VS 2012 Express Editions Available

Kreij · Sep 22, 2012, 12:11 PM

VS 2012 Express Editions

MS changed it somewhat this time. When you download the version your want (let's say VS2012 for Desktop) you get all the languages (C#, C++, VB) as opposed to dowloading them individually like they did with 2010.

The VS UI looks different but seems to have the same functionality as the 2010 edition.
I've not had a chance to play around with it much, so I don't have more info than that.

Code on !

Edit : Forgot to add for people not familiar with the Express editions that these are all free.

Mindweaver · Sep 22, 2012, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kreij

VS 2012 Express Editions

MS changed it somewhat this time. When you download the version your want (let's say VS2012 for Desktop) you get all the languages (C#, C++, VB) as opposed to dowloading them individually like they did with 2010.

The VS UI looks different but seems to have the same functionality as the 2010 edition.
I've not had a chance to play around with it much, so I don't have more info than that.

Code on !

I seen something about it last week on my technet and MSDN Subs, but I haven't had a chance to play with it either buddy.

This is a good offer from Microsoft to us poor coders!

Thanks for giving everybody the heads up!

Kreij · Sep 22, 2012, 01:20 PM

I have to give MS credit for releasing the Express versions for free.
I understand the reasoning that if people get used to the free version they are likely to buy the full version if their coding environment requires one, but what they are giving away is not a trivial amount of code. IMO VS is still the best IDE available.

Oh ... Don't forget you can get SQL Server Express for free also.

(and numerous other coding related things like XNA Studio, Robotics Developer Studio, etc. etc.)

Frick · Sep 22, 2012, 01:23 PM

Too bad the interface doesn't mix well with Windows 7.

And that I can't code at all.

FordGT90Concept · Sep 22, 2012, 01:25 PM

Anyone that tried these find out if you can compile for x64 with it? I always have had to upgrade to full visual studio because of that.

Kreij · Sep 22, 2012, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frick

Too bad the interface doesn't mix well with Windows 7.

Not sure what you mean, please explain.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frick

And that I can't code at all.

You could be writing useful code in two weeks if you gave it a go. It would take a little longer to get to W1zz's level though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ford

Anyone that tried these find out if you can compile for x64 with it? I always have had to upgrade to full visual studio because of that.

I didn't pull it here at home yet, Ford, so I can't test it.

Frick · Sep 22, 2012, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kreij

Not sure what you mean, please explain.

It's purely estetic. It's made by Windows 8 standards, so it looks different from stuff in Windows 7. No window transparancy, different button styles etc. It feels a bit like I'm running a VM or something. Almost.

Mindweaver · Sep 22, 2012, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kreij

I have to give MS credit for releasing the Express versions for free.
I understand the reasoning that if people get used to the free version they are likely to buy the full version if their coding environment requires one, but what they are giving away is not a trivial amount of code. IMO VS is still the best IDE available.

Oh ... Don't forget you can get SQL Server Express for free also.

(and numerous other coding related things like XNA Studio, Robotics Developer Studio, etc. etc.)

Yepper, SQL Server Express is another great tool MS offers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Anyone that tried these find out if you can compile for x64 with it? I always have had to upgrade to full visual studio because of that.

That's a good question.

EDIT: I just checked my MSDN account and you still have to upgrade to full visual studio to get x64. Atleast from there dl offerings

FordGT90Concept · Sep 22, 2012, 01:48 PM

Figures. When is Microsoft going to realize that 32-bit is on the brink of extinction?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frick

It's purely estetic. It's made by Windows 8 standards, so it looks different from stuff in Windows 7. No window transparancy, different button styles etc. It feels a bit like I'm running a VM or something. Almost.

The main addition to Visual Studio 2012 is the support for Windows 8/Metro UI. This largely will allow people to program on a tablet.

Kreij · Sep 22, 2012, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Figures. When is Microsoft going to realize that 32-bit is on the brink of death?

