Hard Drives= Number 1 Failing Component? - Page 2

STCNE · Oct 10, 2012, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by cdawall

Mine were not cheap boards...

ASUS?

cdawall · Oct 10, 2012, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by STCNE

ASUS?

Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, ECS, Asrock, the list goes on.

D007 · Oct 10, 2012, 04:47 PM

I know I have experienced hard drive failure within that limit twice.. I've only been building pc's since I joined TPU.. 2 Failures since 2007.. They are garbage I guess. I just thought I always screwed something up..

But I guess the greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the wolrd he didn't exist..
Kind of like how HD manufacturers convinced us it was our fault or "extremely" unlikley to fail within that time..
Better start backing up more often..lol..

Cruise51 · Oct 10, 2012, 05:30 PM

No. Only had one hard drive fail. Though I've had a crap load of motherboards die. Power supplies are the worst since they tend to invite other parts over for a group suicide.

newtekie1 · Oct 10, 2012, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cdawall

I think I have killed more motherboards than HDD's and PSU's combined.

Yeah, but you probably push the boards too, 90% of the computer population run pre-builts with no way to push components beyond their specs.

Though there are a lot of shit boards out there in pre-builts with popped caps from the Pentium 4 era, Dells seem to be the worst.

nt300 · Oct 10, 2012, 06:17 PM

What I find irritating is Seagate and WD both reduces the warranty period due to a larger number of hard driver failures. Should this be the other way around? Take care of your customers. This tell s me that they are no longer confident about their own products they sell.

Chevalr1c · Oct 10, 2012, 08:02 PM

^That may be a sign that they try to prepare for and adapt to changes in the storage market.

newtekie1 · Oct 10, 2012, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nt300

What I find irritating is Seagate and WD both reduces the warranty period due to a larger number of hard driver failures. Should this be the other way around? Take care of your customers. This tell s me that they are no longer confident about their own products they sell.

A reduction in warranty period doesn't mean a reduction in product quality, reducing the warranty period is a cost saving measure. When they figure the cost on a drive they include a certain margin to cover the small number of warranty replacements for that model. Reducing the warranty length reduces the amount of margin that is set aside and lowers the cost of the drive.

St.Alia-Of-The-Knife · Oct 10, 2012, 09:17 PM

Ive never had an hdd going bad on me before, guess i might expect it soon...

Solaris17 · Oct 10, 2012, 09:23 PM

this only makes sense. First off in my experience laptop drives will be the first to go. I mean its not like desktops fall off your lap everyday. Secondly this type of thing can be said about almost any component machanical or not. I have a via pci card i use for testing. iv dropped it knocked it off my table set boxes on it and it hasent failed me yet. But current cards failure rates are much higher. it makes sense to me that a 320mb drive from 1989 still works when a 3TB seagate fails after getting too hot. as technology and performance improve the fault tolerence from what iv seen goes down. its all more fragile. Saying companies are screwing customers are that they are making the drives moe failure prown is non-sense and misinforming new members. thats like saying

this

should have the same failure rate as

this

doesnt make sense.

[XC] Oj101 · Oct 10, 2012, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by newtekie1

The two items I see fail most are hard drives and power supplies. I'd be hard for me to pick out which one I replace more often.

Oddly enough cold is a major problem as well for hard drives. When google released their hard drive failure statistics, they showed that drives that ran at 20°C had higher failure rates than drives that ran at 50°C.

I would imagine so. The ideal temperature for a hard drive would be a fine balance between cool enough to last and warm enough for the lubricant to be close to its maximum viscosity. I remember reading years ago that 45'c to 55'c is the ideal range for maximizing life out of a drive.

Jetster · Oct 10, 2012, 11:19 PM

This is why I change mine every 3 years

cdawall · Oct 10, 2012, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newtekie1

Yeah, but you probably push the boards too, 90% of the computer population run pre-builts with no way to push components beyond their specs.

Though there are a lot of shit boards out there in pre-builts with popped caps from the Pentium 4 era, Dells seem to be the worst.

Most of them died when volts were a smidge high...

Widjaja · Oct 11, 2012, 01:16 AM

Dust seems to be the number one culprit of the failed HDDs in my experience.
Secondly PSU.
Thirdly dropped laptop while HDD is spinning.

The only time I have had HDDs fail of my own are due to dropping them and plugging them into a faulty USB bay.

johnspack · Oct 11, 2012, 02:22 AM

I deal with a lot of old systems I either have to repair, or inherit to scrounge parts out of so I can keep repairing old systems. I have what I call a "dead drive stack"... typically upto 10 hds I had to pull out of systems because they are dead. I find it's the 1gb+ drives that end up there most. Older drives seem to keep running forever. I still have a 40mb mfm seagate that still works.

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Oct 10, 2012, 04:47 PM	#28
D007 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pompano beach, Florida Posts: 2,466 (1.09/day) Thanks: 456 Thanked 331 Times in 264 Posts System Specs	I know I have experienced hard drive failure within that limit twice.. I've only been building pc's since I joined TPU.. 2 Failures since 2007.. They are garbage I guess. I just thought I always screwed something up.. But I guess the greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the wolrd he didn't exist.. Kind of like how HD manufacturers convinced us it was our fault or "extremely" unlikley to fail within that time.. Better start backing up more often..lol.. __________________ There is nothing more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. "Martin Luther King"

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Oct 10, 2012, 05:30 PM	#29
Cruise51 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 52 (0.09/day) Thanks: 4 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts System Specs	No. Only had one hard drive fail. Though I've had a crap load of motherboards die. Power supplies are the worst since they tend to invite other parts over for a group suicide.

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Oct 10, 2012, 06:17 PM	#31
nt300 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Toronto, ON. Canada Posts: 731 (0.60/day) Thanks: 628 Thanked 160 Times in 99 Posts System Specs	What I find irritating is Seagate and WD both reduces the warranty period due to a larger number of hard driver failures. Should this be the other way around? Take care of your customers. This tell s me that they are no longer confident about their own products they sell. __________________

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Oct 10, 2012, 08:02 PM	#32
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Solaris17 Creator Solaris Utility DVD Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Reinacting scenes from platoon with Charlie Sheen Posts: 13,708 (4.83/day) Thanks: 4,366 Thanked 3,295 Times in 2,311 Posts System Specs	this only makes sense. First off in my experience laptop drives will be the first to go. I mean its not like desktops fall off your lap everyday. Secondly this type of thing can be said about almost any component machanical or not. I have a via pci card i use for testing. iv dropped it knocked it off my table set boxes on it and it hasent failed me yet. But current cards failure rates are much higher. it makes sense to me that a 320mb drive from 1989 still works when a 3TB seagate fails after getting too hot. as technology and performance improve the fault tolerence from what iv seen goes down. its all more fragile. Saying companies are screwing customers are that they are making the drives moe failure prown is non-sense and misinforming new members. thats like saying this should have the same failure rate as this doesnt make sense. __________________ I Made the Millionth post! \| "Please come to WI now so I can beat you over the head with a bratwurst."-Kreij PS3 mod 8500/8600GT Mod Guide Rebuild a Copperhead Heat Ware NF4 Ultra SLI Mod Solaris Utility DVD 4.0 Broken CPU pin guide Vista Mark Last edited by Solaris17; Oct 10, 2012 at 09:29 PM.

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Oct 10, 2012, 11:19 PM	#37
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Oct 11, 2012, 01:16 AM	#39
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Oct 11, 2012, 02:22 AM	#40
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