AMD FX "Vishera" Processor Pricing Revealed - Page 8

cdawall · Oct 15, 2012, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cadaveca

All I wanna know is "N" or "T" pcb.

That would be an N.

PCP not PCB buddy

os2wiz · Oct 15, 2012, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cadaveca

All I wanna know is "N" or "T" pcb.

Could you please relate to me which variation of peyote or enhanced MaryJane you are using.

cadaveca · Oct 15, 2012, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by os2wiz

Could you please relate to me which variation of peyote or enhanced MaryJane you are using.

meh. Just some thing I've been following for oh...10 years or so.

Doesn't seem to matter with all CPUs, but AMD outs two PCBs currently that I know of, one marked witth a "T", and one marked with an "N".

Does it really matter? To normal people, no.

To those that search for the "golden egg" chips out in the wild for extreme clocking, minute differences in CPU manufacturing, including dates and such things, can seem to be important.

If AMD is smart, I personally believe they stand to benefit from opening up informationally a bit about their binning process, or even salting certain "batches" as needed.

Alas, I'd like to partake in discussion of the topic at hand, but cannot, so there ya go.

os2wiz · Oct 15, 2012, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cadaveca

meh. Just some thing I've been following for oh...10 years or so.

Doesn't seem to matter with all CPUs, but AMD outs two PCBs currently that I know of, one marked witth a "T", and one marked with an "N".

Does it really matter? To normal people, no.

To those that search for the "golden egg" chips out in the wild for extreme clocking, minute differences in CPU manufacturing, including dates and such things, can seem to be important.

If AMD is smart, I personally believe they stand to benefit from opening up informationally a bit about their binning process, or even salting certain "batches" as needed.

Alas, I'd like to partake in discussion of the topic at hand, but cannot, so there ya go.

NDA no doubt!

eidairaman1 · Oct 16, 2012, 04:07 AM

It was the Same during the Athlon XP days too, after week 39 of 2003 Desktop CPUs were being locked, Mobile chips were the way to go for most part. Fastest AXP Chips clocked to 2.8-3.0GHz under high voltage, no LN2 Used either

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadaveca

meh. Just some thing I've been following for oh...10 years or so.

Doesn't seem to matter with all CPUs, but AMD outs two PCBs currently that I know of, one marked witth a "T", and one marked with an "N".

Does it really matter? To normal people, no.

To those that search for the "golden egg" chips out in the wild for extreme clocking, minute differences in CPU manufacturing, including dates and such things, can seem to be important.

If AMD is smart, I personally believe they stand to benefit from opening up informationally a bit about their binning process, or even salting certain "batches" as needed.

Alas, I'd like to partake in discussion of the topic at hand, but cannot, so there ya go.

Super XP · Oct 16, 2012, 03:56 PM

Vishera prices have gone down?
http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/s.cgi...=1&s_all=HKBOX

If this is true, why did AMD drop the prices B4 the release? Or these were always the price and the original leak was overpriced for early adopters.

Covert_Death · Oct 16, 2012, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Vishera prices have gone down?
http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/s.cgi...=1&s_all=HKBOX

If this is true, why did AMD drop the prices B4 the release? Or these were always the price and the original leak was overpriced for early adopters.

208 for the 8350..... now we are talking

Horrux · Oct 16, 2012, 05:54 PM

Aren't we just a few days out from Piledriver release? Anyone seen any benchies?

Also... This doesn't bode too too well: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...-off-thousands

os2wiz · Oct 16, 2012, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Vishera prices have gone down?
http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/s.cgi...=1&s_all=HKBOX

If this is true, why did AMD drop the prices B4 the release? Or these were always the price and the original leak was overpriced for early adopters.