Well, Windows Server 2008 R2 only comes in a 64 bit edition so they are on the right track.
Windows Server 2012 is the same (64 bit only)

MrSeanKon · Oct 5, 2012, 02:31 PM

Visual Studio 2012 (Express or other complete versions) runs under Windows XP?

I read this link but I am still confused

The PC runs XP SP3; it is a hard and boring process to upgrade the OS, that's why I am asking.

Frick · Oct 5, 2012, 02:38 PM

Just try it. It's free, the only investment you have to do is downloading it.

Kreij · Oct 5, 2012, 02:44 PM

I don't think so. You can develop for XP, but VS 2012 won't run on it.
(at least that's what it looks like)

shooter25 · Oct 7, 2012, 05:34 PM

Hey everyone, I'm trying to find out what OS I need for this VS2012 Express for Web. I downloaded it and tried to install it but all it said was OS not supported or some message like that. Does anyone have a link that actually provides system requirements for the express versions?

TIA Shooter

Solaris17 · Oct 7, 2012, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shooter25

Hey everyone, I'm trying to find out what OS I need for this VS2012 Express for Web. I downloaded it and tried to install it but all it said was OS not supported or some message like that. Does anyone have a link that actually provides system requirements for the express versions?

TIA Shooter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mindweaver

EDIT: I just checked my MSDN account and you still have to upgrade to full visual studio to get x64. Atleast from there dl offerings

i really like the UI its clean and bright.

FordGT90Concept · Oct 7, 2012, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shooter25

Hey everyone, I'm trying to find out what OS I need for this VS2012 Express for Web. I downloaded it and tried to install it but all it said was OS not supported or some message like that. Does anyone have a link that actually provides system requirements for the express versions?

TIA Shooter

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudi.../compatibility

•Windows 7 (x86 and x64)
•Windows 8 (x86 and x64)
•Windows Server 2008 R2 (x64)
•Windows Server 2012 (x64)

Visual Studio 2010 supports XP through Windows 7.

Mindweaver · Oct 7, 2012, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solaris17

i really like the UI its clean and bright.

Nice! I've not installed it yet.. but I will be installing it next week.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudi.../compatibility

•Windows 7 (x86 and x64)
•Windows 8 (x86 and x64)
•Windows Server 2008 R2 (x64)
•Windows Server 2012 (x64)

Visual Studio 2010 supports XP through Windows 7.

yea it sucks.. I do a lot of coding on an old C2D T7200 laptop with XP.. But it looks like i'll be up grading that to win7 soon or win8.

MrSeanKon · Oct 7, 2012, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Visual Studio 2010 supports XP through Windows 7.

I installed Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate under XP SP3, works OK.
By the way as I saw Visual J# is not inside anymore.
I did not know it cos I had programmed with VS 2003 & VS 2005 (I did not use VS 2008).
Here are some comments which explain why Visual J# is not supported anymore by Microsoft.
Thus we have to use Sun's enviroment for Java?

FordGT90Concept · Oct 7, 2012, 09:58 PM

J# support ended in Visual Studio 2005. J# is too similar to C# so Java programmers gravitated towards C# rather than the Java clone in J#.

J++ in Visual Studio 6 used JVM. Sun sued, Microsoft created their own version of the JVM which became known as .NET Framework. Visual Studio 6 I believe came out in 1998. .NET Framework debuted in Visual Studio .NET 2002.

If you want to code for Java, you'll have to use something like NetBeans or Eclipse.

Drone · Oct 8, 2012, 08:54 AM

Is there any difference between C++ in Visual Studio suite and C++ from Rad Studio?

And another question: What does "express edition" mean?

eidairaman1 · Oct 8, 2012, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drone

Is there any difference between C++ in Visual Studio suite and C++ from Rad Studio?

And another question: What does "express edition" mean?

