

AlienIsGOD · Oct 4, 2012, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capitan Harlock

the image is from anandtech and in the cpu list the only fx is the 8150 xd

He's stating a general fact. Its well known that the FX 4170 is the best AMD gaming cpu atm.

Capitan Harlock · Oct 4, 2012, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienIsGOD

He's stating a general fact. Its well known that the FX 4170 is the best AMD gaming cpu atm.

i have only give an information about the image xd.

TRWOV · Oct 4, 2012, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capitan Harlock

the image is from anandtech and in the cpu list the only fx is the 8150 xd

yeah, I know, that's why I'm pointing out that the FX-8150 isn't the best gaming CPU from AMD.

AlienIsGOD · Oct 4, 2012, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capitan Harlock

i have only give an information about the image xd.

picky much? 1 image does not a whole thread make.

Capitan Harlock · Oct 4, 2012, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienIsGOD

picky much? 1 image does not a whole thread make.

no one tells that xd.

Lionheart · Oct 4, 2012, 08:57 PM

And the arguing begins

......oh how

Anyways if you're just after a HTPC go with the AMD APU route, if not and want more gaming grunt hardware go with the i5 2500K and a decent video card

Oct 4, 2012, 02:24 PM	#1
Arrin Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 31 (0.11/day) Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Q8300 vs new trinity apu's vs i5 i'm looking for an upgrade on my stock Q8300 to something newer and the price of the A10 5800k and a decent motherboard to go with it seem in a reasonable price range now, how does the new apu's compete with an i5? it would only cost £60 more than the A10 to get a core i5 2500k, how much of a performance increase would i be looking at from the A10->i5 core i5+mobo(£250): http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel...che-95w-retail http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asroc...dvi-d-hdmi-atx A10+mobo(£190): http://www.scan.co.uk/products/amd-a...hz-100w-retail http://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigab...dvi-d-hdmi-atx

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