Solid State Drives (SSD) isn't as fast as I thought!

EastCoasthandle · Feb 24, 2007, 03:11 AM

I found a video that shows you how fast a SSD loads XP vs a regular HD. Although the type of HD is not clear. But when viewing the video the HD only lags behind the SSD (which is very expensive).

Here watch the video and see for yourself, is the cost of SSD worth what they are asking for?

tkpenalty · Feb 24, 2007, 04:52 AM

Dude... that is fast.

EastCoasthandle · Feb 24, 2007, 05:44 AM

Yes, it is fast but I thought it would have a been a tad bit faster for sustain read/write rates.

tkpenalty · Feb 24, 2007, 05:51 AM

DUDE... The load time isn't only reliant on the HDD, but the CPU and the RAM. Think man THINK!

Also this would give you 2-second loading times in games.

ktr · Feb 24, 2007, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkpenalty

DUDE... The load time isn't only reliant on the HDD, but the CPU and the RAM. Think man THINK!

Also this would give you 2-second loading times in games.

more like 2 second less than the average HDD.

SSD drives suffer slow write speeds...,equal read speeds to most hdd, and 0 second access times.

Alec§taar · Feb 24, 2007, 07:39 PM

It depends LARGELY on the Ramdisk/SSD type specifically used, & also what it is you're out to get out of them!

Well, my take on it is this, IN GENERAL, where they benefit you for performance:

They're GREAT for times when seek/access is @ a "premium" in what it is you're out to do!

(I.E.-> You DO have to find the file, first, in the Open/Read-Write/Close cycle, & everything on your system IS technically treated thus, as a file (yes, even your hardware device contexts as well, but doesn't really 'fit' here that well on using SSD's)).

So, to answer your question?

Quote:

Originally Posted by EastCoasthandle

is the cost of SSD worth what they are asking for?

On cost:

ktr, a few days ago in fact, found Gigabyte units (4gb each, possible 16gb span/stripe into single unit too) for $120 each!

See here:

Gigabyte I-RAM FTW

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=25947

(Pretty cheap imo @ least - a good "bang for the buck", for how I use a system @ least, & I note that below)

APK

P.S.=> How I use mine? Below in my signature... it works for MUCH performance gain, overall in my machine (using the SSD like how I used to use 2nd HDD's years ago, albeit on a faster media)

Plus, better ones like the:

DDRDRiveX1

Are coming (better/faster RAM than mine (PC-133 SDRAM), riding on a better/faster BUS too (PCI-e 1x) - thus, better on BURST speeds as well as superiority is seek/access because these use PCI-Express & DDR)...

& GIGABYTE has faster ones than the one KTR found too (SATA bus utilizing vs. PCI 2.2 & also DDR2 RAM iirc)... apk

Alec§taar · Feb 24, 2007, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkpenalty

Dude... that is fast.

It is...

APK

mullered07 · Feb 24, 2007, 07:45 PM

even that normal hdd booted up inlike 8 secs wtf ? mine takes 30 secs even tho i just got a new sata2 16mb pr hdd, any tips for faster startup/load times guys ? like tweaks etc ?

ktr · Feb 24, 2007, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mullered07

even that normal hdd bnooted uip inlike 8 secs wtf ? mine takes 30 secs even tho i just got a new sata2 16mb pr hdd, any tips for faster startup/load times guys ? like tweaks etc ?

That was on a fresh install of XP...no programs installed...

Alec§taar · Feb 24, 2007, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ktr

more like 2 second less than the average HDD.

For booting up from it? This I can't do on mine, older type, so I must ask if this is what you refer to, thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ktr

SSD drives suffer slow write speeds...,equal read speeds to most hdd, and 0 second access times.

You're correct on the latter part (seek/access on them rock - speed of RAM, vs. speed of mechanical disks, HUGE orders of magnitude over them on that account)...

Maybe FLASH based ones do go slower on writes, but I have never seen that in the unit I use (CENATEK), it outpaced my HDD I tested against it (120gb WD JB, pretty fast HDD for its day, fastest EIDE/PATA, & even would be good nowadays) in every area, in some not as much (writes) but it did still outpace it.

Still, IF you want a trick to 'offset' bus speed constrictions, IF YOU SEE THEM ON THIS TYPE OF SSD (Flash-memory based ones yes, I can see that, but I have never on these) & nothing riding on a particular bus type can undo that once it is saturated, ESPECIALLY for writes?

