Low performance after setting the paging file - Page 2

Sasqui · Sep 20, 2012, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapapa07

So, is everybody agree that I should buy a new hard drive?

If so, Im going to make a thread about what HDD I should buy.

You may want to try the DOS version of seatools as it suggests, but it's probably toast.

Is your old one still in warrantee?

Chapapa07 · Oct 3, 2012, 10:21 PM

I bought a WD caviar black 1002faexx, installed windows and everything but it didnt solve anything ...... now my problems are worst:

My pc doesnt boot up right after I turn it on, I have to press the reset button and 15 seconds later my system boots up (it used to happen with the seagate hdd).

Before 3d mark vantage gpu score was around 10400 and now is around 2600 ( it didnt even reached 3000), the cpu score is intact.

And slow performance in all my games (I had this when my problem started).

Gpu and cpu temperature are not the problem, the gpu max temperature is 59 c and my cpu temperature is 72 c.

I cleared the CMOS, I changed my hdd s sata cable 3 times, without results.

Help !.

Dent1 · Oct 3, 2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chapapa07

2 days ago I set the paging file to "system managed size" (yes I dissabled it months ago) in order to see if the paging file would give some fps. After setting it to "system managed size" , on battlefield 3 I get on average 19 fps and I used to gt 41 on high, at 1280x1024, I set the paging file again to " no paging file" but nothing happened. I also get very similar results in crysis 2 .

Before 3d mark vantage gpu score was about 10400 and now is about 2600 ( it didnt even reached 3000), the cpu score is intact.

My specs:

Core 2 quad q8300 2.5
GTX 550 ti oc
4 gb ddr2 800
Windows 7 64 bit
Max resolution 1280x1024.

No idea what is happening

BF3 uses more than 4GB of ram. You barely meet the requirement hence why you impair the performance when you disable page file. The OS relies on the hard disk drive when it runs out of RAM. It can't do this if there isn't paging. Basically you need a bigger RAM capacity.

Edit:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapapa07

IMy pc doesnt boot up right after I turn it on, I have to press the reset button and 15 seconds later my system boots up (it used to happen with the seagate hdd).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapapa07

I cleared the CMOS, I changed my hdd s sata cable 3 times, without results.

Did you reset your CMOS on your bios via the jumper switch? or just via the bios settings?. Seems like a motherboard issue.

Edit 2:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapapa07

Via the jumper switch.

And your bios is flashed to the latest version? (Might be worth flashing it to a lower version if it is)

Edit 3:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapapa07

Via the jumper switch.

I ve never flashed the bios.

Might be time you did. Be careful!

Chapapa07 · Oct 3, 2012, 10:28 PM

Battlefield 3 is not my main concern now.

Chapapa07 · Oct 3, 2012, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dent1

Did you reset your CMOS on your bios via the jumper switch? or just via the bios settings?. Seems like a motherboard issue.

Via the jumper switch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dent1

And your bios is flashed to the latest version? (Might be worth flashing it to a lower version if it is)

I ve never flashed the bios.

Chapapa07 · Oct 4, 2012, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dent1

Might be time you did. Be careful!

I cant, theres no bios available in my motherboard s site.

Widjaja · Oct 4, 2012, 01:20 AM

have you tried starting the PC with the no HDD?
Could even be SATA cable or SATA port.

Chapapa07 · Oct 4, 2012, 01:46 AM

Is that even possible?, I ve never tried that before...

Widjaja · Oct 4, 2012, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapapa07

Is that even possible?, I ve never tried that before...

The PC will post the BIOS flash screen.
See how long it takes to get to the flash screen without the HDD.

Jetster · Oct 4, 2012, 06:09 AM

You can even run a PC with no HDD. use a Linux live disk and see. No hard drive required. In fact its a great way to rule out hardware issues. linux Mint is an easy one

Dent1 · Oct 4, 2012, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetster

You can even run a PC with no HDD. use a Linux live disk and see. No hard drive required. In fact its a great way to rule out hardware issues. linux Mint is an easy one

You can. It will still P.O.S.T. and detect that there is no hard drive, then attempt to boot from the secondary device like the CDROM.

What Widjaja suggested was actually accurate. Because if there is a fault with the SATA controller or HDD it might P.O.S.T. faster with the HDD removed, hence potentially isolating a fault.

eidairaman1 · Oct 4, 2012, 09:45 AM

never mess with paging, Windows 7 seems to do a really bad ass job at handling it, Windows XP not so much. I normally would set a static paging file in XP to reduce the amt of contracting it does (increasing from minimum size to max size then decreasing back- talk about overhead)

read this for help

http://www.blackviper.com/AskBV/XP17.htm

http://www.blackviper.com/2002/04/17...-super-tweaks/

Chapapa07 · Oct 4, 2012, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Widjaja

The PC will post the BIOS flash screen.
See how long it takes to get to the flash screen without the HDD.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetster

You can even run a PC with no HDD. use a Linux live disk and see. No hard drive required. In fact its a great way to rule out hardware issues. linux Mint is an easy one

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dent1

You can. It will still P.O.S.T. and detect that there is no hard drive, then attempt to boot from the secondary device like the CDROM.

