TechPowerUp! Official IC Diamond Test

[SonDa5]

Originally Posted by OneMoar

just had mine apart no pitting or anything a there is some light scuffing but nothing that won't clean up with a mild cloth
could have been a fluke or perhaps the diamond tim reacted with some residue from the previous tim

When I get the Liquid Pro I will be very careful in removing IC Diamond and post photos. Hopefully there is no damage.

[SonDa5]

Originally Posted by IC Diamond

You have good contact on the last C/P image unlike most so no voids to fill, pressure is a little light which plays to LM strengths so worth a shot

Thank you.

I am going to have the Liquid Pro in place in a week or so after I get it and I will post comparison temperature tests between IC Diamond and Liquid Pro.

This will be a good comparison for immediate temperature gratification.

[OneMoar]

STOP
lquid pro contains Gallium stuff is garbage DO NOT USE IT!@@
DO NOT USE IT ANY-WARE NEAR a heatsink/baredie I REPEAT DO NOT USE IT IT WILL DESTROY IT
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU PUT GALLIUM with aluminum Gallium Induced Failure of a Heat Sink - YouTube
GALLIUM also reacts with:
steel
iron
lead ...
its not stuff you want anyware near a cpu

[erocker]

Originally Posted by SonDa5

If you could please post some links to similar experiences from others with blocks. Thanks.

I don't know of any off of the top of my head, but I'm someone who works with various metals on a daily basis. I cut a lot of it and weld a lot of it, etc.. I've seen very good steel and aluminum have imperfections.

[t_ski]

Originally Posted by SonDa5

I had it RMAd and the manufacturer had no clue what caused it other then they said that they think a foreign object may have found its way into the application of TIM.

Originally Posted by SonDa5

I have never heard of that before but it sounds possible. That is what I thought when I did an RMA with the manufacturer but they stated that it was impossible because of the high standards in their manufacturing process.

They did do an RMA out of kindness though. The block was less than a month old.

If you could please post some links to similar experiences from others with blocks. Thanks.

Originally Posted by SonDa5

When I get the Liquid Pro I will be very careful in removing IC Diamond and post photos. Hopefully there is no damage.

Originally Posted by SonDa5

Thank you.

I am going to have the Liquid Pro in place in a week or so after I get it and I will post comparison temperature tests between IC Diamond and Liquid Pro.

This will be a good comparison for immediate temperature gratification.

You can use the multiquote button instead of posting four times in a row

[SonDa5]

Originally Posted by OneMoar

STOP
lquid pro contains Gallium stuff is garbage DO NOT USE IT!@@
DO NOT USE IT ANY-WARE NEAR a heatsink/baredie I REPEAT DO NOT USE IT IT WILL DESTROY IT
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU PUT GALLIUM with aluminum Gallium Induced Failure of a Heat Sink - YouTube
GALLIUM also reacts with:
steel
iron
lead ...
its not stuff you want anyware near a cpu

The only caution that I have read in the application manual of Liquid Pro is the following:

"Coollaboratory Liquid Pro" was designed for use with high quality coolers made of copper or silver. Aluminum coolers are unsuitable (of course this applies only to the cooler's contact surface onto which "Coollaboratory Liquid Pro". is spread).


Note: Do not use cheap aluminum coolers. Their quality is not very high, and aluminum is not resistant against our Liquid Metal. Aluminum could form an alloy with "Coollaboratory Liquid Pro" which would react with the surrounding air's humidity. A black stain forms after a while, showing insulating qualities. Therefore: No contact of "Coollaboratory Liquid Pro" with aluminum. NO ALUMINUM COOLERS!

My concern is that no mention of direct die application is mentioned in the instruction manual. I haven't heard anything bad about direct die. Only bad things that I have read about are because of improper metal mixing on aluminum coolers.

[OneMoar]

are you a 1200% sure of your blocks plating ? if not it could end very quickly and rather wet ....
gallium is also very conductive not something I would place any-ware near a bare die I don't know what they make the IHS's out of on the 3750k but something tells me it might be reactive .... as for the die its self that i am admittedly unsure if it will kill it they used to use small amounts of aluminium/zinc to "Plate" the die

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium
gallium attacks most other metals by diffusing into their metal lattice. Gallium, for example, diffuses into the grain boundaries of Al/Zn alloys[1] or steel,[2] making them very brittle. Also, gallium metal easily alloys with many metals, and was used in small quantities as a plutonium-gallium alloy in the plutonium cores of the first and third nuclear bombs, to help stabilize the plutonium crystal structure.[3]