YOU CAN TELL WINDOWS TO DELAY WRITE CACHE THESE, just like any disk if you wish, as far as writes!

(... they will respond & take to that, just like you can do in a right-click of a disks' properties -> hardware tab, PROPERTIES button @ bottom (next popup window) -> hardware, Policies tab)

There, you can assign them to be "optimized for performance" (XP) or, in Server 2003, even more ("Enable write caching on disk" &/or "enabled enhanced performance", in combination if needed)...

* SOME "FYI"... for better SSD write performance.

APK

Alec§taar · Feb 24, 2007, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EastCoasthandle

Yes, it is fast but I thought it would have a been a tad bit faster for sustain read/write rates.

See the above, to offset THAT on SSD's, the way you would for any disk via delayed write mechanisms (especially for writes, per XP's single method, & Windows Server 2003's dual method, especially for writes on this one)...

* Solid-State disks is one area I have a decent amount of experience in, & I hope this all helps you for COSTS (see ktr's thread on that) & certain types of performance, above & beyond seek/access alone (where SSD's RULE)...

APK

P.S.=> Barrring costs? The DDRDriveX1 I mention above, whose author has contacted W1zz & myself a few times for & vice-a-versa on W1zz' part?? Is going to be the "Superior-Warrior" imo @ least, for consumer grade versions of these units...

It uses a FASTER RAM type in DDR, & most balanced (for burst on sustained read/write) ram type for the bus it is slated to use (PCI-e x1)... better balance in this capacity imo, than the SATA/DDR2 based Gigabyte units imo!

apk

Alec§taar · Feb 24, 2007, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mullered07

even that normal hdd booted up inlike 8 secs wtf ? mine takes 30 secs even tho i just got a new sata2 16mb pr hdd, any tips for faster startup/load times guys ? like tweaks etc ?

Faster RPM disks maybe? I split my system up hugely on disks...

Why? Rhetorical question there!

Answer - Simply because they are the SLOWEST thing by way of comparison to your CPU, GPU, & RAM! That said, splitting up tasks most SINGLE disk systems handle on 1 disk, across 2 or even 3 or more of them WILL speed things up!

(Especially today on systems w/ HDD controllers & busses that handle concurrent accesses FAR better than older ones did, that for example, made the HDD bus only act as fast as the SLOWEST disk, which is no longer true thank goodness!)

APK 1st bootdrive disk = My main disk is OS & Programs, that's LARGELY it!

APK 2nd data/downloads disk = DATA storage & downloads on yet another here!

APK SSD = & on yet another (the SSD)...

PARTITION #1: Here, I even moved my logging on apps & event logs & more from the OS + apps to my SSD + temp ops & browser caches onto its 2nd partition ( Formatted as NTFS, so I can COMPRESS the data on it RAM no less, & for GOOD reason: It's very fast, imo faster on loads because it is compressed in fact - today's CPU's are SO fast, the decompression process in SYSTEM RAM is offset by loading a TINIER file from an HDD or SSD even)

&

PARTITION #2: FAT 1st partition for my pagefile.sys (so I can make it larger, not losing 20% of the disk to MFT$ & metadata tables)!

(Stuff like browser caches & temp ops as well, & it 'caught on' world wide when I wrote about it in the 1st original "NT OS Tuning Guide" back in 1997-1998 on NTCompatible.com on std. HDD's (I say oldest, because to date? I have not seen or found one older than it was))!

However, the same principal applied, & excelled @ exceeding HDD's on, on SSD's like these as well when I did a write up on this for:

@ EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com

For CENATEK, in a review of the Solid-State disk I use now (page is down now, & ONLY recently, & the webmaster that hosted the page which CENATEK used to feature on their FRONT PAGE, even over ones from magazines in this field, was very ill, & an older gent - I hope he's ok: He has not answered my email about this)

However, since they're either gone OR down now? Well, if you'd like to verify those, write all 3 sites/companies, they will verify these accounts.

(I would demand the same myself actually, if I doubted someone, & why I mention it).

* The "System Optimization" sticky thread in the GENERAL SOFTWARE SECTION will help you even more, & not cost you a dime...

See, the principles in it are sound, & one of the VERY THINGS folks said in it that will apply to YOU?

FASTER BOOTUP TIMES!

Speed USUALLY costs MONEY... but, not in this case. Take what YOU have, & make it better, using fairly simple & easy to implement tricks + a small amount of YOUR time.