What Widjaja suggested was actually accurate. Because if there is a fault with the SATA controller or HDD it might P.O.S.T. faster with the HDD removed, hence potentially isolating a fault.

Ok, I ll check what happen.

EDIT:
Nothing happened.... the bios didnt post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

never mess with paging, Windows 7 seems to do a really bad ass job at handling it, Windows XP not so much. I normally would set a static paging file in XP to reduce the amt of contracting it does (increasing from minimum size to max size then decreasing back- talk about overhead)

read this for help

http://www.blackviper.com/AskBV/XP17.htm

http://www.blackviper.com/2002/04/17...-super-tweaks/

The paging file is not my cocern now because I have a new HDD with a fresh OS.

Widjaja · Oct 5, 2012, 02:25 AM

The BIOS should have posted and even quicker than 20 seconds.
Next thing I would look at is PSU but I think that is unrelated to the HDD failure that maybe coincidental.

Times like these it's good to have a back up PC.
Even if it is low end but has all the up to date components.

Dent1 · Oct 5, 2012, 07:39 AM

Take off the heatsink + fan and reseat it. On some motherboards, if it isn't on correctly the computer will refuse to boot for safety.

I think your board is jacked. I've seen a few second hand socket 775 boards on Ebay for $30-50. Worth a try.

Chapapa07 · Oct 5, 2012, 02:55 PM

I tried to use another mobo, its a gigabyte ep43-udl3, it has been without use for 2 years in my house.

I installed it to my system, I turn my system on, it shows a gigabyte logo with some options ( press del for bios) and 10 seconds later it shows this:

20 seconds later windows starts to load , 4 seconds later before loading its logo it gives me a fast blue screen of death that doesnt give me enought time to photograph it.

After that it shows me this:

Then it says this (Im unable to use my keyboard for some reason):

It automatically chooses "startup repair", but it fails in repairing and later shows me this:

It seems like the mobo was the problem before because my system doesnt doubt to boot anymore, but now I have another problem.... xD.

CaptBeyond · Oct 6, 2012, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

never mess with paging, Windows 7 seems to do a really bad ass job at handling it, Windows XP not so much. I normally would set a static paging file in XP to reduce the amt of contracting it does (increasing from minimum size to max size then decreasing back- talk about overhead)

read this for help

http://www.blackviper.com/AskBV/XP17.htm

http://www.blackviper.com/2002/04/17...-super-tweaks/

Also, paging file probably badly fragmented having been disabled, then reenabled.

Chapapa07 · Oct 6, 2012, 08:36 PM

I reinstalled windows again and now My pc doesn't doubt to boot anymore and my PCs speed in games is normal as it used to be !.

The only problem I have now is that sometimes when I navigate through the bios , without changing anything or regarless what I do, when I exit the bios my system turn off by itself and 3 seconds later it turn on by itselft and 3 seconds later again it turn off by itself again and again until I turn it off manually or I turn off my UPS.

My other problem is that every time I try to dissable "write-caching policy" my pc freezes up , and I have to press the restart bottom in order to be able to use my pc again, this used to happen with the other mobo.

Finally, I can use my pc ...and play video games!.

eidairaman1 · Oct 6, 2012, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapapa07

I reinstalled windows again and now My pc doesn't doubt to boot anymore and my PCs speed in games is normal as it used to be !.

The only problem I have now is that sometimes when I navigate through the bios , without changing anything or regarless what I do, when I exit the bios my system turn off by itself and 3 seconds later it turn on by itselft and 3 seconds later again it turn off by itself again and again until I turn it off manually or I turn off my UPS.

My other problem is that every time I try to dissable "write-caching policy" my pc freezes up , and I have to press the restart bottom in order to be able to use my pc again, this used to happen with the other mobo.

Finally, I can use my pc ...and play video games!.

your machine doesnt like you trying to change that function,

give us system specs too while your at it

Dent1 · Oct 8, 2012, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapapa07

The only problem I have now is that sometimes when I navigate through the bios , without changing anything or regarless what I do, when I exit the bios my system turn off by itself and 3 seconds later it turn on by itselft and 3 seconds later again it turn off by itself again and again until I turn it off manually or I turn off my UPS.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapapa07

Finally, I can use my pc ...and play video games!.

Strange. You said your old board didn't have a bios revision. How about your Gigabyte ep43 board? Might be worth updating it.

