AMD's Graphics going under?

[james888]

Originally Posted by drdeathx

What about Apple?

Originally Posted by Super XP

I hope not, or it's no more buying AMD for me if Apple buys them.

Could the apple factor make amd go mainstream? Just because it is apple you know.

General geeks are not wooed by apple. Amd hate threads would take to a new level also.

What about samsung?

[DaedalusHelios]

Originally Posted by james888

Could the apple factor make amd go mainstream? Just because it is apple you know.

General geeks are not wooed by apple. Amd hate threads would take to a new level also.

What about samsung?

Given Samsung's reputation I think that would be great for AMD to be bought by them. I remember reading somewhere that Samsung is the most trusted brand in the American electronics market.

[james888]

Nevermind samsung. Apple will sue them for a patent infringement.

[Phusius]

AMD is not finished just yet folks. Keep the buyout talks on the down low.

[james888]

I got it. Ati will buy amd...

[DaedalusHelios]

Originally Posted by Phusius

AMD is not finished just yet folks. Keep the buyout talks on the down low.

Of course it's not finished. It is a zombie. I just want to see it reach its potential again. Right now it is the homeless guy living in a tent just begging for another chance at life. IBM and Samsung could give it that must needed revenue to really succeed again.

Originally Posted by james888

I got it. Ati will buy amd...

A subsidiary can't buy a parent company. Or were you just joking?

[james888]

Ati could then make agu's. Advanced graphical units with heterogeneous gpu cpu design.

[anubis44]

Originally Posted by james888

Could the apple factor make amd go mainstream? Just because it is apple you know.

General geeks are not wooed by apple. Amd hate threads would take to a new level also.

What about samsung?

Apple could make the most use of AMD of any possible investor/merger partner/buyer.

AMD already has more experience with fusing GPUs and CPUs than any other company in the world, and that's what Apple needs to do to differentiate their ARM designs from others. AMD, with Apple's massive cash pile, could also once and for all vanquish Intel in x86 processor design - they'd actually have a LARGER R&D budget than Intel! And even if Intel could somehow revoke the x86 processor license, a merged AMD/Apple juggernaut would simply design 64 bit ARM-based cpus. (Not to mention, Apple would also get Jim Keller back!) Basically, Apple could sew up the entire computing gamut from the smallest smart phone to the world's fastest x86/GPU-accelerated supercomputers. But because this would finally once and for all guarantee Apple's final victory over Microsoft, Intel, Google and Samsung, and vindicate the perceived wrongs perpetrated against Steve Jobs, and cement Apple's dominance as the world's technological overlord for at least an entire generation, and guarantee that the iconic Apple logo would be visible on most of the devices, tablets, notebooks, desktops, and supercomputers we'll see in everyday life.... it probably won't happen! Still, it would be the smartest 'check-mate' move for Apple to make (they could buy AMD with pocket change right now and barely feel it) and certainly, Rory Read's clearing of the decks (layoffs to thin the company out) could be congruent with a preparation for a merger...

Really, my favourite scenario is an AMD/nVidia merger, so that Jen Hsun and the AMD team can take the fight directly to Intel using Steamroller x86 cores and AMD/nVidia optimized graphics cards/APUs. This would be the most dramatic and satisfying scenario for AMD. nVidia has enough money in cash to properly finance the next generation of x86 processor cores (as well as next gen ARM/fusion designs). Finally (and yes, I'm aware of the price implications of this), a combined AMD/nVidia would have a lock on the dedicated graphics card market, which would give them the money to finance their future together against Intel and other opponents.

As much as I have had issues with nVidia over the years, I see this as dramatically better than an AMD bankruptcy.

[DaedalusHelios]

But anubis44, Intel still has better engineers for x86 designs. Money means something, but not everything. Intel has been buying the best and brightest for quite some time now. Are you saying they would somehow be able to get them from Intel by paying them ridiculous sums of money? I would imagine most enter a lengthy contract that would have to be bought out. Also remember Apple is focused on the emerging market and not x86 desktops. Perhaps you are saying ARM mini-desktops?

