Thermal Compound Differences

jgunning · Oct 23, 2012, 10:35 PM

Hello tpu!

Can anyone please explain to me the differences (if any) of thermal compound solutions..?I have been looking at buying my next bit of thermal paste and there are so many different ones, thought I would ask the pros and see what you guys think.

Cheers

Norton · Oct 23, 2012, 10:46 PM

I've been using Arctic Silver 5 since forever and it works fine for me ... you will find that most of us have their own preferences regarding brand and how it's applied.

Great review of different TIM's here:

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/artic...ry-2012/1490/1

*Includes some strange stuff they tried too (butter, mayo, etc..

jgunning · Oct 23, 2012, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norton

I've been using Arctic Silver 5 since forever and it works fine for me ... you will find that most of us have their own preferences regarding brand and how it's applied.

Great review of different TIM's here:

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/artic...ry-2012/1490/1

*Includes some strange stuff they tried too (butter, mayo, etc..

Cheers. I do agree with you about everyone would have there own preferences, just wondered if there were any actual differences.lol.
So what is your way of applying the heatsync..?What method do you use?

Norton · Oct 23, 2012, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgunning

Cheers. I do agree with you about everyone would have there own preferences, just wondered if there were any actual differences.lol.
So what is your way of applying the heatsync..?What method do you use?

If it is a direct touch heatsink (like a CM 212 or Xigmatek Gaia) I run a narrow line of TIM on each heatpipe.

If it has a solid base I use a grain of rice sized blob right in the center.

Kreij · Oct 23, 2012, 10:56 PM

I like Ceramiquè because it's non-conductive and thicker, so it's easier to apply and doesn't run all over.
I just use the "pea size blob in the center" method. Seems to work fine.

Rei86 · Oct 23, 2012, 11:28 PM

Most thermal compounds will give you a difference of 0~5deg from all the reviews I've seen.

A lot of people stopped using Arctic Silver because its conductive. I've never shorted out my mobo or whatever part from using it but I guess some people have or others are chicken to use it.

But I have to say personally I use IC Diamond, I also have a tube of Noctua also.

Widjaja · Oct 23, 2012, 11:39 PM

I just go for the quality branded stuff.
Arctic or Shin-Etsu.

I'm currently using Arctic MX-3.

Only came across one bad TIM but fortunately it is not sold anymore.

Kreij · Oct 23, 2012, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rei86

or others are chicken to use it.

It's not that people are "chicken" to use it. Why add another potential point of failure to your build when you can achieve the same results without worrying about that risk?
I don't see the conductive TIMs being of any real advantage over the non-conductive ones.

AphexDreamer · Oct 23, 2012, 11:50 PM

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KainXS · Oct 24, 2012, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rei86

Most thermal compounds will give you a difference of 0~5deg from all the reviews I've seen.

A lot of people stopped using Arctic Silver because its conductive. I've never shorted out my mobo or whatever part from using it but I guess some people have or others are chicken to use it.

But I have to say personally I use IC Diamond, I also have a tube of Noctua also.

as5 = not conductive

its capacitive, similar but not the same as conductive.

if you use it correctly . . . . . does it matter . . . . no

I use AS5 or MX4, whichever is cheaper, and usually AS5 is cheaper and is still a decent thermal paste and I can buy it locally, but MX4 is better.

Rei86 · Oct 24, 2012, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kreij

It's not that people are "chicken" to use it. Why add another potential point of failure to your build when you can achieve the same results without worrying about that risk?
I don't see the conductive TIMs being of any real advantage over the non-conductive ones.

Point I was making was if you check out threads asking about TIMs you always have the few spouting off hysteria about conductive TIMs can short out your system

In all the years that people have been building systems and using AS, its crazy that all these systems didn't fail

mrsemi · Oct 24, 2012, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KainXS

as5 = not conductive

its capacitive, similar but not the same as conductive.

if you use it correctly . . . . . does it matter . . . . no

I use AS5 or MX4, whichever is cheaper, and usually AS5 is cheaper and is still a decent thermal paste and I can buy it locally, but MX4 is better.

I could have had the worst newbie luck ever but I had two faulty x800 video cards and at the time I blamed it on the arctic silver.

Never used it since but I do truly believe it was just bad luck. Even still, won't use it again.

Jetster · Oct 24, 2012, 08:08 AM

Well.

Metallic (silver) which works really well and co$ts. The down side is it conducts electricity and its toxic so better be careful with this stuff.

Ceramic, Tends to be cheaper, easier to apply, cleans up nicely, non conductive and non toxic I think better check the tube.

All and all most brands are close in performance. Don't over think it. Application techniques vary depending who you talk to but I recommend you follow the manufactures instructions.

Chevalr1c · Oct 24, 2012, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kreij

I like Ceramiquè because it's non-conductive and thicker, so it's easier to apply and doesn't run all over.
I just use the "pea size blob in the center" method. Seems to work fine.

Same here, although not Céramique but Chillaramic. Ten grams (instead of the usual four) of the stuff in a <=7 euro tube. Used the first time this week and see no real differences in temperature compared to the Chill Factor III I used before.

Sasqui · Oct 24, 2012, 01:57 PM

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brandonwh64 · Oct 24, 2012, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kreij

I like Ceramiquè because it's non-conductive and thicker, so it's easier to apply and doesn't run all over.
I just use the "pea size blob in the center" method. Seems to work fine.

arctic silver ceramique is my all time favorite. I have a 14G tube at home that I have used for a long time without it drying up.

Norton · Oct 24, 2012, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LDNL

Mayonnise is one of the best. Also mustard and lipstick is right up there but you can alway use tooth paste and as a last resort chololate.

iirc that Hardware Secrets testing showed that using the chocolate as TIM was worse than not using any TIM at all.

james888 · Oct 24, 2012, 02:29 PM

Artic silver is good. Tuniq tx-2 is 2c worse, practically margin of error, than as5. It is also cheaper. I have seen tests put tx-2 at the top. When I last bought TIM I could not find any tx-2 for sale so I bought some artic mx-4 which gives you a big ole tube that works well. Cheap and effective.

newconroer · Oct 24, 2012, 02:30 PM

Only thing I would add is if it's a fan cooled setup, I would use a paste (MX4, MX2 etc).

If it's a liquid cooled setup, then something like Ceramique Arctic Compound is better.

jgunning · Oct 24, 2012, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norton

iirc that Hardware Secrets testing showed that using the chocolate as TIM was worse than not using any TIM at all.

I cant believe they would even try it!! =P but i did see the chart and toothpaste worked rather well on there tests temp-wise..!?Its amazing people would try chocolate and butter and things like that! Very interesting!

Thanks to all!Valuable opinions and thoughts to consider!

Cheers

james888 · Oct 24, 2012, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgunning

I cant believe they would even try it!! =P but i did see the chart and toothpaste worked rather well on there tests temp-wise..!?Its amazing people would try chocolate and butter and things like that! Very interesting!

Thanks to all!Valuable opinions and thoughts to consider!

Cheers

Can't believe I didn't see that on there... That is so funny they tried that. Mayonaise has good temps but I doubt it has any staying power. On one of my various trips on the internet I found this thread on some forum with a guy who tried peanut butter on his xeon. No different than his stock intel. Can not find a link. It was awhile ago but sure memorable.

jgunning · Oct 24, 2012, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by james888

Can't believe I didn't see that on there... That is so funny they tried that. Mayonaise has good temps but I doubt it has any staying power. On one of my various trips on the internet I found this thread on some forum with a guy who tried peanut butter on his xeon. No different than his stock intel

Peanut butter??!

LOL! What a legend.

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