EA Origin downloading a game @ 8.11 MB/s, Steam download a game @ 2.7 mb/s.... - Page 2

erocker · Oct 4, 2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Depth

8.11 MB/s = 1.02 Mb/s

wat

You have it backwards:

8.11 Mbps = 1.01375 MBps

3870x2 · Oct 4, 2012, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Depth

8.11 MB/s = 1.02 Mb/s

wat

8.11MB/s = 64.88Mb/s

I will concede that you did not beat me to it erocker, rather the server prioritised your post above mine.

. . . by 4 minutes.

Phusius · Oct 4, 2012, 06:16 PM

topic can die now guys... honestly i think something weird is going on with origin at random times, because dragon age origins downloaded for me in under 1 hr and a half... thats 30gb of data.. so i still think it was faster then the 2.7mb/s i get on steam... i dunno though, it's as if U-Verse increases my bandwidth on Origin or something, i dunno... can anyone do the math, 30gb of data in under 1 hr and 30 mins? what does that come out to?

erocker · Oct 4, 2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Phusius

do the math, 30gb of data in under 1 hr and 30 mins? what does that come out to?

Define "under".

Guitarrassdeamor · Oct 4, 2012, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Phusius

topic can die now guys... honestly i think something weird is going on with origin at random times, because dragon age origins downloaded for me in under 1 hr and a half... thats 30gb of data.. so i still think it was faster then the 2.7mb/s i get on steam... i dunno though, it's as if U-Verse increases my bandwidth on Origin or something, i dunno... can anyone do the math, 30gb of data in under 1 hr and 30 mins? what does that come out to?

5.5 MBps roughly
Unless your speed test was during peak use times and your download was during off times...I doubt it.

Phusius · Oct 4, 2012, 06:27 PM

No my download was around same time i made this topic in the Chicago area... and I dunno erocker 1hr 20 min to 1hr 30 min... i know it downloaded all 30gb within that range though... and i know im only paying uverse for 24 down 3 up... so it doesnt make sense, unless Origin has some way of increasing my bandwidth for downloads... :/

I do know shogun 2 took almost 5 hours to download on steam... same 30gb download, well 27gb but close enough

Guitarrassdeamor · Oct 4, 2012, 06:35 PM

3gb actually makes quite a difference...that said where are you getting that just Dragon Age origins is 30gb? I'm seeing 7800MB on Amazon and Steam users reporting 14GB or so.

Phusius · Oct 4, 2012, 06:36 PM

dragon age ultimate edition is near 30gb.

Guitarrassdeamor · Oct 4, 2012, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Phusius

dragon age ultimate edition is near 30gb.

Please link to which one you're talking about because the largest one I see in Origin is 20gb.

Phusius · Oct 4, 2012, 06:41 PM

Guitarrassdeamor · Oct 4, 2012, 06:43 PM

Yes but is that for the install or the download though?

Phusius · Oct 4, 2012, 06:44 PM

I don't know, when I click download game in Origin thats what it says. Why would it download 8gb more then what its going to install?

Guitarrassdeamor · Oct 4, 2012, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phusius

I don't know, when I click download game in Origin thats what it says. Why would it download 8gb more then what its going to install?

Decompression would be my guess...

VulkanBros · Oct 4, 2012, 06:56 PM

Like someone already said - try compare how many users there is on Origin vs Steam......

3870x2 · Oct 4, 2012, 06:58 PM

I would think that the games you download will be decompressed to an extent. It is very important to these companies for bandwidth purposes to make their files delivered as small as possible while making the compression process invisible to the user.

variform · Oct 4, 2012, 07:46 PM

A single speedtest from an unknown point on the the OP's network isn't representative of max internet speed. Speedtest is rather conservative by design and by default

Both Steam and Origin are rather inaccurate.

Origin uses compression and estimates based of percentage of final install size downloaded over time. In other words from one moment to the next it guesses how fast it is downloading based on percentage complete.

Steam is all over the board. Sometimes they only display the initial game size but download far more. The download speed isn't a real measurement of current rate, rather it is a delayed estimate of a snapshot of the game download progress that the client grabs repeatedly. Their speeds sometimes look slower because the patches, etc. aren't included in the displayed rate so the speed will go up and down. It's similar to how Origin estimates but Steam looks at new data every second or so.