I could see Apple buy it just for patent rape of other companies though.

[james888]

Originally Posted by DaedalusHelios

I could see Apple buy it just for patent rape of other companies though.

Apple is such a patent pedophile.

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by DaedalusHelios

But anubis44, Intel still has better engineers for x86 designs. Money means something, but not everything. Intel has been buying the best and brightest for quite some time now. Are you saying they would somehow be able to get them from Intel by paying them ridiculous sums of money? I would imagine most enter a lengthy contract that would have to be bought out. Also remember Apple is focused on the emerging market and not x86 desktops. Perhaps you are saying ARM mini-desktops?

I could see Apple buy it just for patent rape of other companies though.

Dude, AMD has some of the best for x86/x64 (Or did lol). Who do you think produced the first successful 64 bit CPUs? Definitely wasn't Intel, as their Itaniums failed horribly. Now with every Intel CPU being sold AMD is making money of them because it uses AMDs basic 64 bit architecture, and Intel is paying the license fees.

[DaedalusHelios]

Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

Dude, AMD has some of the best for x86/x64 (Or did lol). Who do you think produced the first successful 64 bit CPUs? Definitely wasn't Intel, as their Itaniums failed horribly. Now with every Intel CPU being sold AMD is making money of them because it uses AMDs basic 64 bit architecture, and Intel is paying the license fees.

We all know that. Most also know Intel has been buying up all the talent in the last 5 years or so. They stack their dev teams like the Yankees stacks rosters. I am not really a fan of that in baseball so I stopped watching baseball about a decade ago. My point is that history teaches you that Intel was doing great long before they had the best offerings. Now that they also have the best tech in x86 they obviously have an extreme advantage. Not to mention having most of the market feeding their coffers. Even if Intel didn't have the best tech they would still be making more thanks to superior negotiating skills. So much so that the EU extorted money from them. Remember that money grab? I am surprised the EU hasn't done it to Apple yet.

[eidairaman1]

i could see Google Doing the IP stuff. But i dont think AMD is going down whether CPU or GPU division

[DaedalusHelios]

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

i could see Google Doing the IP stuff. But i dont think AMD is going down whether CPU or GPU division

I hope you are right. And GPU wise they are doing great. Its the x86 I am worried about.

[_JP_]

Originally Posted by james888

Apple is such a patent pedophile.

Since when have patents got anything to do with children?

[theoneandonlymrk]

Imho Amd's gfx division will be fine , they are unlikely to cull anything they need imho, all these companys are up against the wall at the minute becuase no ones buying its that simple, to make more drama of it isnt required,,, Amd leads the way in something yet again, market awareness.

Originally Posted by DaedalusHelios

I hope you are right. And GPU wise they are doing great. Its the x86 I am worried about.

worry not x86 is not going to stop working on Amd stuff and peoples interest in high Ipc confuses me as even the most ardent bench tester probably still watches more telly/ games and surfs more on their Pc then they run Pi, and they work fine.

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by DaedalusHelios

I hope you are right. And GPU wise they are doing great. Its the x86 I am worried about.

AMD is doing fine. Maybe not in the enthusiast market and desktop CPU market, but AMD's focus hasn't been desktop performance crown for the last year or 2 and it makes sense. Desktops aren't going to be mainstream that much longer. ITs going to be laptops, tablets, and phones. Theres a reason why AMD has been pushing these APUs, and are successful at it. Also on the enterprise front in servers and such, they are doing pretty well. People don't know what they are talking about when they say AMD is going under or are in trouble.

[Super XP]

AMD will continue to succeed in Servers, APU's and Graphics, while still staying competitive in the desktop space. My only concern is the decisions the company is making as of late.
IMHO, AMD is not going under, is not going to be merged anytime soon. AMD was at one point in the past in very hard times with a stock price of less than $1.50. About a year later (Athlon 64 era I believe) that stock price ballooned to over $40 per share.

I can see AMD coming back with a vengeance in around 2013-2014 when it's Steamroller tech has a chance to circulate within the channels and Excavator adding to that success. APU's are going to play a massive role in computers, especially with how crazy expandable its module CPU design is.

