AMD FX-8350 4.0 GHz - "Piledriver" for AMD Socket AM3+

[EarthDog]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Nah, local at time of writing 3770k was 379, which is $10 short of double. OF course, I had no idea of actual retail pricing for the AMD chips when I wrote the review.

Like I said in PM, you cant compare retail of your local yocal store vs MSRP...

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by EarthDog

Like I said in PM, you cant compare retail of your local yocal store vs MSRP...

I can compare whatever I want, thanks, that's my opinion.

SInce MSRP isn't actual sale price, it's purely subjective thinking anyway. OR do you write conclusions seconds before the article goes live?


I actually wrote most of this review weeks ago. got the chip nearly 3 weeks ago to the day.


It was very interesting to see everyone guessinmg at stuff prior to hte launch, to be honest.

[Super XP]

Originally Posted by EarthDog

This guy os2wiz is batting ZERO in this thread so far... LOL!

Useless post. You already explained his error. Give him a chance to post a thank you

Bulldozer FX-8120 @ 4.40GHz w/ 8- Cores w/ 1.375v. (Beyond Stable)
Will be going up for sale soon

[EarthDog]

Originally Posted by os2wiz

118/195 = 60 % more for the I7 3770K. They are both correct, but I think my percentage is the one someone who is deciding to purchase will look at. The 3770k is 60% more money with only an average 10-15% performance improvement. So I am not dense , perhaps some self-examination is in order on your part???

Perhaps I should, my bad.. But Im still not dead wrong since I gave CORRECT values to base it off of even if my math was horrible fail!! LOL! So lets both take our feet out of our mouths.

Originally Posted by cadaveca

I can compare whatever I want, thanks, that's my opinion.

SInce MSRP isn't actual sale price, it's purely subjective thinking anyway. OR do you write conclusions seconds before the article goes live?


I actually wrote most of this review weeks ago. got the chip nearly 3 weeks ago to the day.


It was very interesting to see everyone guessinmg at stuff prior to hte launch, to be honest.

You ca do whatever the hell you want but basing it off your LOCAL canadian pricing for intel vs MSRP isnt painting a remotely accurate picture. MSRP vs MSRP or retail vs retail that isnt up in bumblefunk canada would have been better IMO.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by EarthDog

You ca do whatever the hell you want but basing it off your LOCAL canadian pricing vs MSRP isnt painting a remotely accurate picture.

Yes and no. Liek I get your point, but I actually expected retail pricing to match MSRP.

3770K list price now in the US should be $359. And since I said "about" I don't need exact math...so there!

[os2wiz]

Originally Posted by EarthDog

This guy os2wiz is batting ZERO in this thread so far... LOL!

No you are not batting at all. Why is he using the price difference over the Intel price when he should be using the price difference over the AMD chip price. As a potential buyer the 3770k is over 60% higher in price. He is trying to minimize the appearance of the difference by saying the AMD chip is 38% less than the Intel. The old saying is that figures don't lie, but liars sure can figure. I am not accusing of lying, because you didn't . But you did manipulate the data to make it appear that one would save only 38% by buying AMD when it is just as accurate and more relevant to the cash-strapped buyer to see the Intel chip 60% more than the 8350. Both are truthful, but one is deceptive.

I am not batting zero, but using my brain. More than I could say for you. Don't insult me or laugh at me again on this forum I will scientifically make you look a lot smaller in other peoples eye than you want to. Feel the pain??

[EarthDog]

Its not $359 in the USA... Not at Newegg ($330), not at tigerdirect ($320), or amazon ($330).

[os2wiz]

Originally Posted by Super XP

Useless post. You already explained his error. Give him a chance to post a thank you

Bulldozer FX-8120 @ 4.40GHz w/ 8- Cores w/ 1.375v. (Beyond Stable)
Will be going up for sale soon

But it was not an error. And his post was not only useless but INSULTING. I will NOT tolerate that kind of abuse. No one should.

[EarthDog]

You are right... that 2nd post was not needed... and I do apologize. I was put on the defensive immediately wih your incorrect "you are wrong, Dead wrong' statemet and that set the tone... lets be clear about that. you called me out first kiddo (and was wrong/didnt read my post).

/threadjack. You want to continue complaining, I have a PM box that is empty and waiting.

[os2wiz]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Yes and no. Liek I get your point, but I actually expected retail pricing to match MSRP.

3770K list price now in the US should be $359. And since I said "about" I don't need exact math...so there!

Retail pricing for the AMD chip will match MSRp in a matter of weeks. It takes time for mthe supply chain to be filled up. Once pent-up demand is met the price will drop. In any case I got it for a total of $210.90 from BLT. I refuse to be ripped off by Newegg.

[os2wiz]

Originally Posted by xenocide

If you wanted a quad-core AMD CPU a Phenom II would be better than an FX4xxx CPU in almost all situations. I'd say go for the FX8320 since it's unlocked anyway, OC it to 8350 speeds or better, and use the savings to buy a nicer cooler. Or if gaming go for an i5-3570K if you want the OCability or lower end IB-based i5's since the i5-3570 was able to go blow for blow with the 8350 in this review. If you wanted the best Price\Performance the FX-6300 seems pretty solid as well and is only $10 more than the equivalent FX43xx CPU.



Which he addressed but you chose to ignore. He said the price on Newegg for the i7 was $330 and the FX-8350 was $220. Then said the MSRP for both; $313 and $195 respectively. If you had read his whole post you would have seen he pointed out that Newegg was selling them for $25 over the MSRP--and I imagine more etailers will for the first few weeks.