Express are light versions of a Full Version, meaning they are very basic in functions

FordGT90Concept · Oct 8, 2012, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drone

Is there any difference between C++ in Visual Studio suite and C++ from Rad Studio?

Different compilers probably.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drone

And another question: What does "express edition" mean?

It's a stand-alone developing environment for a single language. It also only supports compiling for x86 machines. Non-Express often has at least C++, C#, and VB support as well as many more. Non-Express is also capable of compiling for at least x86, x64, and IA-64. Express Editions are only licensed for casual programming (nonprofit). If you're writing commercial software, you need the full Visual Studio. There's other differences as well but those are the major ones I noticed.

Drone · Oct 8, 2012, 01:44 PM

nvm

Kreij · Oct 8, 2012, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Express Editions are only licensed for casual programming (nonprofit). If you're writing commercial software, you need the full Visual Studio

This is not true. There is nothing in the MS EULA prohibiting or forbidding the use of its Express Edition products for writing commercial applications.

That being said, if you are going to write a commecial app you will want one of the full versions for the extra features.

FordGT90Concept · Oct 8, 2012, 09:12 PM

After a long time searching, I finally found the Visual C# Express Edition 2010 EULA:
http://download.microsoft.com/Documents/UseTerms/Visual C Sharp_2010 Express Edition_English_eec3d9f3-30ea-4bbd-bcac-0a6b8b074dac.pdf

The only commercial limitation it has applies to H.264/MPEG-4 and VC-1 standards. You can't make commercial software that uses those without getting a licence from MPEGLA.com

An EULA for the 2012 version is not available but there's no reason why it should be dramatically changed from 2008 and 2010.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drone

Thanks for explanation. Is it valid for all other software or only for VS?
Because I still wonder why RAD studio XE is called extreme edition? It's a full professional suite with 32 and 64 bit support, it includes Delphi, Delphi Prism and C++Builder and it's crossplatform. Or XE stands for something else here? So confusing ...

RAD Studio has nothing to do with Visual Studio. They are separate products from separate companies.

Sep 22, 2012, 12:11 PM	#1
Kreij Hardcore Monkey Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheeseland (Wisconsin, USA) Posts: 12,112 (5.28/day) Thanks: 591 Thanked 5,490 Times in 2,934 Posts System Specs	VS 2012 Express Editions Available VS 2012 Express Editions MS changed it somewhat this time. When you download the version your want (let's say VS2012 for Desktop) you get all the languages (C#, C++, VB) as opposed to dowloading them individually like they did with 2010. The VS UI looks different but seems to have the same functionality as the 2010 edition. I've not had a chance to play around with it much, so I don't have more info than that. Code on ! Edit : Forgot to add for people not familiar with the Express editions that these are all free. __________________ Cloud (noun, singular): A dynamic arrangement of multiple potential single points of failure, with a user at one end and their data at the other. Get more tech news on a wide variety of topics at NextPowerUp Last edited by Kreij; Sep 22, 2012 at 12:57 PM.

Processor:	Intel Core 2 Quad QX9650 Extreme @ 3.0 GHz
Motherboard:	Asus Rampage Formula
Cooling:	ZeroTherm Nirvana NV120 Premium
Memory:	8GB (4 x 2GB) Corsair Dominator PC2-8500
Video Card:	2 x Sapphire Radeon HD6970
Hard Disk:	2 x Seagate Barracuda 320GB in RAID 0
Optical Drive:	Sony DRU-120C DVD-RW
CRT/LCD Model:	Dell 3007WFP 30" LCD (2560 x 1600)
Case:	Thermaltake Armor w/ 250mm Side Fan
Sound Card:	SupremeFX 8ch Audio
PSU:	Thermaltake Toughpower 750W Modular
Software:	Win8 Pro x64 / Cat 12.10