Neither is correct nor accurate. Origin is actually more consistent, whereas Steam is actually closer to real data rates, but highly unreliable because you don't know how big the game will be until it is finished downloading and the speeds fluctuate so much.

In theory, Origin should be faster. Steam uses peer technology to reguest data integrity and sends requests for the existence of files before they are sent so it can slow it down. Does that factor in? I don't know

3870x2 · Oct 4, 2012, 08:01 PM

It is interesting to note I have been using steam since 2004 and haven't ever noticed any of these inconsistencies.

It has never gone above max, but it has been very slow sometimes, not often though.

Guitarrassdeamor · Oct 4, 2012, 08:14 PM

Yeah I've never had an issue with Steam like that...it usually maxxes out my connection at where it should be and downloads as it says.

variform · Oct 4, 2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 3870x2

It is interesting to note I have been using steam since 2004 and haven't ever noticed any of these inconsistencies.

It has never gone above max, but it has been very slow sometimes, not often though.

Yeah, they're both rather good in reality. Certainly better than the older methods of downloading games, like EA before Origin, and better than most of the other services.

variform · Oct 4, 2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Guitarrassdeamor

Yeah I've never had an issue with Steam like that...it usually maxxes out my connection at where it should be and downloads as it says.

Me too for the most part. It really is certain games at certain times that trip up steam. I don't know if it's just different parts of their system using different data (new and old), and issue with extra content being forced downloaded even when you didn't buy it and them trying to hide it or what. Overall I don't really have any complaints other than innacurate download sizes at times

Depth · Oct 4, 2012, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by erocker

You have it backwards:

8.11 Mbps = 1.01375 MBps

Ah, that was a pretty stupid oversight

Consider my wat withdrawn

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Phusius Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 1,262 (2.96/day) Thanks: 621 Thanked 380 Times in 208 Posts System Specs	topic can die now guys... honestly i think something weird is going on with origin at random times, because dragon age origins downloaded for me in under 1 hr and a half... thats 30gb of data.. so i still think it was faster then the 2.7mb/s i get on steam... i dunno though, it's as if U-Verse increases my bandwidth on Origin or something, i dunno... can anyone do the math, 30gb of data in under 1 hr and 30 mins? what does that come out to?

Oct 4, 2012, 06:27 PM	#31
Phusius Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 1,262 (2.96/day) Thanks: 621 Thanked 380 Times in 208 Posts System Specs	No my download was around same time i made this topic in the Chicago area... and I dunno erocker 1hr 20 min to 1hr 30 min... i know it downloaded all 30gb within that range though... and i know im only paying uverse for 24 down 3 up... so it doesnt make sense, unless Origin has some way of increasing my bandwidth for downloads... :/ I do know shogun 2 took almost 5 hours to download on steam... same 30gb download, well 27gb but close enough

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Phusius Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 1,262 (2.96/day) Thanks: 621 Thanked 380 Times in 208 Posts System Specs	I don't know, when I click download game in Origin thats what it says. Why would it download 8gb more then what its going to install?

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variform Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 3 (0.01/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Neither A single speedtest from an unknown point on the the OP's network isn't representative of max internet speed. Speedtest is rather conservative by design and by default Both Steam and Origin are rather inaccurate. Origin uses compression and estimates based of percentage of final install size downloaded over time. In other words from one moment to the next it guesses how fast it is downloading based on percentage complete. Steam is all over the board. Sometimes they only display the initial game size but download far more. The download speed isn't a real measurement of current rate, rather it is a delayed estimate of a snapshot of the game download progress that the client grabs repeatedly. Their speeds sometimes look slower because the patches, etc. aren't included in the displayed rate so the speed will go up and down. It's similar to how Origin estimates but Steam looks at new data every second or so. Neither is correct nor accurate. Origin is actually more consistent, whereas Steam is actually closer to real data rates, but highly unreliable because you don't know how big the game will be until it is finished downloading and the speeds fluctuate so much. In theory, Origin should be faster. Steam uses peer technology to reguest data integrity and sends requests for the existence of files before they are sent so it can slow it down. Does that factor in? I don't know Last edited by variform; Oct 4, 2012 at 07:52 PM.

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