Its not only the msrp vs Newegg price, that wa the side bar. The main point I mmade is he is using the price difference over the Intel price. That is deceptive. Ther price difference should be over the AMD price to show how much more % wise the Intel chip is. This is basic arithmetic where is the disconnect???

[EarthDog]

Originally Posted by os2wiz

Its not only the msrp vs Newegg price, that wa the side bar. The main point I mmade is he is using the price difference over the Intel price. That is deceptive. Ther price difference should be over the AMD price to show how much more % wise the Intel chip is. This is basic arithmetic where is the disconnect??

You are correct... perhaps read the entire thread before you reply again as I have already conceded my math was fail in that example. Can you(we) move on?

[Tatty_One]

Talk and counter talk about pricing, MSRP, e tailer prices and such are starting to get a little tiresome now and to a degree are detracting from the CPU reviewed here, whilst I appreciate pricing is important, and comparisions will always be made, this "tit4tat" approach kinda fels a bit like a broken record now, so could we please get back on track and talk about a decent review of a decent CPU? (notice even I was careful there!) ..... thank you.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by os2wiz

Its not only the msrp vs Newegg price, that wa the side bar. The main point I mmade is he is using the price difference over the Intel price. That is deceptive. Ther price difference should be over the AMD price to show how much more % wise the Intel chip is. This is basic arithmetic where is the disconnect???

hmm.

195 x2 = 390.

local IVB price = 379.


You guys are arguing about silly stuff here, next up is infractions!

I was using a "generalization", BTW.

[os2wiz]

Originally Posted by EarthDog

You are right... that 2nd post was not needed... and I do apologize. I was put on the defensive immediately wih your incorrect "you are wrong, Dead wrong' statemet and that set the tone... lets be clear about that. you called me out first kiddo (and was wrong/didnt read my post).

/threadjack. You want to continue complaining, I have a PM box that is empty and waiting.

And also apologize for stating my analysis of pricing was wrong. My math was 100% on the money. My point was focused on your percentage of price difference cliaim. Don't try to shift it to a secondary issue. Admit my logic is correct and yours was deceptive, understating the price difference. Then apologize again for being insulting . Then I'll bury this issue and we can move on.

[Norton]

On topic- Thanks for a great review Dave and I will be buying an 8350 to update the 8120 in one of my WCG crunchers

[EarthDog]

It just makes no sense to me to base that comparison off your inflated LOCAL Canadian prices. Both NCIX and newegg.ca have it for $320/$330 respectively. I mean as you mentioned its up to you of course, but... that makes no sense at all to compare such a ripoff for a 3700k compared with MSRP.

Oh well.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by EarthDog

It just makes no sense to me to base that comparison off your inflated LOCAL Canadian prices. Both NCIX and newegg.ca have it for $320/$330 respectively. I mean as you mentioned its up to you of course, but... that makes no sense at all to compare such a ripoff for a 3700k compared with MSRP.

Oh well.

It makes even less sense to dwell on it when the FX-8350 is meant to be compared with i5-3570k. It was never meant to be an exact number, or I would have said 200% more instead of "nearly twice". In fact, that's about the only time I refer to the 3770K, even, and was thinking about what the best you could buy from either company was.

Anyway, you've stated your opinion here now a couple times now, so...

[Jizzler]

Nice, I may upgrade to an FX-8350... when it's cheaper. With four users in the house, I want to move towards smaller and more efficient desktops and servers. No mITX boards and mATX boards only with the older chipsets means I won't be putting much money towards the AM3+ platform.

So I'm not unhappy with AMD, just that there so many board options on the Intel side.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by Jizzler

So I'm not unhappy with AMD, just that there so many board options on the Intel side.

Good point. There are not many 9-series boards available right now other than ATX ones.

Quite a few good options under $100 though.

[badtaylorx]

Originally Posted by cdawall

Which part is the garbage part? Power consumption is down, performance is up, and the CPU's clock well, not to mention they are drop in upgrades for most people with anything from a Phenom II to the "garbage" Bulldozer chips.

dude, dont feed em.....

[GC_PaNzerFIN]

Still way too slow single thread performance. And very uncertain performer in general. Sometimes very fast, sometimes very slow. Sure, it is better than old Bulldozer but I would find it hard to recommend this over 3570K for general use ie. gaming.

[MxPhenom 216]

Seems like a pretty solid chip I must say. Nice work AMD.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by GC_PaNzerFIN

Still way too slow single thread performance. And very uncertain performer in general. Sometimes very fast, sometimes very slow. Sure, it is better than old Bulldozer but I would find it hard to recommend this over 3570K for general use ie. gaming.

Having used both for several weeks as daily systems, I have no problems recommending the FX-8350. Plain and simple..it's cheaper, and when it loses in performance, that difference I nprice more than makes up for it, I think.


If you already have a SKT1155 system, no, these chips aren't for you. If you are buying a new Windows8 PC as many will be doing very soon, that difference in price can save you quite a bit overall, actually, and you'll end up with a cheaper system that is overall just as capable.

Very few things are single-threaded at this point, and even Intel is pushing multi-threading to devs.

Also notice that I listed my Intel i7-3820 out of my gaming rig for sale. Guess what will replace it?

[GC_PaNzerFIN]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Also notice that I listed my Intel i7-3820 out of my gaming rig for sale. Guess what will replace it?

3970X?