Windows 8 Gets "Overwhelmingly Negative" Response from Vendors, Expectations Plummet

[v12dock]

Windows 8 is great... With start8

[Depth]

Originally Posted by v12dock

Windows 8 is great... With start8

I think you mean gr8.

[Frick]

Originally Posted by Wile E

I thought of another way I would use Windows 8 with the start screen. Allow me to get rid of the tiles, and use tiny icons and a list or details view like explorer, but with folder nesting like in the left hand pane of explorer.

Essentially, a full screen classic Start Menu. That sounds like a decent compromise.

That was what I was hoping the start screen would be. Or be able to fully customize the tiles re size and placement. That would be pretty nice imo.

[cdawall]

Silly question Windows 7 ultimate allows for dual CPU's I plan on going to dual CPU's in the next build is Windows 8 PRO going to allow this since it is replacing 7 ultimate or is Microsoft saying to hell with multi-CPU owners with standard desktops?

[Am*]

While Windows 8's Metro UI is still a giant turd IMHO, I'm going to be buying Windows 8 for the unified printer drivers and the return of audio hardware acceleration, if nothing else.

Going to be a major pain in the ass to re-learn the ins and outs and having to disable all the bloatware crap that it will come with (which is what I did the first few weeks after I got Windows 7, Vista and XP)...and fixing the UI of course, without reverting to third party registry-probing malware.

[Lazzer408]

Originally Posted by Am*

I'm going to be buying Windows 8 for the unified printer drivers and the return of audio hardware acceleration

Audio hardware acceleration

[eidairaman1]

Originally Posted by Lazzer408

Audio hardware acceleration

http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/wp-c...need-input.png

they probably put Direct Sound back in after being bitched at, less its EAX capabilities, a Simple patch for Windows 7 would make it just as easy to bring back.

If MS puts Aero back in for 8 Ill upgrade the machines here

[Ravenas]

Windows 8 is Microsoft's 3rd attempt to reincarnate the Zune interface...

1st was Zune... Failed.
2nd was Windows Phone... Failed.
3rd is Windows 8... Expected to fail.

[Dos101]

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

If MS puts Aero back in for 8 Ill upgrade the machines here

Aero means that much to you? It tended to slow down systems at the expense of eye candy so that's why they removed it. Taskbar is still transparent though.

Originally Posted by Ravenas

Windows 8 is Microsoft's 3rd attempt to reincarnate the Zune interface...

1st was Zune... Failed.
2nd was Windows Phone... Failed.
3rd is Windows 8... Expected to fail.

Man I loved my Zune, Microsoft's downfall was the lack of apps for the Zune HD. If it had that, I would have a Zune a opposed to an ipod right now. Zune software is also way better than iTunes.

Windows Phone is picking up steam now, people who are bored of IOS or sick of Android are looking at Windows Phone, so I see a bright future for it.

For every analyst/vendor/tech writer who says it will fail there is one that says it will do great, so you're basically just generalizing.

[Prima.Vera]

Originally Posted by Am*

... I'm going to be buying Windows 8 for the unified printer drivers and the return of audio hardware acceleration, if nothing else.

Quick, post a link or two before I call you a BULLSHITTER!!!

[Am*]

Originally Posted by Prima.Vera

Quick, post a link or two before I call you a BULLSHITTER!!!

Luckily for you, I bookmarked both articles. I'm not going to post links to every article I comment in, next time Google it yourself, yer' lazy bugger...

Here's the lengthy post from Microsoft about their printer drivers' overhaul.

And here's the one I read regarding audio improvements. Since almost nobody has givan a single shit about audio latency and hardware acceleration improvements (since the days of ye' good olde XP), don't expect Microsoft to brag about any of it in their blogs until the release of the final OS, where they will put those improvements in the bottom of some 100,000 page manual.

[Frick]

Originally Posted by Am*

Luckily for you, I bookmarked both articles. I'm not going to post links to every article I comment in, next time Google it yourself, yer' lazy bugger...

Here's the lengthy post from Microsoft about their printer drivers' overhaul.

And here's the one I read regarding audio improvements. Since almost nobody has givan a single shit about audio latency and hardware acceleration improvements (since the days of ye' good olde XP), don't expect Microsoft to brag about any of it in their blogs until the release of the final OS, where they will put those improvements in the bottom of some 100,000 page manual.

It's your job to back up your statements.

[Prima.Vera]

Originally Posted by Am*

Luckily for you, I bookmarked both articles. I'm not going to post links to every article I comment in, next time Google it yourself, yer' lazy bugger...

Here's the lengthy post from Microsoft about their printer drivers' overhaul.

And here's the one I read regarding audio improvements. Since almost nobody has givan a single shit about audio latency and hardware acceleration improvements (since the days of ye' good olde XP), don't expect Microsoft to brag about any of it in their blogs until the release of the final OS, where they will put those improvements in the bottom of some 100,000 page manual.

I see some improvements on the audio part, but still no 3D Hardware sound support or 3D spatial sound reference...

[Lazzer408]

If it's ASIO I'm in.

[Prima.Vera]

ASIO driver are for Win 7 as well?

[saknid]

Originally Posted by Prima.Vera

ASIO driver are for Win 7 as well?