Anyways, glad you've got your PC sorted.

razor2890 · Oct 9, 2012, 11:16 AM

I did the same thing with pagefile when i bought my pc for the 1st time... i was using win xp... i changed its size in the hopes of making my pc faster but it got worse & eventually had to format the drive...
Same happened with win 7.....
I tried all the instructions given on microsoft support but it didnt help....
So now i never touch that file or mess with its size & i have not had to format my drive for more than 2 1/2 years and win7 never gives me any problem...

Dent1 · Oct 9, 2012, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by razor2890

I did the same thing with pagefile when i bought my pc for the 1st time... i was using win xp... i changed its size in the hopes of making my pc faster but it got worse & eventually had to format the drive...
Same happened with win 7.....
I tried all the instructions given on microsoft support but it didnt help....
So now i never touch that file or mess with its size & i have not had to format my drive for more than 2 1/2 years and win7 never gives me any problem...

The way Windows XP and 7 handle pagefile is different.

I actually recommend that page file is disabled providing you have enough RAM. I've got 16GB of RAM so paging will slow me down.

OP only has 4GB of RAM, which isnt enough for BF3 let alone enough to disable page filing with.

I did an experiment months back and found out BF3 uses almost 6GB of RAM on high/ultra combinations @ 1440x900. So the OP will need atleast 2GB of page filing to compensate for his shortcoming of RAM. Turning it off, isnt an option with his limited RAM.

Jetster · Oct 9, 2012, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dent1

The way Windows XP and 7 handle pagefile is different.

I actually recommend that page file is disabled providing you have enough RAM. I've got 16GB of ram so paging will show me down.

OP only has 4GB of RAM, which isnt enough for BF3 let alone enough to disable page filing with.

This has been gone over many times here. Some programs require a page file

Dent1 · Oct 9, 2012, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetster

This has been gone over many times here. Some programs require a page file

I've had 16GB of RAM for over a year now. None of my programs required it. Haven't formatted in the same amount of time or experienced any issues.

Programs tend to require it if you exceed your physical amount of memory. Which is almost impossible for me.

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Widjaja Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Wangas, New Zealand Posts: 4,021 (1.85/day) Thanks: 240 Thanked 617 Times in 534 Posts System Specs	The BIOS should have posted and even quicker than 20 seconds. Next thing I would look at is PSU but I think that is unrelated to the HDD failure that maybe coincidental. Times like these it's good to have a back up PC. Even if it is low end but has all the up to date components.

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Dent1 Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,353 (2.14/day) Thanks: 738 Thanked 683 Times in 582 Posts System Specs	Take off the heatsink + fan and reseat it. On some motherboards, if it isn't on correctly the computer will refuse to boot for safety. I think your board is jacked. I've seen a few second hand socket 775 boards on Ebay for $30-50. Worth a try.

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Chapapa07 Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 26 (0.08/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts System Specs	I tried to use another mobo, its a gigabyte ep43-udl3, it has been without use for 2 years in my house. I installed it to my system, I turn my system on, it shows a gigabyte logo with some options ( press del for bios) and 10 seconds later it shows this: 20 seconds later windows starts to load , 4 seconds later before loading its logo it gives me a fast blue screen of death that doesnt give me enought time to photograph it. After that it shows me this: Then it says this (Im unable to use my keyboard for some reason): It automatically chooses "startup repair", but it fails in repairing and later shows me this: It seems like the mobo was the problem before because my system doesnt doubt to boot anymore, but now I have another problem.... xD. Last edited by Chapapa07; Oct 5, 2012 at 03:45 PM.

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Chapapa07 Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 26 (0.08/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts System Specs	I reinstalled windows again and now My pc doesn't doubt to boot anymore and my PCs speed in games is normal as it used to be !. The only problem I have now is that sometimes when I navigate through the bios , without changing anything or regarless what I do, when I exit the bios my system turn off by itself and 3 seconds later it turn on by itselft and 3 seconds later again it turn off by itself again and again until I turn it off manually or I turn off my UPS. My other problem is that every time I try to dissable "write-caching policy" my pc freezes up , and I have to press the restart bottom in order to be able to use my pc again, this used to happen with the other mobo. Finally, I can use my pc ...and play video games!.

Oct 9, 2012, 11:16 AM	#46
razor2890 Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 80 (0.27/day) Thanks: 50 Thanked 10 Times in 6 Posts	I did the same thing with pagefile when i bought my pc for the 1st time... i was using win xp... i changed its size in the hopes of making my pc faster but it got worse & eventually had to format the drive... Same happened with win 7..... I tried all the instructions given on microsoft support but it didnt help.... So now i never touch that file or mess with its size & i have not had to format my drive for more than 2 1/2 years and win7 never gives me any problem...

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