APK

P.S.=> Trimming off loading services you don't need, or drivers even, as well as various registry hacks boost that ALL TO HIGH HECK, & make it better! apk

Poisonsnak · Feb 25, 2007, 03:00 PM

I thought the main reason to go to an SSD (2.5" kind that uses flash memory, not one of those i-ram things) was to improve battery life in notebooks.

They provide a good "pro's and cons of flash ssds" on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_s...ntages_of_SSDs

Alec§taar · Feb 25, 2007, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poisonsnak

I thought the main reason to go to an SSD (2.5" kind that uses flash memory, not one of those i-ram things) was to improve battery life in notebooks.

To avoid HDD movement? I can see that in a notebook based scenario, ONLY!

However, otherwise, I wouldn't go with FLASH memory based units, @ least, not over the ones we have pictured above...

The $120 Gigabyte unit that ktr found in another posting (URL above), for the money?

Excellent buy!

IMO @ least, but perhaps NOT the 'top performer', because imo? That one's STILL COMING (bottom photo in my first post above, the DDRDRiveX1).

* 1 thing I can recall about FLASH based memory is that it has LIMITED write cycles (by far when compared w/ the SSD's shown above).

APK

EastCoasthandle · Feb 27, 2007, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkpenalty

DUDE... The load time isn't only reliant on the HDD, but the CPU and the RAM. Think man THINK!

Also this would give you 2-second loading times in games.

1. I'm interested in the overall performance of this SSD (through testing, etc). Because found within the results you will find the truth about this.
2. I seriously doubt this would load all games in 2 seconds. Therefore, I would want to see how fast this SSD loads up BF2 (for example).

Ketxxx · Feb 27, 2007, 09:11 AM

There isnt a huge difference there, watch how long it takes the SDD to go from the welcome screen to the desktop, then look at how long it takes your standard HDD, at best theres a difference of 2-3 secs. Overall a well maintained decent HDD will always be snapping at an SSD' heels. The real question is how to use physical RAM efficiently to permanently store data, as some may be aware, RAM is highly volatile and for that purpose is why a HDD is needed. I done a theory and some working practice on how RAM could be used to permanently store data some 7+ years back, while it deffinately has the capability constant usage of the RAM for applications makes it very difficult to also store all data in RAM, on top of that you have the compounding issue of every time a system is restarted \ turned off any data stored in RAM is emptied. Obviously there are solutions to this problem, but none are what can be considered ideal.

Ketxxx · Feb 27, 2007, 09:23 AM

Alec stop hiding by appearing offline, wuss

Alec§taar · Feb 27, 2007, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ketxxx

Alec stop hiding by appearing offline, wuss

"Security, SeCuRiTy, SECURITY!!!"

* By 'obscurity', lol...

APK

P.S.=> Truly, I.M. "The GHOST IN THE MACHINE!!!" baby... <- That was my old IRC parting message (close to it, on the ghost in the machine stuff) 1994-1999, & webforums signature from 1997-2006, everytime in fact...apk

Ketxxx · Feb 27, 2007, 09:30 AM

lol security, maybe. Paranoia? Deffinately

Alec§taar · Feb 27, 2007, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ketxxx

lol security, maybe. Paranoia? Deffinately

Ever see the film "StRaNgE DaYs"?

Well, this one guy has a line in it, that I DEFINITELY agree with:

"It's not how paranoid you are, BUT if you're PARANOID ENOUGH!"

* I agree...

APK

Ketxxx · Feb 27, 2007, 09:40 AM

lol. Paranoia is all well and good, but there is such a thing as too much paranoia. Havent you ever watched that episode of the simpsons where bart turns into a geek an is convinced everybody is being watched?

Alec§taar · Feb 27, 2007, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ketxxx

lol. Paranoia is all well and good, but there is such a thing as too much paranoia. Havent you ever watched that episode of the simpsons where bart turns into a geek an is convinced everybody is being watched?

"BUT, we ARE man!!!", lol...

(We're hijacking this thread, enough on this here already... pm me if needed!)

* Thanks!

APK

Alec§taar · Feb 27, 2007, 09:43 AM

AGAIN: IMO, & EXPERIENCE, as I said above, regarding Solid-State Ramdisks?

WELL - It really all depends on what you use them for (some ideas are in this post from me, OR in my signature below) & it yields as I stated above, the BEST performance for those tasks that tend to make seek/access a prime performance factor...

