AMD Recognized for Exemplary Corporate Responsibility with Listings on the Dow Jones

[theoneandonlymrk]

Originally Posted by RejZoR

Weird. In other thread i was reading that AMD is going bust and here i'm reading it's teh most sustainable company... make up your mind will ya?

Its called BS mate as AMD isnt going under, as i read the news story i thought oh no here come the trolls

after skim no 2 i was bang on, hello trickson,,,, again

and as for the specs thing ,if its not listed it should have a withheld notification at least saying poster withheld instead of just nothing imho

anyone without sys listing ends up trollin before long ,just an observation.

[3870x2]

Originally Posted by theoneandonlymrk

Its called BS mate as AMD isnt going under, as i read the news story i thought oh no here come the trolls

Instead of the CEO and other execs dropping the number of millions they make from 40 to 38, they thought it is a better idea to get rid of some engineers.

[trickson]

Originally Posted by theoneandonlymrk

Its called BS mate as AMD isnt going under, as i read the news story i thought oh no here come the trolls

Okay I am not so sure the word going under was right or even accurate, Now with all the other news from AMD laying off thousands and cutting there video card department and the 3Q report, One would think that things are not as great as the DOW would see. But hey whatever. The confusion is out there and the flip flopping is on.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by trickson

Okay I am not so sure the word going under was right or even accurate, Now with all the other news from AMD laying off thousands and cutting there video card department and the 3Q report, One would think that things are not as great as the DOW would see. But hey whatever. The confusion is out there and the flip flopping is on.

There is no flip flopping.

1. AMD cut some fat to survive a recession.
2. Dow Jones said, AMD cutting the fat will make it sustainable in the long run.

/Thread.

[theoneandonlymrk]

Originally Posted by trickson

Okay I am not so sure the word going under was right or even accurate, Now with all the other news from AMD laying off thousands and cutting there video card department and the 3Q report, One would think that things are not as great as the DOW would see. But hey whatever. The confusion is out there and the flip flopping is on.

there is no flip flopping mate , Amd have stood by there plan , trolls have wrung the doom bell in threads like this and others with Amd in the title , Amd have now spoken to dismiss said trolls ,job done or you could troll on if you like

and as for the layoffs, ive not spouted an opinion so here goes, Bang on Amd

you have division A, makeing cpu designs and devision B, doing Gfx designs but you need an amalgamation of these for Apu work,,,,, they get better at this then due to modular designs with pop in Ip and better tools,ie automated placement softwares and now a need for less hands on design doing in either cpu or gfx dept, and knowledge of cpus and gfx is better spread between divisions now compared to 2 years ago hey presto some guys arent needed so much anymore .

its exactly what would have been planned to occour regardless of market conditions imho and is exactly what any company does when it takes over and merges with another smaller company(Amd-Ati)

beatin me to it again MM

Originally Posted by 3870x2

Instead of the CEO and other execs dropping the number of millions they make from 40 to 38, they thought it is a better idea to get rid of some engineers.

I am an engineer mate and due to the above std company practice ive so far been made redundant twice, bonus money to me and all that ,,Its bad for the guys looseing work and i do feel for them dont get me wrong, and i agree with your sentiment but this sh#t happens, to any of them id say chinup ive allways ended up better off in the end as more experience helps your cv next job.

[HumanSmoke]

More PR bullshit.

Hands up all those who don't realize that Dow Jones largely rely on the company for providing data for their sustainability index?

Much ass-covering when things go pear shaped

According to the Journal of Enviromental Sustainability, only 48% of experts in the field actually trusted the DJSI ( PDF).
Can't help but wonder how desperate AMD are for positive spin right now. I wonder if they'd trade the award for a few dozen tablet design wins for Win 8RT?

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by HumanSmoke

More PR bullshit.

Hands up all those who don't realize that Dow Jones largely rely on the company for providing data for their sustainability index?

Much ass-covering when things go pear shaped

According to the Journal of Enviromental Sustainability, only 48% of experts in the field actually trusted the DJSI ( PDF).
Can't help but wonder how desperate AMD are for positive spin right now. I wonder if they'd trade the award for a few dozen tablet design wins for Win 8RT?

Yeah and? If they lie about their assets people go to jail. Nice try however.

[Xzibit]

Originally Posted by HumanSmoke

More PR bullshit.

Hands up all those who don't realize that Dow Jones largely rely on the company for providing data for their sustainability index?

Much ass-covering when things go pear shaped

According to the Journal of Enviromental Sustainability, only 48% of experts in the field actually trusted the DJSI ( PDF).
Can't help but wonder how desperate AMD are for positive spin right now. I wonder if they'd trade the award for a few dozen tablet design wins for Win 8RT?

Didnt seam desing wins can stop this

FBR Capital downgrade Nvidia

Time to take that Green Team tin-foil hat off and look at reality.

[HumanSmoke]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Yeah and? If they lie about their assets people go to jail. Nice try however.

Tell that to AMD stockholders...

...maybe more than once..

...maybe more than twice.