[SonDa5]

Originally Posted by OneMoar

are you a 1200% sure of your blocks plating ? if not it could end very quickly and rather wet ....
gallium is also very conductive not something I would place any-ware near a bare die I don't know what they make the IHS's out of on the 3750k but something tells me it might be reactive .... as for the die its self that i am admittedly unsure if it will kill it they used to use small amounts of aluminium/zinc to "Plate" the die

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium
gallium attacks most other metals by diffusing into their metal lattice. Gallium, for example, diffuses into the grain boundaries of Al/Zn alloys[1] or steel,[2] making them very brittle. Also, gallium metal easily alloys with many metals, and was used in small quantities as a plutonium-gallium alloy in the plutonium cores of the first and third nuclear bombs, to help stabilize the plutonium crystal structure.[3]

Liquid Metal Pro sounds awesome.

Don't worry about the IHS. I am not using the IHS. I only use TIM between the DIE and the water block.

I am using a high quality copper DT SNIPER water block.

The base is made of Alloy 110 copper.

Will Alloy 110 Copper be a problem?

[OneMoar]

If its soild copper should be ok I would be dam careful with the LmP if it gets on one of the traces you are done

[SonDa5]

Originally Posted by OneMoar

If its soild copper should be ok I would be dam careful with the LmP if it gets on one of the traces you are done

I will be very careful. I already have a plan in effect to help contain the LmP to the die area and help transfer heat from the rest of the pcb.

I am going to cut a thermal pad to dress around the DIE that will make contact with the block and hug the sides of the DIE while allowing the DIE to make good contact with the water block. I'm hoping this will help lower temps even more.

I ordered some Fujipoly Extreme System Builder Thermal Pad along with the Liquid Metal Pro.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16...tl=g8c487s1730

[SonDa5]

Originally Posted by OneMoar

If its soild copper should be ok I would be dam careful with the LmP if it gets on one of the traces you are done

The response I got from DT Water Blocks is that the DT SNIPER will not have a problem with Liquid Pro on the the DT SNIPER which is made of Copper alloy 110 which is a common commercial/electrical grade of pure copper. It is composed of 99.9% (min) copper.

[Arctucas]

From the lack of replies to my question of September 26 (post #223), it appears safe to presume there is no other source of the Fuji Prescale film.

I had requested a Free sample from Sensor Products (as offered on their website) but I never received any. Sensor Products excuse was; 'Lately it seems we have been having
issues with the USPS and samples.' Personally, I have never had any issue with the USPS, so I am somewhat skeptical.

Now, an individual from Sensor Products, with whom I have be communicating via email, when I declined to buy several hundred dollars worth of the product, has, in my personal opinion, insinuated that I am trying to scam them out of additional samples, which is patently untrue, and refuses to honor the free sample offer.

So, if anyone knows where I could obtain a small piece, even if it costs a few dollars, I would appreciate it.

Thanks

[IC Diamond]

Originally Posted by Arctucas

From the lack of replies to my question of September 26 (post #223), it appears safe to presume there is no other source of the Fuji Prescale film.

I had requested a Free sample from Sensor Products (as offered on their website) but I never received any. Sensor Products excuse was; 'Lately it seems we have been having
issues with the USPS and samples.' Personally, I have never had any issue with the USPS, so I am somewhat skeptical.

Now, an individual from Sensor Products, with whom I have be communicating via email, when I declined to buy several hundred dollars worth of the product, has, in my personal opinion, insinuated that I am trying to scam them out of additional samples, which is patently untrue, and refuses to honor the free sample offer.

So, if anyone knows where I could obtain a small piece, even if it costs a few dollars, I would appreciate it.

Thanks

I have Platinum micro that's agreed to carry it on a trial basis - The deal is I will buy some paper in bulk perhaps enough for 50 or 100 packets of 3 tests and they will test market it. and if Nat has adequate sales on it he will buy it in bulk for sale on his own account.

The ball is in my court and I have not worked out the packaging details as I have been busy it may take me a week or two to get around to it and maybe a month to hit the shelves.

I can send you a few miss cut pieces gratis if you PM me your address just post your experience with it on the forum here

[Frogger]

Originally Posted by IC Diamond

Platinum micro

so we should watch for it here would like to have a look @ the 'trial' package art work

[IC Diamond]

Originally Posted by Frogger

so we should watch for it here would like to have a look @ the 'trial' package art work

I'll let PMicro worry about the fine points, on my end just a stock colored plastic bag w/instructions.