(HOWEVER, other things can gain as well, depending on HOW you use it!)

Quote:

Originally Posted by EastCoasthandle

1. I'm interested in the overall performance of this SSD (through testing, etc).

Right, don't blame you... so, here is a list of reviews on the kind I use below:

(I had a GOOD indication of this in a test I did for CENATEK (more on that in my P.S. below), but their site has a TON OF THEM STILL UP THERE! See the list below...)

A LIST OF SOLID-STATE DISK PERFORMANCES FROM OLDER 2003 CENATEK ROCKETDRIVE (one I use)

(FROM THESE TRADE MAGAZINES IN THIS FIELD, PC-TECH REVIEWS SITES, & TECH TV. REVIEWS & MORE)

(ALSO - KEEP IN MIND: NEW ONES LIKE THE DDRDriveX1 (soon to be released), & THE GIGABYTE IRAM/IRAM GC ARE FASTER or GOING to be, just based on the specs & electronics they use vs. older ones (slower busses used & slower RAM type used)):

Windows NT/Windows 2000/Windows.NET/Windows IT Pro mag review: Solid State Storage: Is an SSD right for you?

http://www.winnetmag.com/articles/in...rticleID=25334

Review: Blast off with Cenatek's Rocket Drive

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article49-page1.html

OC Addiction website review: CENATEK Rocket Drive SSD

http://www.devhardware.com/c/a/Stora...ket-Drive-SSD/

New! 3d Retreat's 2 Gig Rocket Drive Review

http://www.3dretreat.com/reviews/rocketdrive/

Rocket Drive Earns a 10/10 from VoidedWarranty.com

http://www.voidedwarranty.com/reviews/52/index.shtml

First Look Review of CENATEK Rocket Drive by Marty Sems, January 2002

http://www.smartcomputing.com/editor...0501/01h01.asp

CENATEK Rocket Drive Chosen as One of TechTV's Favorite Products at Comdex

http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/s...360736,00.html

Rocket Drive Featured on The Screen Savers: For Technology's Biggest Fans

http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/s...365087,00.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by EastCoasthandle

Because found within the results you will find the truth about this.

2. I seriously doubt this would load all games in 2 seconds. Therefore, I would want to see how fast this SSD loads up BF2 (for example).

It won't load games in "2 seconds flat" LITERALLY, especially bigger games... but, it should pick the files up faster, just by finding them faster...

Still - I think he may have just been using 'slang' & exaggerating it some is all though.

* ANYHOW: Do see that list of solid-state disk reviews, & of a SLOWER, OLDER, NON-BOOTING OF THE OS type in the CENATEK RocketDrive from my list above, for ALL of your guys' reference on this topic!

APK

P.S.=> Heh, my review used to be the "featured one" on their front page of the CENATEK site, even over the others from the likes of Windows IT Pro mag, & TechTV, but it's server is down, or something happened BAD... & I think the guy that hosted the site it was on might be dead, which would suck! He has not replied to me in a coming up on a week now, regarding this review of mine being down... & this is NOT good.

The man was a GOOD guy, but old & in poor health last I knew of... if he's gone? God rest your soul Henk, if you're gone to that "rocketdrive in the sky" man...! apk

EastCoasthandle · Feb 28, 2007, 07:38 PM

Interesting however, it appears that SSD are not practical until they are priced competitively.

Alec§taar · Feb 28, 2007, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EastCoasthandle

Interesting however, it appears that SSD are not practical until they are priced competitively.

Well, generally speaking? You're correct... I got a LOT off of mine, after I did my review (many positive points if applied certain ways, & for many apps, & ONLY LOW POINT I noted iirc, was price).

However, IF you look? They're out there, "on-the-cheap", albeit possibly used OR older models!

(Still, older or used (or not)? They will do the job, & if used, there is NO moving parts on them so they should be in good condition I'd imagine, as consumer grade models of these things are only what?? 2-4 yrs. old @ most???)

Just as ktr did, see the URL where he found that out!

I.E.-> KTR found a decent one (about the same as mine) for ONLY $120...

(& I noted this above to help "overcome any objections" of course, & to 'turn you onto this' from an economics/financial standpoint, & trust me, I feel you there: BECAUSE MOST OF US ALL ANSWER TO THAT as well!)