@Prima.Vera

Do take a look on the following links and see the wiki's "operating system" u will get the ans...

http://download.esi-audio.com/?w=esi&p=40&g=2&l=en

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Stream_Input/Output

[ShiBDiB]

Originally Posted by Dos101

Zune software is also way better than iTunes.

WOAH WOAH WOAH

No.. just no.. the zune software was one of the worst software experiences ive ever had to endure.

[eidairaman1]

Aero never slowed down even a maching using 2 GB of ram and a P4 or even the Athlon XP machine. (It might of during vista)

Originally Posted by Dos101

Aero means that much to you? It tended to slow down systems at the expense of eye candy so that's why they removed it. Taskbar is still transparent though.



Man I loved my Zune, Microsoft's downfall was the lack of apps for the Zune HD. If it had that, I would have a Zune a opposed to an ipod right now. Zune software is also way better than iTunes.

Windows Phone is picking up steam now, people who are bored of IOS or sick of Android are looking at Windows Phone, so I see a bright future for it.

For every analyst/vendor/tech writer who says it will fail there is one that says it will do great, so you're basically just generalizing.

[Derek12]

Originally Posted by Dos101

Aero means that much to you? It tended to slow down systems at the expense of eye candy so that's why they removed it. Taskbar is still transparent though.

Aero is still on Windows 8 but without glass and transparency besides taskbar. You can't disable it IIRC.

Aero shouldn't slow anything, it even plays nice in my Netbook w/Atom n455 and GMA 3150 graphics without any noticeable performance drawbacks. The only issue there is the battery duration.

Originally Posted by Dos101

Windows Phone is picking up steam now, people who are bored of IOS or sick of Android are looking at Windows Phone, so I see a bright future for it.

In my case I wouldn't consider a Windows Phone now as it still lacks a good app ecosystem, besides I used Windows Phone 7.5 on a Nokia Lumia 610 and it's too cumbersome for me. I would choose either iOS or Android (doubt I would be sick of both), being the latter my current one and won't plan to switch over.

[Dos101]

Originally Posted by ShiBDiB

WOAH WOAH WOAH

No.. just no.. the zune software was one of the worst software experiences ive ever had to endure.

Haha sorry man, Zune software is actually great, try using it lately?

Originally Posted by Derek12

Aero is still on Windows 8 but without glass and transparency besides taskbar. You can't disable it IIRC.

Aero shouldn't slow anything, it even plays nice in my Netbook w/Atom n455 and GMA 3150 graphics without any noticeable performance drawbacks. The only issue there is the battery duration.


In my case I wouldn't consider a Windows Phone now as it still lacks a good app ecosystem, besides I used Windows Phone 7.5 on a Nokia Lumia 610 and it's too cumbersome for me. I would choose either iOS or Android (doubt I would be sick of both), being the latter my current one and won't plan to switch over.

Ya battery drain is probably the biggest thing, though I do remember reading somewhere that performance was one of the reasons they removed transparency (hell if I can find the link though).

The app ecosystem is getting there, and to be honest it all depends on what you use. I've had iPhones and I've had Android phones, and the apps that I used that aren't on Windows Phone I don't miss all that much. Things should change though since Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 share the same kernel, so we'll so lots of shared apps coming soon.

[Wrigleyvillain]

Originally Posted by ShiBDiB

WOAH WOAH WOAH

No.. just no.. the zune software was one of the worst software experiences ive ever had to endure.

Yeah...I'm no digital audio expert and know as well as anyone that iTunes kinda sucks (and furthermore never used Zune myself) but can still say Shib is definitely right.

I will be getting Windows 8...mainly for testing in a VM, at least at first. Was gonna buy promo for $69 but think will just put that cash towards a year of TechNet which I could use now anyway.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by Dos101

Haha sorry man, Zune software is actually great, try using it lately?

I have extensively for my daughter's Zune. I agree with Shib. iTunes is crap, but Zune is an embarrassment.

[hellrazor]

Microsoft confident all future technology to involve waving your arms around like a fucking crazy person

[xenocide]

Originally Posted by Wile E

I have extensively for my daughter's Zune. I agree with Shib. iTunes is crap, but Zune is an embarrassment.

I think it boils down to a matter of preference above all else. In my experiences iTunes is just too bloated these days because it's an all-in-one style program now. The only thing that annoys me about the Zune software is that it will not let you remove the delay from burnt CD's. Every CD adds a 3 second pause between the end of one song and the beginning of the next--I listen to a lot of Progressive music so this is a huge headache.

As for the functionality of the program, I love the way the Zune software organizes (or allows you to organize) songs and albums. It's no longer a library that looks like Microsoft Excel, but instead breaks it down nicely by artist>album by art>list of songs. I'm sure iTunes allows you to mimic the setup, but in my experience iTunes just runs like crap on Windows and changing anything about it exacerbates that feeling.

I will argue to the death that the Zune HD was an amazing MP3 player, as a handheld entertainment device it kind of failed with bad app support, but as an MP3 player it was hands down the best I've ever used.

[Lazzer408]

I hated (hate) Zune and iPods. I like my good old drag-drop-play generic MP3 player. Samsung I think? I forget. I haven't used it in 5 years.