System Name:	Sechs / EyeSeven
Processor:	I7 970 @ 4.0ghz / I7 2600k @ 4.5Ghz
Motherboard:	P6X58D-E / ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3
Cooling:	CM Hyper 212 Plus push-pull / Corsair H50
Memory:	Corsair 30GB DDR3 1600 / G.Skill DDR3 1600 8gb 2x4GB
Video Card:	EVGA 480 / MSI GTX 680 PE 2Gb
Hard Disk:	GSkill 120GB SSD & OCZ RevoDrive 3 X2 240GB / Corsair 60gb SSD, 3x250 WD RAID0 avg 170mb\sec
Optical Drive:	Asus 24x / Ext. Samsung Writemaster 22x
CRT/LCD Model:	2x Samsung SyncMaster 2243 22" / 3x Acer 22" Nvidia surround
Case:	COOLER MASTER HAF 912 / Cooler Master Storm Scout
Sound Card:	On board / SB X-Fi Gamer
PSU:	Corsair tx650w / Corsair tx750w
Software:	Windows 7 Pro x64 / Windows 7 ultimate x64

Sep 22, 2012, 01:20 PM	#3
Kreij Hardcore Monkey Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheeseland (Wisconsin, USA) Posts: 12,112 (5.28/day) Thanks: 591 Thanked 5,490 Times in 2,934 Posts System Specs	I have to give MS credit for releasing the Express versions for free. I understand the reasoning that if people get used to the free version they are likely to buy the full version if their coding environment requires one, but what they are giving away is not a trivial amount of code. IMO VS is still the best IDE available. Oh ... Don't forget you can get SQL Server Express for free also. (and numerous other coding related things like XNA Studio, Robotics Developer Studio, etc. etc.) __________________ Cloud (noun, singular): A dynamic arrangement of multiple potential single points of failure, with a user at one end and their data at the other. Get more tech news on a wide variety of topics at NextPowerUp

Processor:	Intel Core 2 Quad QX9650 Extreme @ 3.0 GHz
Motherboard:	Asus Rampage Formula
Cooling:	ZeroTherm Nirvana NV120 Premium
Memory:	8GB (4 x 2GB) Corsair Dominator PC2-8500
Video Card:	2 x Sapphire Radeon HD6970
Hard Disk:	2 x Seagate Barracuda 320GB in RAID 0
Optical Drive:	Sony DRU-120C DVD-RW
CRT/LCD Model:	Dell 3007WFP 30" LCD (2560 x 1600)
Case:	Thermaltake Armor w/ 250mm Side Fan
Sound Card:	SupremeFX 8ch Audio
PSU:	Thermaltake Toughpower 750W Modular
Software:	Win8 Pro x64 / Cat 12.10

Sep 22, 2012, 01:23 PM	#4
Frick Fishfaced Nincompoop Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 7,876 (2.98/day) Thanks: 1,076 Thanked 1,443 Times in 1,149 Posts System Specs	Too bad the interface doesn't mix well with Windows 7. And that I can't code at all. __________________ Typemachine: Acer Aspire One D250 \| Atom N280 1.6 Ghz \| 1GB DDR2 \| 160GB SATA \| 10.1' 1024 x 600 \| Lubuntu 12.10 Oldbox: HP D530 \| Pentium 4 2.8 Ghz \| 1GB DDR \| 40GB \| Windows XP "The 'gentle biker' look is overdone. I'm going for 'psycho hillbilly.' "

System Name:	Ongoing scavanging
Processor:	Sempron 140
Motherboard:	MSI 760GM-P23 (FX)
Cooling:	Somesuch
Memory:	2GB DDR3
Video Card:	HD 2400 Pro
Hard Disk:	160GB + 1TB
Optical Drive:	Yes
CRT/LCD Model:	19" 1280 x 1024
Case:	Wossname
Sound Card:	On board
PSU:	Wattchamacallit
Software:	Stuff

