AMD FX "Vishera" Processor Pricing Revealed

[NeoXF]

Originally Posted by theoneandonlymrk

Rumours abound Am3+ is still going to be used for steamroller too, happy days

to above and bellow posts, i cant vouch for nvidia on Amd as i havent used it but i have xfired on Amd(this) and intel platforms with minimal issues(mostly app specific) for years now and the main thing xfire users need to know is AFR on,,, this brings a near doubleing of fps in all but nvidia optimised games and metro 2033 but is the most crashy

Since they implied that FM2 socket will support at least ONE future APU generation, and that being the Steamroller one... and FM2 being very similar to FM1, which in turn is very similar to AM3/AM3+... I can see how it's all but certain performance Steamroller will be on AM3+ as well. Which is good... if they can muster the performance they're boasting on that age old platform... as well as that they'll be more compelled to change it afterwards for Excavator (old age/obsolescence, DDR4, maybe a need to unify APU and enthusiast platforms etc).

[Super XP]

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Looks like AMD cut and paste with full concentration on Steamroller. This pic would have been accurate if Bulldozer delivered.

[Horrux]

I feel the need to add something about frequencies. Many on here are pounding on the table about how frequencies aren't everything. True, they are far from everything. However, for most of CPU history, every generation was clocked significantly higher than the previous. Then, roughly ten (10) years ago, Intel reached a weird "frequency ceiling" at 3.4ghz with the 130nm Northwood and Gallatin P4's. Since then, and IT HAS BEEN TEN YEARS, CPUs haven't been clocked higher than that for stock speeds.

Except for AMD's FX series, which will presently have 4ghz stock parts. Perhaps AMD has found a way to get those clockspeeds ratcheting up again and for the significant future, and I don't mean by going with a speedracer architecture, which is what Netbust was. Granted, the FX's longer pipeline is a step in that direction, but a step isn't the whole way...

AMD has produced extremely cool-running CPUs with no cold bug in the Phenom II. It is possible they studied that and came to some more general conclusions about heat and frequency and maybe, just MAYBE, AMD has found ways to have climbing frequencies again... Just like in the old days. They surprised the world with the A-64. They can do it again.

[Super XP]

CPU Frequencies only matter if the CPU Architecture is well built and efficient, then every single clock increase would count. We should see this with Excavator sometime in 2014. (Fingers Crossed)

[Super XP]

[Horrux]

When are they hitting the shops again? I can't wait for the actual benches...

[nt300]

It safe to say Vishera refresh will also come at around Q2 2013. These will be Steamroller cores right. So Piledriver look like it is short lived. Good move from AMD. Desktop Steamroller may be my next upgrade

AMD has already officially confirmed that Trinity refresh in 2013 comes in the new 28nm process and we found out that the current schedule for Richland processor is late Q2 2013 launch.

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/28...ses-fm2-socket

[os2wiz]

Originally Posted by nt300

It safe to say Vishera refresh will also come at around Q2 2013. These will be Steamroller cores right. So Piledriver look like it is short lived. Good move from AMD. Desktop Steamroller may be my next upgrade

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/28...ses-fm2-socket

I am fairly sure the 2nd quarter Richland is a refresh of Piledriver not Steamroller which will be late 2013 or early 2014. Quote any recent AMD release to prove me wrong.

[Daimus]

@Super XP
Nice table but FX-6200 is missing

[Super XP]

Originally Posted by os2wiz

I am fairly sure the 2nd quarter Richland is a refresh of Piledriver not Steamroller which will be late 2013 or early 2014. Quote any recent AMD release to prove me wrong.

Piledriver coming this October, I think 3rd week or the last week. Then in Q2 2013 or earlier, Steamroller is set to completely replace Bulldozer and Piledriver.

Trinity will be the last APU that will use Bulldozer's design structure. This has been repeated live several times from AMD employees within technology events. 2014 comes Excavator.

AMD already stated and was posted within the forums many times, they are accelerating Steamroller so they can completely replace Bulldozer/Piledriver.

Originally Posted by Daimus

@Super XP
Nice table but FX-6200 is missing

Oh, I got that from X-Bit Labs. Perhaps that CPU will follow shortly after.

Steamroller Release Info Links:
The architecture is still slated to debut in 2013 on GlobalFoundries' 28nm bulk process. The improvements look good on paper, but the real question remains whether or not Steamroller will be enough to go up against Haswell.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6201/a...architecture/2
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Process...comment-196142

[Daimus]

Originally Posted by Super XP

Oh, I got that from X-Bit Labs. Perhaps that CPU will follow shortly after.

It had already been released in six months ago. Shame on X-Bit Labs...

