Your PC ATM - Page 885

badtaylorx · Oct 14, 2012, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mlee49

A) What video cards are those? Sparkle I presume, but why no purple?

B) What blocks are on them?

C) Why 3 separate 120mm rads?

lil background.....a lopr is an acronym for left over parts rig....i hit up a going out of buisness best buy and bought 2 h70s 2h60s and an antec 620 for just over $100....this rig is just me f'n around....

so the blocks are the pumps as well...1h70 and 1h60....and the 4 120mm rads.....its what i had laying around....

those cards are sparkle calibre edition 560ti...i haven't run them with water yet....but on air i had them up to 1042MHz(both) and hit P10400 on 3d11...
so im kinda exited

Animalpak · Oct 14, 2012, 01:35 AM

That grey fan capture my attention a republic of gamers fan sticker ? With Cooler Master Excalibur frame fan ?

darkangel0504 · Oct 14, 2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Soup

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badtaylorx · Oct 14, 2012, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Animalpak

That grey fan capture my attention a republic of gamers fan sticker ? With Cooler Master Excalibur frame fan ?

good eye.....

cdawall · Oct 14, 2012, 06:16 PM

While the lian li is down to have the loop redone using the techbench

cadaveca · Oct 14, 2012, 06:19 PM

I heard you like fans, So I put some fan in your fan?

cdawall · Oct 14, 2012, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadaveca

I heard you like fans, So I put some fan in your fan?

The middlemost fans are hollow acting as shrouds removing the dead spot increasing performance. It's push/pull with the 255CFM fans@5v.

http://martinsliquidlab.i4memory.com...ng-Review.html

cadaveca · Oct 14, 2012, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdawall

The middlemost fans are hollow acting as shrouds removing the dead spot increasing performance. It's push/pull with the 255CFM fans@5v.

http://img.techpowerup.org/121014/Capture019.jpg

http://martinsliquidlab.i4memory.com...ng-Review.html

Yeah, I get all that, but at some point, you need more rad than you need more fan.

cdawall · Oct 14, 2012, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Yeah, I get all that, but at some point, you need more rad than you need more fan.

Remember this is a temp setup for the tech bench only.

Plenty of radiator in the main rig MCR420+MCR320+MCR220. The pair of laings or going to be put in series in a dual 5.25" bay res.

phill · Oct 14, 2012, 08:57 PM

When I had two triple rads together, I found that it made little to no difference in the temps

What will you be cooling with the three rads??

cdawall · Oct 14, 2012, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phill

When I had two triple rads together, I found that it made little to no difference in the temps

What will you be cooling with the three rads??

I don't care for lowering the idle temps. With the multiple rads there is a very very small Tjunction between load and idle temps. It is cooling my Phenom and a pair of watercooled GTX470's. Before it was just cooling the Phenom and kept load temps under 40C with 1.57v applied to it which throws it into the 200w range.

t_ski · Oct 15, 2012, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cdawall

Remember this is a temp setup for the tech bench only.

http://img.techpowerup.org/121014/20121014_123641.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/121014/20121014_123701.jpg

Plenty of radiator in the main rig MCR420+MCR320+MCR220. The pair of laings or going to be put in series in a dual 5.25" bay res.

Let me know if you need a dual-bay res. I can hook you up with a good deal on one.

cdawall · Oct 15, 2012, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by t_ski

Let me know if you need a dual-bay res. I can hook you up with a good deal on one.

Does it happen to hold a pair of laing D5's?

t_ski · Oct 15, 2012, 01:29 AM

Sadly, no

cdawall · Oct 15, 2012, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by t_ski

Sadly, no

Crappy I have to be able to stuff a pair of D5's into it to make my loop work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Yeah, I get all that, but at some point, you need more rad than you need more fan.

Just for you

Full CPU load at 40C

Jetster · Oct 15, 2012, 02:21 AM

Your doing that outside in the snow right?

cdawall · Oct 15, 2012, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetster

Your doing that outside in the snow right?

Nope sitting on my desk as in the previous picture.

xBruce88x · Oct 15, 2012, 03:08 AM

I believe it... My CPU using a whopping 140w and I manage to keep it at around 43c at load on air cooling, though the A/C stays on.

I need to upgrade to am3/am3+ soon. According to a PSU Calculator... if i were to OC mine to 3.7ghz, the most Tom's Hardware could get out of it, I'd be pushing 275w! well... if i had to use the voltage they used.

cdawall · Oct 15, 2012, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xBruce88x

I believe it... My CPU using a whopping 140w and I manage to keep it at around 43c at load on air cooling, though the A/C stays on.