Old news? Six of the eight board members that signed off on that clusterfuck still draw a paycheck at AMD.
Instead of a PR release selling a physical product ( no problem there), AMD are using meaningless self-sponsored accolades to sell their management. Doesn't seem as though the financial sector are buying it, doesn't seem that AMD employees buy it, and it doesn't seem that hardware shoppers buy it...that leaves AMD cheerleaders and people waiting for the stock to bottom out...doesn't it?

Icing on the cake? The company that AMD have engaged to oversee the employee "restructuring"- McKinsey and Company. Couldn't be better.

Originally Posted by Xzibit

Didnt seam desing wins can stop this.Time to take that Green Team tin-foil hat off and look at reality.

Stop trolling moron.
Anti-AMD's BoD =/= Nvidia
You want to start bashing- go start a thread.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by HumanSmoke

Tell that to AMD stockholders...

...maybe more than once..

...maybe more than twice.

Old news? Six of the eight board members that signed off on that clusterfuck still draw a paycheck at AMD.
Instead of a PR release selling a physical product ( no problem there), AMD are using meaningless self-sponsored accolades to sell their management. Doesn't seem as though the financial sector are buying it, doesn't seem that AMD employees buy it, and it doesn't seem that hardware shoppers buy it...that leaves AMD cheerleaders and people waiting for the stock to bottom out...doesn't it?

Icing on the cake? The company that AMD have engaged to oversee the employee "restructuring"- McKinsey and Company. Couldn't be better.

So the ATI buyout was a cluster-F#$k? lol man you MUST work for NVIDIA or a vendor. FYI this isn't AMD saying they are sustainable. This is the Dow. Deal with it.

[HumanSmoke]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

So the ATI buyout was a cluster-F#$k? lol man you MUST work for NVIDIA or a vendor

Overpaying by 100% for the worth of the company sound like good business sense to you? You MUST work for Rory or a vendor, because even AMD say AMD overpaid for ATI. And the debt they incurred...well, they're still paying it off. Of course what the f**k would they have done with all that interest repayment otherwise- spend it on some bullshit like R&D, or keep their fabs, or not have to sell their handheld graphics IP to Qualcomm ? Nah, you're right- better to pour money into debt servicing.

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

FYI this isn't AMD saying they are sustainable. This is the Dow. Deal with it.

Since you're either too lazy to follow the link, or can't work out how to open a pdf, here's Wikipedia's entry level take:

Using self-reported data as proxies for the social or environmental effects DJSI intends to reflect leaves the index exposed to corporate biases and additional credibility risks. it rewards companies with greatest capacity to respond to SAM's questionnaires and information requests rather than those with the best socially responsible practices. Secondly, relying on self-reported data carries substantial risks since information from companies may not be completely credible.An index based on biased information often underestimates real risk factors in the listed companies' operation, even in those instances when submitted information if verified by an auditing firm such as Pricewaterhouse Coopers . Ultimately, companies with challenging corporate environmental and social issues are more likely to devote public relations resources to minimize the perception of risk within their operations.

Of course, I'm only supplying factual analysis with accompanying documentation, whereas your all encompassing view comes from.....you

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by HumanSmoke

Overpaying by 100% for the worth of the company sound like good business sense to you? You must work for Rory or a vendor, because even AMD day AMD overpaid for ATI.


Since you're either too lazy to follow the link, or can't work out how to open a pdf, here's Wikipedia's entry level take:


Of course, I'm only supplying factual analysis with accompanying documentation, whereas your all encompassing view comes from.....you

And again you miss the most basic point. If they lie on those questionnaires or purposely mislead investors someone will go to jail. That's the law and thats what the Dow is looking at. If in a year or so AMD gets investigated by the justice department you might have an argument. Until then...deal with it.

Also they didn't over pay 100% of what ATI was worth. Nevermind the GPU division posts profits quarter after quarter.

[drdeathx]

It is the right time to buy AMD. mark this thread and my reply.

[trickson]

Originally Posted by drdeathx

It is the right time to buy AMD. mark this thread and my reply.

You know it! The big take over is coming soon. Buy NOW!

[erocker]

Originally Posted by drdeathx

It is the right time to buy AMD. mark this thread and my reply.

I agree. Super cheap right now. Minimal investment means minimal loss if things truly go bad. I bought stock in AMD at 11 bucks a share a few years ago. Lost half my money.

[trickson]

Buy low sell high.

[HumanSmoke]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

And again you miss the most basic point. If they lie on those questionnaires or purposely mislead investors someone will go to jail

It's not a 10-K filing. Financially all thats required is that AMD meets sound financial practice- and that is only one of the criteria used.
Sorry to intrude on your private reality.

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Also they didn't over pay 100% of what ATI was worth.

"Although goodwill and intangibles are just accounting plugs, with another $880.0 million of ATI-related write-downs, we believe AMD has effectively written off $3.0 billion (over 50.0%) of the $5.6 billion ATI purchase price in about 18 months," Piccioni said."

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Nevermind the GPU division posts profits quarter after quarter

How many years did it take for the GPU division to make back the $3bn in profit ?