* Something to think about, in terms of economics/personal finance vs. performance yield ('bang-for-the-buck') viewpoints...

APK

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Feb 27, 2007, 09:11 AM	#16
Ketxxx Eligible for custom title Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kingdom of gods Posts: 6,380 (2.42/day) Thanks: 35 Thanked 580 Times in 412 Posts System Specs	There isnt a huge difference there, watch how long it takes the SDD to go from the welcome screen to the desktop, then look at how long it takes your standard HDD, at best theres a difference of 2-3 secs. Overall a well maintained decent HDD will always be snapping at an SSD' heels. The real question is how to use physical RAM efficiently to permanently store data, as some may be aware, RAM is highly volatile and for that purpose is why a HDD is needed. I done a theory and some working practice on how RAM could be used to permanently store data some 7+ years back, while it deffinately has the capability constant usage of the RAM for applications makes it very difficult to also store all data in RAM, on top of that you have the compounding issue of every time a system is restarted \ turned off any data stored in RAM is emptied. Obviously there are solutions to this problem, but none are what can be considered ideal. __________________ WARNING: I am cracking down on stupidity in the forums. Anyone caught making a dumb statement clearly not knowing many, if any of the facts, will promptly be directed to xtremesystems. Sig edited. If anyone wants to know about the E4400 (E7200 sold) drop me a PM Last edited by Ketxxx; Feb 27, 2007 at 09:22 AM.

System Name:	Prowler. V5.
Processor:	Q8400 @ 3.6GHz 450FSB (testing)
Motherboard:	P5Q Pro w\ my custom BIOS
Cooling:	CPU: CNPS 9500, VGA: VF900, RAM: XTC Cooler, Rest: 1x80mm LED, 2x 120mm LED, 1x 40mm LED, 1x 135mm
Memory:	2x2GB Transcend aXeRam PC2-8500
Video Card:	2x XFX HD4830 512MB
Hard Disk:	Maxtor DM10 NCQ, 16MB cache, SATA 250GB (WD Black 640GB ordered)
Optical Drive:	Pioneer 112DSV 18x dual DVD-RW, Lite-On 16x DVD combo
CRT/LCD Model:	22" LG Flatron W2242S
Case:	Unique
Sound Card:	Asus Xonar DX 7.1 PCI-E
PSU:	Hi-Power 800W Modular. 3.3 & 5v rails 30A, 4x 12v rails @ 20A each.
Software:	Windows 7 x64

Feb 27, 2007, 09:23 AM	#17
Ketxxx Eligible for custom title Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kingdom of gods Posts: 6,380 (2.42/day) Thanks: 35 Thanked 580 Times in 412 Posts System Specs	Alec stop hiding by appearing offline, wuss __________________ WARNING: I am cracking down on stupidity in the forums. Anyone caught making a dumb statement clearly not knowing many, if any of the facts, will promptly be directed to xtremesystems. Sig edited. If anyone wants to know about the E4400 (E7200 sold) drop me a PM

Feb 27, 2007, 09:30 AM	#19
Ketxxx Eligible for custom title Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kingdom of gods Posts: 6,380 (2.42/day) Thanks: 35 Thanked 580 Times in 412 Posts System Specs	lol security, maybe. Paranoia? Deffinately __________________ WARNING: I am cracking down on stupidity in the forums. Anyone caught making a dumb statement clearly not knowing many, if any of the facts, will promptly be directed to xtremesystems. Sig edited. If anyone wants to know about the E4400 (E7200 sold) drop me a PM

Feb 27, 2007, 09:40 AM	#21
Ketxxx Eligible for custom title Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kingdom of gods Posts: 6,380 (2.42/day) Thanks: 35 Thanked 580 Times in 412 Posts System Specs	lol. Paranoia is all well and good, but there is such a thing as too much paranoia. Havent you ever watched that episode of the simpsons where bart turns into a geek an is convinced everybody is being watched? __________________ WARNING: I am cracking down on stupidity in the forums. Anyone caught making a dumb statement clearly not knowing many, if any of the facts, will promptly be directed to xtremesystems. Sig edited. If anyone wants to know about the E4400 (E7200 sold) drop me a PM

Feb 28, 2007, 07:38 PM	#24
EastCoasthandle Eligible for custom title Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 6,244 (2.12/day) Thanks: 382 Thanked 1,526 Times in 865 Posts System Specs	Interesting however, it appears that SSD are not practical until they are priced competitively.

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