[os2wiz]

Now I know you are definitely wrong. Trinity is not Bulldozer design structure , it is Piledriver cores in Trinity. I can't see them replacing Trinity in only 7-8 months production cycle. Unless the 2013 refresh is simply going to the 28nm process primarily for productivity increases, not many new design features. I could be wrong, but I would not be surprised if that 2nd quarter steamroller is not put off to the third or 4th quarter of 2013. That however is only for steamroller apu production. Steamroller for FX non-apu is not coming until 2014. In spite of the bull crap claims, that AMD has abandoned performance cpus for the desktop in favor of APU's, there will be an FX steamroller with L3 cache in 2014. That is of course if AMD can execute their turnaround plan. I really detest the ignorant fluff that the pro-Intel droids like OBR constantly dribble out to create FUD. Fear, uncertainty, doubt the tools of speculators not analysts. Works well in the Wall Street environment so the billionaires can maintain and expand their hegemony( monopolistic control) of markets. Note there is NO and never has been a free market economy since the days of the Standard Oil trust era. Now back on target, the FUD of these cynical bastards is in service to Intel so they can further monopolize the cpu market and ruin their competitors, not through simply being a better, more efficient producer, but by leveraging their control of the market to strong arm customers into de-emphasizing and and giving no market space for competition. Intel just did this with PC producers in violation of anti-trust laws, but Congress, the presidency , and the courts have been bought off by corporate power and money. This is NOT a Democrat vs Republican issue , it is an issue that exposes that we do NOT live in a democracy, but rather a dictatorship of the capitalist class. It is a democracy for billionaires and a dictatorship pretty much for everyone else. Of course those billionaires have a feeding trough for their loyal police protectors, and for their managers that serve their interests. I say about 8% of the population globally benefits from the capitalist dictatorship and 92% are victims. I went from the the particular to the general to make a point. From computers to jobs, to shopping for food, to living as a "consumer" it is all a part of the bosses' game. Some day soon this will all come to an end. But only through organization and dogged determination. It is a 20-30 year process for world revolution. I promise no more on this front. It just was a natural progression from viewing what is happening in the technology sector and connecting the dots .

[os2wiz]

Steamroller Release Info Links:


The architecture is still slated to debut in 2013 on GlobalFoundries' 28nm bulk process. The improvements look good on paper, but the real question remains whether or not Steamroller will be enough to go up against Haswell.

Well, Hasbeen will undoubtedly arrive a LOT later than Intel projects. Reducing the 22nm further is a big head ache. I see Steamroller coming out on 28 nm and being reduced to 24 nm before Hasbeen releases.

[Super XP]

With all due respect, I said "Trinity will be the last APU that will use Bulldozer's design structure."
Piledriver is based on Bulldozer's design structure.
Steamroller leaves this design structure by way of modifications to the core architecture.
Excavator (Rumoured) is said to be completely modified and if shown side by side with Bulldozer, they would greatly differ.

So I say again,
Trinity will be the last APU that will use Bulldozer's design structure.

[os2wiz]

Originally Posted by Super XP

With all due respect, I said "Trinity will be the last APU that will use Bulldozer's design structure."
Piledriver is based on Bulldozer's design structure.
Steamroller leaves this design structure by way of modifications to the core architecture.
Excavator (Rumoured) is said to be completely modified and if shown side by side with Bulldozer, they would greatly differ.

So I say again,
Trinity will be the last APU that will use Bulldozer's design structure.

Thanks for being respectful, because my oddled brain did not see the word APU, although it was obviously there. It happens with chronic sleep deprivation Thanks for NOT ripping my head off.

[Super XP]

Originally Posted by os2wiz

Thanks for being respectful, because my oddled brain did not see the word APU, although it was obviously there. It happens with chronic sleep deprivation Thanks for NOT ripping my head off.

No problem, though I enjoyed reading your lengthy post. Your quote about cynical bastards just got me off my chair. Very nice.

Now back on target, the FUD of these cynical bastards is in service to Intel so they can further monopolize the cpu market

[xenocide]

I cannot believe I read that whole post... the only point worth addressing is your claim that "cynical bastards" are always claiming AMD won't produce a top-end CPU to compete with Intel. That is based off a quote from an AMD higher up (possibly the CEO) saying they were going to ignore competing with Intel at the highest end (in terms of cost and bleeding edge performance) and concentrate on things like low-cost acceptable performance solutions (APU's) and reasonably powerful mid-range solutions (FX). I think they realized that they had nothing to compete with Sandy Bridge-E and rather than force out some line with miniscule profit margins just gave up to play to their strengths.