[os2wiz]

Originally Posted by Super XP

AMD will continue to succeed in Servers, APU's and Graphics, while still staying competitive in the desktop space. My only concern is the decisions the company is making as of late.
IMHO, AMD is not going under, is not going to be merged anytime soon. AMD was at one point in the past in very hard times with a stock price of less than $1.50. About a year later (Athlon 64 era I believe) that stock price ballooned to over $40 per share.

I can see AMD coming back with a vengeance in around 2013-2014 when it's Steamroller tech has a chance to circulate within the channels and Excavator adding to that success. APU's are going to play a massive role in computers, especially with how crazy expandable its module CPU design is.

In a sense you are correct, but we are mired in the first global depression in 80 years. It is not going away soon and is in fact intensifying. It is possible that AMD and a whole host of other corporations in various industries may eventually go under. I hope not , because we definitely need somebody to put the heat on Intel's monopoly and overpricing of cpus and chipsets. But their is a systemic reality out there that is very negative and not disappearing anytime soon.

[Radical_Edward]

I like AMD, hope they pull their heads out of their asses and get things going right again. To loose their GPU department would be stupid at this point.

If AMD does go down I'd be ready for Intel chip pricing to go up at least 30%.

[DaedalusHelios]

Originally Posted by os2wiz

In a sense you are correct, but we are mired in the first global depression in 80 years. It is not going away soon and is in fact intensifying. It is possible that AMD and a whole host of other corporations in various industries may eventually go under. I hope not , because we definitely need somebody to put the heat on Intel's monopoly and overpricing of cpus and chipsets. But their is a systemic reality out there that is very negative and not disappearing anytime soon.

The United States is recovering. Certain EU countries are having serious trouble. Brazil is set to have serious growth when the Interoceanic Highway gets completed. They will be the bread basket of China(their food source). For the EU they may be facing just a little bit of global equilibrium coming into effect since they are getting screwed by Russian oil agreements and Chinese trade agreements at the same time. Its a gang bang, grab some popcorn.

[james888]

This thread got derailed by a bit of politics in my opinion. I made a thread in general nonsense to discuss that aspect. http://www.generalnonsense.net/showthread.php?t=10231

[os2wiz]

Originally Posted by DaedalusHelios

The United States is recovering. Certain EU countries are having serious trouble. Brazil is set to have serious growth when the Interoceanic Highway gets completed. They will be the bread basket of China(their food source). For the EU they may be facing just a little bit of global equilibrium coming into effect since they are getting screwed by Russian oil agreements and Chinese trade agreements at the same time. Its a gang bang, grab some popcorn.

Not true, the Great Depression lasted 13 years and during it there were a few years where some similar anemic recovery came and then relapsed to the bottom again. The so called recovery actually has the number of people without jobs steadily increasing, as they cook the books by having the labor force contracting to make it like those without jobs don't want jobs so they are no longer unemployed. During the Great Depression unemployment reached 25% but they did NOT play the same game with numbers back then. Everyone who couldn't find work or wanted a job was counted. After WW II to make it look like there was full employment they changed the rules by NOT counting you as unemployed unless you were actively seeking work every week of every month. You would magically somehow disappear from the statistics. Those who work a 14 or 20 hour week part-time job were considered employed even though they could NOT obtain a full time job and desired one. The actual unemployment figures are approximately double of what the "official" lies the government broadcasts. Those college student s who graduate and can't find work are not counted. Those whose unemployment benefits have expired after a year are NOT counted. There are 24 million people who are really unemployed in the US. The true unemployment rater is 18%. Even in "good" times unemployment has never actually gone below 7% of the actual labor force. In Spain they keep quite accurate unemployment numbers , not doctored ones like here. Their unemployment rate is now 24 %

Live with the truth or die by its sword!

[os2wiz]

When I replied I did NOT see James888 post. Sorry.

[erocker]

Originally Posted by os2wiz

When I replied I did NOT see James888 post. Sorry.

I'll give you some time to copy and paste it over on the other thread before deleting it. This thread has gone off topic enough.