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brandonwh64 · Oct 9, 2012, 10:01 PM

How do I do the GPU betas and how would my 6950 2gb unlocked cards do in it?

Norton · Oct 9, 2012, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by brandonwh64

How do I do the GPU betas and how would my 6950 2gb unlocked cards do in it?

You get 56 points or so per work unit- your card should do them in 3 minutes. You have 2 cards so you'll do them 2 at a time.

Enable beta testing on the WCG website and check off use GPU in the preferences menu in the BOINC manager.

Aquinus · Oct 9, 2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Norton

Enable beta testing on the WCG website and check off use GPU in the preferences menu in the BOINC manager.

Do you know which projects in particular have GPU WUs? I've yet to see one come up, granted I just enabled beta projects.

[Ion] · Oct 9, 2012, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquinus

Do you know which projects in particular have GPU WUs? I've yet to see one come up, granted I just enabled beta projects.

GPU WUs are very intermittent

The GPU WUs that I've gotten are HCC Betas

Norton · Oct 10, 2012, 12:23 AM

Looks like my FX-6200 rig isn't reporting

Will need to visit the rig tomorrow and see what may have happened.... hopefully it just dropped its internet connection. In any case it should be something minor- that rig has been running flawlessly for months.

fingers crossed

[Ion] · Oct 10, 2012, 12:50 AM

Well, on the brighter side, I have the cooler from Buck Nasty installed and the AMD X2 moved into an Antec case. It's going to sit next to my desk and crunch/fold until someone on CL wants it (I might as well get the ~1.3k PPD from it, but if I can sell it for half of the price of an AMD X8 I might as well)

That, and with the cooler weather I've gotten my friend with the i5-2500k to fire his system back up---if he can keep it running this time, that's ~3.5k PPD

EDIT: Here's the AMD X2 as it will remain until sold

ThE_MaD_ShOt · Oct 10, 2012, 01:02 AM

Well chucky didn't have as good day today. Most of his wu went to the pending pile LOL so it will be a few more days before he spools up to full speed. Damn thing is up to 2 pages of pendings so far. About 3k in points there .

But the way I have things now, I have done made myself some more room for 1 more cruncher. It will be awhile before I even think about another rig though. Name for the next one will be "Bride of Chucky"

Norton · Oct 10, 2012, 02:05 AM

Looks like the FX-6200 rig is still running. The rig dropped 3+ pages of valid results just after the deadline.

Still strange that the reporting seems to have gone to about once per day from reporting as work is completed so I'll need to check that?

[Ion] · Oct 10, 2012, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Norton

Looks like the FX-6200 rig is still running. The rig dropped 3+ pages of valid results just after the deadline.

Still strange that the reporting seems to have gone to about once per day from reporting as work is completed so I'll need to check that?

Do you have Mindweaver's tweak still in place? I've never had any issues with delays in reporting while using that

EDIT: That reminds me, I still need to tweak the X2

stinger608 · Oct 10, 2012, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by [Ion]

Do you have Mindweaver's tweak still in place? I've never had any issues with delays in reporting while using that

EDIT: That reminds me, I still need to tweak the X2

What is "Mindweavers's tweak?"

[Ion] · Oct 10, 2012, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by stinger608

What is "Mindweavers's tweak?"

BOINC Auto-Report

I re-pasted my i7 laptop, and CPU temps are down a good ~5C. The impetus for this is that the cores were running highly unevenly (~70c on the lowest one and nearly 85c on the highest). I'm hoping that keeping it cooler will allow it to run the full Turbo speeds (2.8GHz).

agent00skid · Oct 10, 2012, 08:18 PM

*sigh*

Is it good that I've begun to expect BSODs at least monthly for both my systems?

[Ion] · Oct 10, 2012, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by agent00skid

*sigh*

Is it good that I've begun to expect BSODs at least monthly for both my systems?