:willywonkalistens:

[exodusprime1337]

Originally Posted by trickson

Good god AMD is as bad as the American presidential race! First they say they are going under now they are saying they are the most sustainable company ???!!! Is Obama running AMD now?

They aren't saying they are. Dow Jones is.

[W1zzard]

Originally Posted by erocker

I bought stock in AMD at 11 bucks a share a few years ago. Lost half my money.

i bought nvidia at 34 .. cured from stock market since then :P

[trickson]

Originally Posted by exodusprime1337

They aren't saying they are. Dow Jones is.

Yes I know but wait for it and it will come from them in time. That is all I am saying.

[exodusprime1337]

Originally Posted by trickson

Yes I know but wait for it and it will come from them in time. That is all I am saying.

I just don't get all the hype people raise over AMD's choices. Bank of america has laid off thousands more that AMD will. Many other companies in different and similar business markets have done the same thing over the last few years. It's a tough time for a lot of companies, albeit that some fare better than others.

I think this speculation that AMD is on it's way out is completely false. Despite the poor earnings and the stock drops, AMD is still a performing company. They most certainly need some upper management changes, but like all companies feeling financial woes, they adjust and try different things.

I also disagree with people segregating AMD's chip and gpu chip departments. It's all AMD now. Has been since 2006 whether the ATI name was there or not. AMD makes decent and powerful top end graphics cards. Personally i switched from Nvidia because the cards i got either died or just seemed sub par. I own 7970's now, and love them, and i've gone toe to toe with many a friends 680 and 680 sli setups, and still haven't seen a competitor come out on top. AMD makes decent mid to low end cpu's, decent APU's and stellar graphics. That's AMD in a nutshell.

Why don't we as techies, nerds, geeks, celler dwellers, sys admins, programers, graphic artists, and all the other various genre's stand behind these companies and hope for the best, because you all know that no competition is never good for business and if AMD goes by the wayside.. We'll all be paying more, intel, amd, nvdia, alike

[trickson]

Originally Posted by exodusprime1337

I just don't get all the hype people raise over AMD's choices. Bank of america has laid off thousands more that AMD will. Many other companies in different and similar business markets have done the same thing over the last few years. It's a tough time for a lot of companies, albeit that some fare better than others.

I think this speculation that AMD is on it's way out is completely false. Despite the poor earnings and the stock drops, AMD is still a performing company. They most certainly need some upper management changes, but like all companies feeling financial woes, they adjust and try different things.

I also disagree with people segregating AMD's chip and gpu chip departments. It's all AMD now. Has been since 2006 whether the ATI name was there or not. AMD makes decent and powerful top end graphics cards. Personally i switched from Nvidia because the cards i got either died or just seemed sub par. I own 7970's now, and love them, and i've gone toe to toe with many a friends 680 and 680 sli setups, and still haven't seen a competitor come out on top. AMD makes decent mid to low end cpu's, decent APU's and stellar graphics. That's AMD in a nutshell.

Why don't we as techies, nerds, geeks, celler dwellers, sys admins, programers, graphic artists, and all the other various genre's stand behind these companies and hope for the best, because you all know that no competition is never good for business and if AMD goes by the wayside.. We'll all be paying more, intel, amd, nvdia, alike

None of this means AMD is safe. AMD can be bought out just like ATI was. It is nothing more than a money game and seeing that stock that low is very troubling to me! I see a forced take over soon. Unless they can get that stock back up that is. All the restructuring in the world won't stop it. Some Shark will come out of the tank and buy it all up!

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by HumanSmoke

It's not a 10-K filing. Financially all thats required is that AMD meets sound financial practice- and that is only one of the criteria used.
Sorry to intrude on your private reality.



How many years did it take for the GPU division to make back the $3bn in profit ?

:willywonkalistens:

My privet reality? You just cannot stand the fact AMD has been recognized by the Dow for making the right choices AND if you wanna mislead the dow jones for good PR good luck keeping investors confidence and avoiding a epic lawsuit. Because remember this isn't the first year they have won this award. Lying to the public about theoretical projections has never backfired. Just ask Barney Frank.

Originally Posted by W1zzard

i bought nvidia at 34 .. cured from stock market since then :P

I bought AMD at 14 lol.

[exodusprime1337]

Originally Posted by trickson

None of this means AMD is safe. AMD can be bought out just like ATI was. It is nothing more than a money game and seeing that stock that low is very troubling to me! I see a forced take over soon. Unless they can get that stock back up that is. All the restructuring in the world won't stop it. Some Shark will come out of the tank and buy it all up!

I know they aren't safe, but then again, they can almost benefit by the horrible management. Some companies don't want to risk taking over such a poor performing company cause they don't want to have to write down all it's assets when they find out that it can't perform. Really we can only hope that they pull their head out of their ass and get the ball moving. They can perform, they just need to fix it and move on. Their graphics industry is testament to this. AMD graphics cards, have come a long way and there is a lot to be said about the changes they made and the performance they provide in today's computing world.

[ensabrenoir]

all this means nothing.... check TPU home page IBM, Intel... next expect to see a toxic waste disposal company and the adult film industry ......