Sep 22, 2012, 01:25 PM	#5
FordGT90Concept "I go fast!1!11!1!" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: IA, USA Posts: 10,574 (6.29/day) Thanks: 1,752 Thanked 2,596 Times in 1,960 Posts System Specs	Anyone that tried these find out if you can compile for x64 with it? I always have had to upgrade to full visual studio because of that. __________________ Golden Rule of Programming: Never assume. try { SteamDownload(); } catch (Steamception ex) { RageQuit(); }

System Name:	BY-2009
Processor:	Intel Core i7 920 (4 x 2.66 GHz) w/ HT and Turbo on
Motherboard:	DFI LP DK X58
Cooling:	Sythe MUGEN-2 w/ Stock Fan
Memory:	3 x 2 GiB OCZ Gold DDR3-1600 @ DDR-1066
Video Card:	Sapphire Vapor-X HD 5870 1 GiB
Hard Disk:	2 x Seagate Barracuda 250GB 7200.7 RAID0
Optical Drive:	Samsung 16x DVD-ROM, Pioneer 16x DVD+/-RW
CRT/LCD Model:	Samsung Syncmaster T240 24" LCD (1920x1200)
Case:	Coolermaster HAF 932
Sound Card:	Realtek Onboard, HT OMEGA Striker 7.1
PSU:	Enermax Liberty 620w
Software:	Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate x64
Benchmarks:	Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare.

Oct 5, 2012, 02:31 PM	#11
MrSeanKon Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Athens in love with Anna :) Posts: 253 (0.11/day) Thanks: 28 Thanked 65 Times in 24 Posts	Visual Studio 2012 (Express or other complete versions) runs under Windows XP? I read this link but I am still confused The PC runs XP SP3; it is a hard and boring process to upgrade the OS, that's why I am asking.

Oct 5, 2012, 02:38 PM	#12
Frick Fishfaced Nincompoop Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 7,876 (2.98/day) Thanks: 1,076 Thanked 1,443 Times in 1,149 Posts System Specs	Just try it. It's free, the only investment you have to do is downloading it. __________________ Typemachine: Acer Aspire One D250 \| Atom N280 1.6 Ghz \| 1GB DDR2 \| 160GB SATA \| 10.1' 1024 x 600 \| Lubuntu 12.10 Oldbox: HP D530 \| Pentium 4 2.8 Ghz \| 1GB DDR \| 40GB \| Windows XP "The 'gentle biker' look is overdone. I'm going for 'psycho hillbilly.' "

Oct 5, 2012, 02:44 PM	#13
Kreij Hardcore Monkey Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheeseland (Wisconsin, USA) Posts: 12,112 (5.28/day) Thanks: 591 Thanked 5,490 Times in 2,934 Posts System Specs	I don't think so. You can develop for XP, but VS 2012 won't run on it. (at least that's what it looks like) __________________ Cloud (noun, singular): A dynamic arrangement of multiple potential single points of failure, with a user at one end and their data at the other. Get more tech news on a wide variety of topics at NextPowerUp

Oct 7, 2012, 05:34 PM	#14
shooter25 Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 2 (0.01/day) Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Can not install on Windows Vista 64-bit machine Hey everyone, I'm trying to find out what OS I need for this VS2012 Express for Web. I downloaded it and tried to install it but all it said was OS not supported or some message like that. Does anyone have a link that actually provides system requirements for the express versions? TIA Shooter

System Name:	Prometheus
Processor:	Xeon W 3520 4.5ghz
Motherboard:	DFI Lanparty UT t3eH8
Cooling:	Xigmatek Dark Knight
Memory:	(3x8GB) 24GB Avexir Core series triple channel 1600mhz
Video Card:	MSI GTX470
Hard Disk:	OCZ Agility3 120, SS 1TB, SS 2TB
Optical Drive:	Pioneer DVD Dual layer burner R+RW (Firmware Upgrade)/Philips lightscribe DVD burner Dual layer
CRT/LCD Model:	Dell 2007FP
Case:	Xigmatek Utgard
Sound Card:	ASUS Xonar D2X 7.1 on Logitec X-540/Razer Carcharias
PSU:	Corsair HX1000
Software:	Windows8 x64 \|\|Poser7, Cinema4D, CS5, 3DSM10, Lightwave9, Bryce7
Benchmarks:	I'm such a tease