No

BSODs that frequently are not a good sign--a guess once a month isn't terrible, but I would certainly seek to correct that. Is this happening even on your stock-clocked laptop?

agent00skid · Oct 10, 2012, 08:28 PM

Good news. It's only my laptop that craps. Forgot I fiddled with memory and NB voltage recently on my desktop.

My laptop, I don't know though. Happens when I'm shutting it down, or doing something on my desktop. Never when I'm actually using.

Also, the about 1,5k PPD for my desktop seems to be fairly accurate.

Norton · Oct 10, 2012, 08:43 PM

AMD Vishera inventory is expected to arrive 10/30!!!

Link:
http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/s.cgi...=1&s_all=HKBOX

@agent00skid- what temp is that laptop running at or is the BSOD coming after it's idle/cooled off?

[Ion] · Oct 10, 2012, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by agent00skid

Good news. It's only my laptop that craps. Forgot I fiddled with memory and NB voltage recently on my desktop.

My laptop, I don't know though. Happens when I'm shutting it down, or doing something on my desktop. Never when I'm actually using.

Also, the about 1,5k PPD for my desktop seems to be fairly accurate.

http://img.techpowerup.org/121010/Capture008239.jpg

That seems to have stabilized quite nicely

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norton

AMD Vishera inventory is expected to arrive 10/30!!!

Link:
http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/s.cgi...=1&s_all=HKBOX

Is one in your future?

Norton · Oct 10, 2012, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by [Ion]

That seems to have stabilized quite nicely

Is one in your future?

Distant future..... 1st of the year maybe

Aquinus · Oct 10, 2012, 09:05 PM

Whoop! Just got myself some GPU WUs. Mmm. Nothing like crunching on two GPUs.

Edit: They finished before my eyes. xD

[Ion] · Oct 10, 2012, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquinus

Whoop! Just got myself some GPU WUs. Mmm. Nothing like crunching on two GPUs.

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/at...1&d=1349903111

Edit: They finished before my eyes. xD

Thanks for posting!

I've suspended FAH and picked up GPU WUs on all three Fermi cards

HammerON · Oct 10, 2012, 09:10 PM

Maybe I will see if I can get my 2 GTX 580's crunching...

[Ion] · Oct 10, 2012, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HammerON

Maybe I will see if I can get my 2 GTX 580's crunching...

Please do!

My GTX470 does a GPU WU in about three and a half minutes--so your GTX580s should do even better. And they're worth 56 points each

agent00skid · Oct 10, 2012, 09:18 PM

It doesn't say beta anywhere on them, does it?

Edit 2: Oh yeah, they're for real. So I guess I'll no longer be able to game.

Edit: And I'm fighting to keep my laptop below 70°c.

[Ion] · Oct 10, 2012, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by agent00skid

It doesn't say beta anywhere on them, does it?

Edit 2: Oh yeah, they're for real. So I guess I'll no longer be able to game.

Edit: And I'm fighting to keep my laptop below 70°c.

No, I just noticed that. They're for real. Which is alright I guess, now they don't count towards runtime for a beta badge, and points are down a bit (33.5pts each vs 55.6), but I'm still getting ~16k from my GTX470, so I'm happy. And a bit over 8k per GTX460

ThE_MaD_ShOt · Oct 10, 2012, 10:44 PM

4 down and they are still coming in.

[Ion] · Oct 10, 2012, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ThE_MaD_ShOt

4 down and they are still coming in.

I have a ton in my queues...it looks like this is for real

Oct 9, 2012, 10:01 PM	#19126
brandonwh64 Addicted to Bacon and StarCrunches!!! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Chatsworth, GA Posts: 13,667 (9.89/day) Thanks: 2,165 Thanked 5,382 Times in 3,729 Posts System Specs	How do I do the GPU betas and how would my 6950 2gb unlocked cards do in it? __________________ Cruncher's: All GPU's GPU's: 7970 3GB = 8 Threads 5770 1GB OCed = 2 Threads