AMD has nothing to do with pre-order pricing. Most of the places taking pre-orders are scalping their customers. I guess BLT.com decided they could make money the honest way. This is nothing new. The retailers did it with Bulldozer also. Though the p[rice at bltcom is way lower then the price Bulldozer was at even 3 months after product availability. I think AMD knew they could not get away with selling Vishera at prices above what a Intel I5 3570 was going for when its performance overall will be slightly below that level. It is priced at the level of a I-5 2500k which is a good spot for it. Overall it performs a little better than I-5 2500k in my opinion.

suraswami · Oct 16, 2012, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Vishera prices have gone down?
http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/s.cgi...=1&s_all=HKBOX

If this is true, why did AMD drop the prices B4 the release? Or these were always the price and the original leak was overpriced for early adopters.

hmm 8320 looks attractive for $182.

hopefully there is BF sale @ Frys or MC for under $100 (I would rather hope it's at MC, Frys is crap these days).

Super XP · Oct 17, 2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by os2wiz

AMD has nothing to do with pre-order pricing. Most of the places taking pre-orders are scalping their customers. I guess BLT.com decided they could make money the honest way. This is nothing new. The retailers did it with Bulldozer also. Though the p[rice at bltcom is way lower then the price Bulldozer was at even 3 months after product availability. I think AMD knew they could not get away with selling Vishera at prices above what a Intel I5 3570 was going for when its performance overall will be slightly below that level. It is priced at the level of a I-5 2500k which is a good spot for it. Overall it performs a little better than I-5 2500k in my opinion.

Yes but so long as AMD is making a profit. If they sell these at the right price, they will easily gain market share. Intel may have a faster product, but AMD's parts run just as good. This is where AMD needs to fight with.

os2wiz · Oct 17, 2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Yes but so long as AMD is making a profit. If they sell these at the right price, they will easily gain market share. Intel may have a faster product, but AMD's parts run just as good. This is where AMD needs to fight with.

You are absolutely right. They will have a thin margin on this product though. It would have been more gravy for them with a .28nm fabrication process.

eidairaman1 · Oct 17, 2012, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by os2wiz

AMD has nothing to do with pre-order pricing. Most of the places taking pre-orders are scalping their customers. I guess BLT.com decided they could make money the honest way. This is nothing new. The retailers did it with Bulldozer also. Though the p[rice at bltcom is way lower then the price Bulldozer was at even 3 months after product availability. I think AMD knew they could not get away with selling Vishera at prices above what a Intel I5 3570 was going for when its performance overall will be slightly below that level. It is priced at the level of a I-5 2500k which is a good spot for it. Overall it performs a little better than I-5 2500k in my opinion.

reason MSRP is there from AMD is so AMD makes a profit, Retailers/etailers tag on additional unit pricing to make a profit themselves, hey they have to be able to otherwise they go out of business then

os2wiz · Oct 17, 2012, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by eidairaman1

reason MSRP is there from AMD is so AMD makes a profit, Retailers/etailers tag on additional unit pricing to make a profit themselves, hey they have to be able to otherwise they go out of business then

MSRP is what most retailers sell the item at it usually provides about 15-20% profit margin for the retailer.

Horrux · Oct 18, 2012, 12:08 AM

I know this is about steamroller, but wasn't piledriver supposed to be released today?

NC37 · Oct 18, 2012, 12:57 AM

Thought I caught somewhere it was held off till the 23rd.

Super XP · Oct 18, 2012, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NC37

Thought I caught somewhere it was held off till the 23rd.

Yes you are correct. These delays do really suck though.

os2wiz · Oct 18, 2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Yes you are correct. These delays do really suck though.

I do not think that was a delay date. AMD never actually officially announced the launch date.
But I have heard October 23 for the past month with others claiming the 16th but with no credible proof of their claim.

os2wiz · Oct 18, 2012, 03:55 PM

I truly believe this pricing , if it allows some profit, will be great for AMD getting market share. Very good strategy if they can push the chip. I do hope they have a large enough budget to get the word out.

eidairaman1 · Oct 18, 2012, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by os2wiz

I truly believe this pricing , if it allows some profit, will be great for AMD getting market share. Very good strategy if they can push the chip. I do hope they have a large enough budget to get the word out.

this will be really pushed to OEMs, APUs too

Super XP · Oct 19, 2012, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by os2wiz

I do not think that was a delay date. AMD never actually officially announced the launch date.
But I have heard October 23 for the past month with others claiming the 16th but with no credible proof of their claim.