Oct 7, 2012, 09:58 PM	#19
FordGT90Concept "I go fast!1!11!1!" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: IA, USA Posts: 10,574 (6.29/day) Thanks: 1,752 Thanked 2,596 Times in 1,960 Posts System Specs	J# support ended in Visual Studio 2005. J# is too similar to C# so Java programmers gravitated towards C# rather than the Java clone in J#. J++ in Visual Studio 6 used JVM. Sun sued, Microsoft created their own version of the JVM which became known as .NET Framework. Visual Studio 6 I believe came out in 1998. .NET Framework debuted in Visual Studio .NET 2002. If you want to code for Java, you'll have to use something like NetBeans or Eclipse. __________________ Golden Rule of Programming: Never assume. try { SteamDownload(); } catch (Steamception ex) { RageQuit(); }

Oct 8, 2012, 08:54 AM	#20
Drone Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Nonlocal location Posts: 1,897 (1.91/day) Thanks: 62 Thanked 822 Times in 525 Posts System Specs	Is there any difference between C++ in Visual Studio suite and C++ from Rad Studio? And another question: What does "express edition" mean? __________________ ...the young Universe was filled with a hot dense soup of interacting protons, electrons and photons at about 2700ºC. When the protons and electrons joined to form hydrogen atoms, the light was set free

System Name:	Asus M60J
Processor:	Intel Core i7 720QM
Memory:	4GB
Video Card:	NVIDIA GeForce GT 240M
Hard Disk:	x2 320GB Seagate
Software:	Windows 8

System Name:	BS03/04
Processor:	AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ 2.2GHz 1.5V
Motherboard:	DFI LanParty NFII Ultra-B Bios (TicTac 3D Fire R2)
Cooling:	4 Antec 80mm, TR SI-97 Adapted TT Big Typhoon Fan 120MM
Memory:	2GB Mushkin Redline 4000 @ 200 MHz 2.5V
Video Card:	Sapphire R1950Pro 512MB AGP 1.5V
Hard Disk:	250 & 400 GB Seagate Baracuda 10 SATA
Optical Drive:	2x Samsung Multiformat Rewritable Drives
CRT/LCD Model:	NEC Multisync LCD 1700V
Case:	Antec SX830 EATX Case
Sound Card:	Creative Labs SB XFi Xtreme Music & SB PCI 512
PSU:	Antec NEO HE 500 Watt
Software:	Windows 7 Home Premium
Benchmarks:	Win 7 Eval. CPU 3.9 Ram 4.5 Graphics 6.0 HD 5.7

Oct 8, 2012, 01:44 PM	#23
Drone Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Nonlocal location Posts: 1,897 (1.91/day) Thanks: 62 Thanked 822 Times in 525 Posts System Specs	nvm __________________ ...the young Universe was filled with a hot dense soup of interacting protons, electrons and photons at about 2700ºC. When the protons and electrons joined to form hydrogen atoms, the light was set free Last edited by Drone; Oct 8, 2012 at 09:23 PM.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Linux Mint 13 will be available at the end of May 2012	SIGSEGV	Linux / BSD / Mac OS X	7	Jul 3, 2012 03:16 PM
TuneUp Utilities 2012 + AVG Internet Security 2012	CrAsHnBuRnXp	Hot Deals	0	Jan 8, 2012 06:56 AM
COD DLC available first on XBOX through 2012	lemode	Games	4	Jun 15, 2010 12:17 PM
Cooler Express "Hydra" SLI Phase Change Triple Evaporator Now Available	malware	News	19	Oct 4, 2007 07:36 AM
X-Fi Xtreme Audio PCI-Express version available	Ripper3	General Hardware	12	Jul 17, 2007 03:42 PM