[os2wiz]

I wrote the whole post it's unfortunate you had difficulty reading it which was whole lot easier than writing it. You obvious are not from the working class or you would "get it". Do you think AMD can produce for $240 a cpu that can beat cpus ' costing two and three times as much and have double the L1 L2 and L3 cache sizing . Their designs are based on what is feasible cost-wise at the mid-200's range. When they can achieve greater market penetration at that level then they can move on to higher level cpu's. That is NOT likely anytime soon. The wintel monopoly has been going on for years now with the blessing of the whorish politicians and judges they own. Tell me how many judges in cases involving Intel and Microsoft have shares in both companies. Many of them. Did one recuse themselves from hearing their law suits who owned stock in the two monopolists? NOT a single one. That is exactly why these criminal enterprises, which should be prosecuted under Rico statutes, continue to get a free ride on our backs with their overpriced products. And I only have one valid point? Get out of here! Get thee to a nunnery!

[Steevo]

Horse--> stick.

I see what you did there.......

[eidairaman1]

I dont see AMD competing at this time, but honestly i dont care. Steamroller arch is probably going to be diff from BD/PD anyway.

[xenocide]

Originally Posted by os2wiz

I wrote the whole post it's unfortunate you had difficulty reading it which was whole lot easier than writing it. You obvious are not from the working class or you would "get it".

I hope this isn't directed towards me, or I might have to unleash the Kraken...

Originally Posted by os2wiz

Do you think AMD can produce for $240 a cpu that can beat cpus ' costing two and three times as much and have double the L1 L2 and L3 cache sizing . Their designs are based on what is feasible cost-wise at the mid-200's range. When they can achieve greater market penetration at that level then they can move on to higher level cpu's. That is NOT likely anytime soon.

That was exactly my point. It was cost-prohibitive for them to keep sinking money into the niche top tier of CPU's where Intel consistantly beats them. From a business perspective they were playing to their strengths and increasing focus and resources on the products they had that were selling great already; low and mid-range CPU's and APU's.

Originally Posted by os2wiz

The wintel monopoly has been going on for years now with the blessing of the whorish politicians and judges they own. Tell me how many judges in cases involving Intel and Microsoft have shares in both companies. Many of them. Did one recuse themselves from hearing their law suits who owned stock in the two monopolists? NOT a single one. That is exactly why these criminal enterprises, which should be prosecuted under Rico statutes, continue to get a free ride on our backs with their overpriced products. And I only have one valid point? Get out of here! Get thee to a nunnery!

Judges lack of recusal isn't exclusive to the Tech Industry. I think there does need to be more oversight to ensure that judges don't have some kind of direct or indirect gain from the outcome of cases which they preside over, but that is a problem with the 'game', not the 'players'. As for stock ownership, it's hard to find a lot of portfolios that don't include stock in companies like Microsoft. They are one of those "safety" companies that investors dump money into because the risk is so low. I doubt any of the judges short sold metric fucktons of stock to turn huge profits--the SEC would have pressed charges immediately.

Also, RICO was not designed for something like that. You'd have a hard time getting a RICO case against multiple corporations in multiple fields without concrete evidence that they all colluded with one another. Something like the "resetting" of Hard Drive prices could possibly be packaged as a RICO case, but nothing like what Intel and Microsoft do.

Only one of your points was valid because only one of them related to what we're supposed to be talking about. This is a Tech Enthusiast forum, if you want to preach about Macroeconomics, Political Affiliations, and the Justice System, go elsewhere.

[os2wiz]

My point exactly : the game is rigged. Capitalism is rigged to always screw the working class as well. The system MUST be destroyed. removing the nominal leader through elections, assasination, whatever does Not
change anything. The game and its rules must be changed not through useless reform but rather through transformational revolution where the basis of society is reorganized in an egalitarian fashion with empowerment of the working class in the centers of production andthe whole of society including its mass culture. The culture of exploitation must be replaced with a culture of collective responsibility.

Originally Posted by xenocide

I hope this isn't directed towards me, or I might have to unleash the Kraken...



That was exactly my point. It was cost-prohibitive for them to keep sinking money into the niche top tier of CPU's where Intel consistantly beats them. From a business perspective they were playing to their strengths and increasing focus and resources on the products they had that were selling great already; low and mid-range CPU's and APU's.



Judges lack of recusal isn't exclusive to the Tech Industry. I think there does need to be more oversight to ensure that judges don't have some kind of direct or indirect gain from the outcome of cases which they preside over, but that is a problem with the 'game', not the 'players'. As for stock ownership, it's hard to find a lot of portfolios that don't include stock in companies like Microsoft. They are one of those "safety" companies that investors dump money into because the risk is so low. I doubt any of the judges short sold metric fucktons of stock to turn huge profits--the SEC would have pressed charges immediately.