Perhaps also a colored sticker with contact exposure examples in the red poor -better -best kind of thing?

[SonDa5]

Originally Posted by IC Diamond

I have Platinum micro that's agreed to carry it on a trial basis - The deal is I will buy some paper in bulk perhaps enough for 50 or 100 packets of 3 tests and they will test market it. and if Nat has adequate sales on it he will buy it in bulk for sale on his own account.

Platinum Micro is a great little shop in my neck of the woods. I will definitely be visiting them and buying some if the price isn't too high.

I think this whold TPU IC Diamond test has been a great success so far. I really like how well IC Diamond works and I like the contact pressure paper. I think contact pressure paper will become the norm for testing cpu/block for proper fit in regards to contact area pressure, it is a must do test to ensure effective mount.

[Random Murderer]

Originally Posted by SonDa5

I think contact pressure paper will become the norm for testing cpu/block for proper fit in regards to contact area pressure, it is a must do test to ensure effective mount.

I still have to do my pressure paper test and remount the cooler.

[Arctucas]

Originally Posted by IC Diamond

I have Platinum micro that's agreed to carry it on a trial basis - The deal is I will buy some paper in bulk perhaps enough for 50 or 100 packets of 3 tests and they will test market it. and if Nat has adequate sales on it he will buy it in bulk for sale on his own account.

The ball is in my court and I have not worked out the packaging details as I have been busy it may take me a week or two to get around to it and maybe a month to hit the shelves.

Thank you for that, do you have any idea regarding pricing? Would you please post a link to the product page at Platinum Micro once the pressure paper is available for sale?

Originally Posted by IC Diamond

I can send you a few miss cut pieces gratis if you PM me your address just post your experience with it on the forum here

I sincerely appreciate the offer, but it would be several months (or even as much as a year) before I would be ready to do a tear-down and do the tests, that is why I chose not to participate in the initial sample giveaway of both the TIM and the pressure paper; I believe it would not be fair to you.

I have no issue with buying my own ICD at retail, as well as the pressure paper (if the price is not prohibitive such as the offer I received from Sensor Products).

Thanks again

[IC Diamond]

Originally Posted by Arctucas

Thank you for that, do you have any idea regarding pricing? Would you please post a link to the product page at Platinum Micro once the pressure paper is available for sale?



I sincerely appreciate the offer, but it would be several months (or even as much as a year) before I would be ready to do a tear-down and do the tests, that is why I chose not to participate in the initial sample giveaway of both the TIM and the pressure paper; I believe it would not be fair to you.

I have no issue with buying my own ICD at retail, as well as the pressure paper (if the price is not prohibitive such as the offer I received from Sensor Products).

Thanks again

We have not settled on the number of tests per packet Most likely in the 5-$8 range for at least 3 tests.

I just ordered the Contact paper today to seed the marketing test so perhaps a week or 3 it should be available.

[Arctucas]

Originally Posted by IC Diamond

We have not settled on the number of tests per packet Most likely in the 5-$8 range for at least 3 tests.

I just ordered the Contact paper today to seed the marketing test so perhaps a week or 3 it should be available.

Excellent news, at that price, I would like to buy two or three packets.

You will post a link to the online store when it becomes available?

[t_ski]

Andrew (or anyone else for that matter), can you post a pic of a Socket 2011 CPU like a 3930K without the IHS? I've been googling looking for one and can't seem to find any.

[Random Murderer]

Originally Posted by t_ski

Andrew (or anyone else for that matter), can you post a pic of a Socket 2011 CPU like a 3930K without the IHS? I've been googling looking for one and can't seem to find any.

I believe the 2011 CPUs have the IHS soldered to the core...

[t_ski]

I know that is true, but that doesn't mean there aren't any pics out there. I'm positive I've seen a few failed IHS removal pics, but I can't find them now.

[Random Murderer]

Originally Posted by t_ski

I know that is true, but that doesn't mean there aren't any pics out there. I'm positive I've seen a few failed IHS removal pics, but I can't find them now.

Here is a guy who screwed up his 3820 by delidding it and taking a few smd components off.

I also found two other images of LGA2011 chips delidded, but that guy removed them from his photobucket, so all that was available were small thumbnails of said images.

Hope this helps for whatever you're planning

[t_ski]

I'm a firm believer that you need to maximize your heat removal by directing the channels in a waterblock (or the pipes on a HDT cooler) perpendicular to the core. I'm just trying to make sure mine is done that way.