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Oct 10, 2012, 12:23 AM	#19130
Norton WCG Team Assistant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Northeast, USA Posts: 5,403 (9.87/day) Thanks: 5,643 Thanked 10,688 Times in 3,333 Posts System Specs	Looks like my FX-6200 rig isn't reporting Will need to visit the rig tomorrow and see what may have happened.... hopefully it just dropped its internet connection. In any case it should be something minor- that rig has been running flawlessly for months. fingers crossed __________________ *Why sit on the Bench* when you can get in the game and Crunch!!!- World Community Grid (FTW) CPU crunchers- FX-8350(4.4)/FX-8150(4.0)/FX-6200(4.0)/ PII 1045T/PII 1045T/i7-920/Xeon (6c/12t)....(44 cores/54 threads) GPU crunchers- no WCG GPU work available Folding@Home- 2x GTX 580's/Radeon 7870 Helping the world one digit at a time...stop by our WCG Team thread and see what we do!**

Oct 10, 2012, 12:50 AM	#19131
[Ion] WCG Team Assistant Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: North Carolina, US Posts: 10,798 (7.86/day) Thanks: 8,306 Thanked 9,491 Times in 4,322 Posts System Specs	Well, on the brighter side, I have the cooler from Buck Nasty installed and the AMD X2 moved into an Antec case. It's going to sit next to my desk and crunch/fold until someone on CL wants it (I might as well get the ~1.3k PPD from it, but if I can sell it for half of the price of an AMD X8 I might as well) That, and with the cooler weather I've gotten my friend with the i5-2500k to fire his system back up---if he can keep it running this time, that's ~3.5k PPD EDIT: Here's the AMD X2 as it will remain until sold __________________ Ion's WCG Essentials Thread Crunching (64 Threads + 896 CUDA Cores + 6272 Shaders): i3-2100@ 3.1 + HD7850 -- Atom D510 @ 1.66 -- C2D-M T9600 @ 2.8 -- i7-3612QM @ 2.8 -- i7-860 @ 2.9 + HD7950 -- i7-2700k @ 4.4 + 2xGTX470 -- PentDC-M T4200 @ 2.0 -- i7-920 @ 3.83 + 3xHD7770 -- DP Xeon E5420 @ 2.5 + HD7930 -- E1600 @ 2.4 Last edited by [Ion]; Oct 10, 2012 at 01:11 AM.

Oct 10, 2012, 01:02 AM	#19132
ThE_MaD_ShOt Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hi! I'm from the Internet Posts: 3,810 (6.70/day) Thanks: 2,641 Thanked 2,518 Times in 1,507 Posts System Specs	Well chucky didn't have as good day today. Most of his wu went to the pending pile LOL so it will be a few more days before he spools up to full speed. Damn thing is up to 2 pages of pendings so far. About 3k in points there . But the way I have things now, I have done made myself some more room for 1 more cruncher. It will be awhile before I even think about another rig though. Name for the next one will be "Bride of Chucky" __________________ Crunchers : Phenom II x6 1090t / 2x Phenom II x6 1055t / Phenom II x4 970BE / “I always succed in my mission tho. Beer just delays it!” -ChaoticAtmosphere “TPU is very mild, and I love to tell people I love them when they are being retarded, it makes me feel special in my special places. What was the point of this thread again? Oh well, I love all of you.” -Steevo “Feels like I am being punished by a team of dumbasses for being slighty more intelligent than a waffle!” -Arjai

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Oct 10, 2012, 02:05 AM	#19133
Norton WCG Team Assistant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Northeast, USA Posts: 5,403 (9.87/day) Thanks: 5,643 Thanked 10,688 Times in 3,333 Posts System Specs	Looks like the FX-6200 rig is still running. The rig dropped 3+ pages of valid results just after the deadline. Still strange that the reporting seems to have gone to about once per day from reporting as work is completed so I'll need to check that? __________________ *Why sit on the Bench* when you can get in the game and Crunch!!!- World Community Grid (FTW) CPU crunchers- FX-8350(4.4)/FX-8150(4.0)/FX-6200(4.0)/ PII 1045T/PII 1045T/i7-920/Xeon (6c/12t)....(44 cores/54 threads) GPU crunchers- no WCG GPU work available Folding@Home- 2x GTX 580's/Radeon 7870 Helping the world one digit at a time...stop by our WCG Team thread and see what we do!**

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Oct 10, 2012, 08:18 PM	#19137
agent00skid Join Date: May 2012 Location: Denmark Posts: 375 (0.92/day) Thanks: 18 Thanked 156 Times in 89 Posts System Specs	sigh Is it good that I've begun to expect BSODs at least monthly for both my systems?