Also, RICO was not designed for something like that. You'd have a hard time getting a RICO case against multiple corporations in multiple fields without concrete evidence that they all colluded with one another. Something like the "resetting" of Hard Drive prices could possibly be packaged as a RICO case, but nothing like what Intel and Microsoft do.

Only one of your points was valid because only one of them related to what we're supposed to be talking about. This is a Tech Enthusiast forum, if you want to preach about Macroeconomics, Political Affiliations, and the Justice System, go elsewhere.

[os2wiz]

Originally Posted by xenocide

I hope this isn't directed towards me, or I might have to unleash the Kraken...



That was exactly my point. It was cost-prohibitive for them to keep sinking money into the niche top tier of CPU's where Intel consistantly beats them. From a business perspective they were playing to their strengths and increasing focus and resources on the products they had that were selling great already; low and mid-range CPU's and APU's.



Judges lack of recusal isn't exclusive to the Tech Industry. I think there does need to be more oversight to ensure that judges don't have some kind of direct or indirect gain from the outcome of cases which they preside over, but that is a problem with the 'game', not the 'players'. As for stock ownership, it's hard to find a lot of portfolios that don't include stock in companies like Microsoft. They are one of those "safety" companies that investors dump money into because the risk is so low. I doubt any of the judges short sold metric fucktons of stock to turn huge profits--the SEC would have pressed charges immediately.

Also, RICO was not designed for something like that. You'd have a hard time getting a RICO case against multiple corporations in multiple fields without concrete evidence that they all colluded with one another. Something like the "resetting" of Hard Drive prices could possibly be packaged as a RICO case, but nothing like what Intel and Microsoft doOnly one of your points was valid because only one of them related to what we're supposed to be talking nabout. This is a Tech Enthusiast forum, if you want to preach about Macroeconomics, Political Affiliations, and the Justice System, go elsewhere.

RICO certainly does apply the trouble is gathering the evidence and witnesses. The perncious tentacles of these corporate entities extends not only into the political class but into the security apparatus as well. Not a chance in hell such a case would see daylight if some determined prosecutors pursued it. They would be stymied at every turn and be executed by a contracted hit if nithing else could stop them. CApitalist power is a very dirty ballgame and nothing including the use of nukes to prevent revolution would be precluded to keep their control of the state and production.
Of course they have one serious chink in their armor. They need workers to produce and profit and the soldiers are mostly working class. The military can be infiltrated and penetrated by serious organized working class youth. They can andwill turn their guns around at the apprpriate time of mass revolutionary consciousness. It happened in Russia nd in China, it can happen again. I realize this is all off-topic but perhaps an intriguing respite from the overkill of the cpu wars. .Nice talking to you.

[Horrux]

Originally Posted by os2wiz

RICO certainly does apply the trouble is gathering the evidence and witnesses. The perncious tentacles of these corporate entities extends not only into the political class but into the security apparatus as well. Not a chance in hell such a case would see daylight if some determined prosecutors pursued it. They would be stymied at every turn and be executed by a contracted hit if nithing else could stop them. CApitalist power is a very dirty ballgame and nothing including the use of nukes to prevent revolution would be precluded to keep their control of the state and production.
Of course they have one serious chink in their armor. They need workers to produce and profit and the soldiers are mostly working class. The military can be infiltrated and penetrated by serious organized working class youth. They can andwill turn their guns around at the apprpriate time of mass revolutionary consciousness. It happened in Russia nd in China, it can happen again. I realize this is all off-topic but perhaps an intriguing respite from the overkill of the cpu wars. .Nice talking to you.

You are quite right os2wiz. HOWEVER, and I'm using capitals for a reason, this tyranny of capitalism, this system of enslavement, works through many channels: not only through having made a rigged system of relatively inescapable working class status, but also through the invasion of media in order to maintain the masses psychologically stuck in a state of fear of non-survival.

Debt is also a huge tool they use for the enslavement of the masses. As such, this tyranny is not only economical but psychological, and as such, the people will not rise up in masses to change things. The average Joe is barely making ends meet but he is comfortable enough, contrary to Russia and China. TV and other time sink entertainments make sure he doesn't think about all this stuff, no, the establishment provides ample ways to keep their minds turned off.

Between the pressure to perform at work and "be productive", the economic pressure to make ends meet, the mind-anesthesia or state of fear provided by the media, and the encouragement to BELIEVE, which is the contrary to critical thought, there is very little left of the hardy, independent, self-driven desire for true freedom that would enable such a rise.

I don't think it will happen. We're on our own.

[eidairaman1]

Ok back on topic please