I need to upgrade to am3/am3+ soon. According to a PSU Calculator... if i were to OC mine to 3.7ghz, the most Tom's Hardware could get out of it, I'd be pushing 275w! well... if i had to use the voltage they used.

The H70 is no better than a high end air cooler so I am not surprised either.

ChaoticG8R · Oct 15, 2012, 10:27 AM

Decided to get my desktop up and running after my move. Upon plugging everything in, the top fan sounded like it was out of sync or something weird...basically it was making a cyclic whir instead of a monotone hum. Anywho, went ahead and cleaned it up a bit, and while disassembling, went ahead and rerouted cables a little more cleanly. This case is nice and quiet, but isn't exactly a king of wire management but it is certainly in a prettier state then it was before.

Before:

After:

Yea, I definitely like it more now. Also replaced the bottom Thermaltake blue LED fan with a black CM one I picked up on a fire sale. Going to bed now...later

Random Murderer · Oct 15, 2012, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaoticG8R

Decided to get my desktop up and running after my move. Upon plugging everything in, the top fan sounded like it was out of sync or something weird...basically it was making a cyclic whir instead of a monotone hum. Anywho, went ahead and cleaned it up a bit, and while disassembling, went ahead and rerouted cables a little more cleanly. This case is nice and quiet, but isn't exactly a king of wire management but it is certainly in a prettier state then it was before.

Before:
http://img.techpowerup.org/121015/191s.jpg

After:
http://img.techpowerup.org/121015/IMG_2540s.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/121015/IMG_2541s.jpg

Yea, I definitely like it more now. Also replaced the bottom Thermaltake blue LED fan with a black CM one I picked up on a fire sale. Going to bed now...later

i wonder if erocker will notice that little "easter egg"

ChaoticG8R · Oct 15, 2012, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Random Murderer

i wonder if erocker will notice that little "easter egg"

shhhshhHHhhshhhhhshhhh

MT Alex · Oct 15, 2012, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaoticG8R

Decided to get my desktop up and running after my move....Going to bed now...later

That looks a hell of a lot better, and I knew she'd kick you out eventually.

phill · Oct 15, 2012, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdawall

I don't care for lowering the idle temps. With the multiple rads there is a very very small Tjunction between load and idle temps. It is cooling my Phenom and a pair of watercooled GTX470's. Before it was just cooling the Phenom and kept load temps under 40C with 1.57v applied to it which throws it into the 200w range.

I'm looking at a Chiller just to see if it works well or not.. Hopefully I can pick one up cheap and then I can start to play around with things and see just how much further I can push my little i7 920 D0

erocker · Oct 15, 2012, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Random Murderer

i wonder if erocker will notice that little "easter egg"

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaoticG8R

shhhshhHHhhshhhhhshhhh

Totally don't know what you're talking about.

Congrats on "coming out" Mr. G8R.

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Oct 14, 2012, 06:16 PM	#22105
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Oct 14, 2012, 01:35 AM	#22102
Animalpak Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 1,659 (0.85/day) Thanks: 655 Thanked 384 Times in 215 Posts System Specs	That grey fan capture my attention a republic of gamers fan sticker ? With Cooler Master Excalibur frame fan ?

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Oct 14, 2012, 06:19 PM	#22106
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Oct 14, 2012, 08:57 PM	#22110
phill Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Bridgwater, Somerset Posts: 291 (0.39/day) Thanks: 595 Thanked 187 Times in 96 Posts System Specs	When I had two triple rads together, I found that it made little to no difference in the temps What will you be cooling with the three rads??

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Oct 15, 2012, 03:08 AM	#22118
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Oct 15, 2012, 10:27 AM	#22120
ChaoticG8R Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 186 (0.32/day) Thanks: 12 Thanked 134 Times in 68 Posts System Specs	Decided to get my desktop up and running after my move. Upon plugging everything in, the top fan sounded like it was out of sync or something weird...basically it was making a cyclic whir instead of a monotone hum. Anywho, went ahead and cleaned it up a bit, and while disassembling, went ahead and rerouted cables a little more cleanly. This case is nice and quiet, but isn't exactly a king of wire management but it is certainly in a prettier state then it was before. Before: After: Yea, I definitely like it more now. Also replaced the bottom Thermaltake blue LED fan with a black CM one I picked up on a fire sale. Going to bed now...later __________________ Last edited by erocker; Oct 15, 2012 at 09:35 PM.

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