Originally Piledriver was suppose to be released in Q3 2012, but was pushed back to Q4 2012. But that was a while back. Things have changed

os2wiz · Oct 19, 2012, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Originally Piledriver was suppose to be released in Q3 2012, but was pushed back to Q4 2012. But that was a while back. Things have changed

Yes of course. I was referring to in the past 2 months AMD never publicly stated a launch date, though it appears it will be this Tuesday the 23rd.

Horrux · Oct 21, 2012, 11:24 AM

AMD's secrecy makes me nervous. Some people say Vishera will work well with Windows 8, but then there is this.

eidairaman1 · Oct 21, 2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Horrux

AMD's secrecy makes me nervous. Some people say Vishera will work well with Windows 8, but then there is this.

its the UI that is getting alot of people, making most not want to switch.

Horrux · Oct 21, 2012, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by eidairaman1

its the UI that is getting alot of people, making most not want to switch.

You can read too, nice.

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Oct 16, 2012, 03:56 PM	#181
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Oct 16, 2012, 05:54 PM	#183
Horrux Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 641 (0.89/day) Thanks: 335 Thanked 132 Times in 101 Posts System Specs	Aren't we just a few days out from Piledriver release? Anyone seen any benchies? Also... This doesn't bode too too well: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...-off-thousands __________________ The head honcho at the Serious Gamers' Association Criticism “However, the Intel CPU dispatcher does not only check which instruction set is supported by the CPU, it also checks the vendor ID string. If the vendor string is "GenuineIntel" then it uses the optimal code path. If the CPU is not from Intel then, in most cases, it will run the slowest possible version of the code, even if the CPU is fully compatible with a better version. ”

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Oct 18, 2012, 12:08 AM	#190
Horrux Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 641 (0.89/day) Thanks: 335 Thanked 132 Times in 101 Posts System Specs	I know this is about steamroller, but wasn't piledriver supposed to be released today? __________________ The head honcho at the Serious Gamers' Association Criticism “However, the Intel CPU dispatcher does not only check which instruction set is supported by the CPU, it also checks the vendor ID string. If the vendor string is "GenuineIntel" then it uses the optimal code path. If the CPU is not from Intel then, in most cases, it will run the slowest possible version of the code, even if the CPU is fully compatible with a better version. ”

Oct 18, 2012, 12:57 AM	#191
NC37 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The armpit of California Posts: 1,060 (0.64/day) Thanks: 156 Thanked 237 Times in 141 Posts System Specs	Thought I caught somewhere it was held off till the 23rd. __________________ "We tried to help Intel, but they don’t listen much. We’ve been telling them for years that their graphics suck…" -Steve Jobs

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Oct 18, 2012, 03:55 PM	#194
os2wiz Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Brooklyn, New York Posts: 157 (0.66/day) Thanks: 124 Thanked 67 Times in 51 Posts System Specs	I truly believe this pricing , if it allows some profit, will be great for AMD getting market share. Very good strategy if they can push the chip. I do hope they have a large enough budget to get the word out.

Oct 21, 2012, 11:24 AM	#198
Horrux Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 641 (0.89/day) Thanks: 335 Thanked 132 Times in 101 Posts System Specs	AMD's secrecy makes me nervous. Some people say Vishera will work well with Windows 8, but then there is this. __________________ The head honcho at the Serious Gamers' Association Criticism “However, the Intel CPU dispatcher does not only check which instruction set is supported by the CPU, it also checks the vendor ID string. If the vendor string is "GenuineIntel" then it uses the optimal code path. If the CPU is not from Intel then, in most cases, it will run the slowest possible version of the code, even if the CPU is fully compatible with a better version. ”

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