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Oct 10, 2012, 08:28 PM	#19139
agent00skid Join Date: May 2012 Location: Denmark Posts: 375 (0.92/day) Thanks: 18 Thanked 156 Times in 89 Posts System Specs	Good news. It's only my laptop that craps. Forgot I fiddled with memory and NB voltage recently on my desktop. My laptop, I don't know though. Happens when I'm shutting it down, or doing something on my desktop. Never when I'm actually using. Also, the about 1,5k PPD for my desktop seems to be fairly accurate. Last edited by agent00skid; Oct 10, 2012 at 08:42 PM.

Oct 10, 2012, 08:43 PM	#19140
Norton WCG Team Assistant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Northeast, USA Posts: 5,403 (9.87/day) Thanks: 5,643 Thanked 10,688 Times in 3,333 Posts System Specs	AMD Vishera inventory is expected to arrive 10/30!!! Link: http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/s.cgi...=1&s_all=HKBOX @agent00skid- what temp is that laptop running at or is the BSOD coming after it's idle/cooled off? __________________ *Why sit on the Bench* when you can get in the game and Crunch!!!- World Community Grid (FTW) CPU crunchers- FX-8350(4.4)/FX-8150(4.0)/FX-6200(4.0)/ PII 1045T/PII 1045T/i7-920/Xeon (6c/12t)....(44 cores/54 threads) GPU crunchers- no WCG GPU work available Folding@Home- 2x GTX 580's/Radeon 7870 Helping the world one digit at a time...stop by our WCG Team thread and see what we do!**

Oct 10, 2012, 09:05 PM	#19143
Aquinus Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Dover, New Hampshire, USA Posts: 4,508 (8.86/day) Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 1,424 Times in 1,064 Posts System Specs	Whoop! Just got myself some GPU WUs. Mmm. Nothing like crunching on two GPUs. Edit: They finished before my eyes. xD Attached Thumbnails __________________ MyHeat

Oct 10, 2012, 09:10 PM	#19145
HammerON The Watchful Moderator Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: The Cold North Posts: 4,470 (2.84/day) Thanks: 4,064 Thanked 2,999 Times in 1,578 Posts System Specs	Maybe I will see if I can get my 2 GTX 580's crunching...

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Oct 10, 2012, 09:18 PM	#19147
agent00skid Join Date: May 2012 Location: Denmark Posts: 375 (0.92/day) Thanks: 18 Thanked 156 Times in 89 Posts System Specs	It doesn't say beta anywhere on them, does it? Edit 2: Oh yeah, they're for real. So I guess I'll no longer be able to game. Edit: And I'm fighting to keep my laptop below 70°c. Last edited by agent00skid; Oct 10, 2012 at 09:23 PM.

Oct 10, 2012, 10:44 PM	#19149
ThE_MaD_ShOt Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hi! I'm from the Internet Posts: 3,810 (6.70/day) Thanks: 2,641 Thanked 2,518 Times in 1,507 Posts System Specs	4 down and they are still coming in. __________________ Crunchers : Phenom II x6 1090t / 2x Phenom II x6 1055t / Phenom II x4 970BE / “I always succed in my mission tho. Beer just delays it!” -ChaoticAtmosphere “TPU is very mild, and I love to tell people I love them when they are being retarded, it makes me feel special in my special places. What was the point of this thread again? Oh well, I love all of you.” -Steevo “Feels like I am being punished by a team of dumbasses for being slighty more intelligent than a waffle!” -Arjai

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