What made you go Water Cooling? - Page 5

cdawall · Oct 24, 2012, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sadasius

HAHAHA....Want loud? Click my links for my youtube videos in my sig. I actually make a rad hover to a certain point.

Those aren't even loud or 50w fans for that matter 12v*1.9A=22.8w. Get into the 67dBa 255CFM models they pull 3.9A each. You only have the weaker 180CFM models.

Sadasius · Oct 24, 2012, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cdawall

Those aren't even loud or 50w fans for that matter 12v*1.9A=22.8w. Get into the 67dBa 255CFM models they pull 3.9A each. You only have the weaker 180CFM models.

Ummm check that again. These ARE 50watts a piece and 4 amps per fan. 6000 RPM and 260 CFM. You can match the number on the fan in the first video to the product number page.

http://canada.newark.com/sanyo-denki...-4a/dp/96M1757

cdawall · Oct 24, 2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sadasius

Ummm check that again. These ARE 50watts a piece and 4 amps per fan. 6000 RPM and 260 CFM. You can match the number on the fan in the first video to the product number page.

http://canada.newark.com/sanyo-denki...-4a/dp/96M1757

My mistake I only watched the second video clicked on the link and only saw the smaller one. From the video I assumed especially since it barely gets the rad off of the ground.

I still find it to be odd that those only push 2.9 inH2O. Must be the design. Makes sense why it doesn't pick the rad all the way off the table and the 3.3A nidec's I have do with the the X-flow version of your rad. (nidec's are 3.5 inH2O static pressure, my delta's are even higher)

Spaceman Spiff · Oct 24, 2012, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sadasius

HAHAHA....Want loud? Click my links for my youtube videos in my sig. I actually make a rad hover to a certain point.

Oh my.

Yes they are loud and definitely push some air, but doesn't all that noise drive you nuts?? Even at low speeds?

cdawall · Oct 24, 2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spiff

Oh my.

Yes they are loud and definitely push some air, but doesn't all that noise drive you nuts?? Even at low speeds?

At 5v my Nidecs are silent at 7v they sound like an ultra Kaze at full, at 12v the knock stuff over and echo, at 15.5v they sound like a jet motor.

brandonwh64 · Oct 24, 2012, 07:35 PM

LOL nothing like the fan I sent to Dave

cdawall · Oct 24, 2012, 07:51 PM

I will toss my nidecs at a couple different speeds here in a second 5v, 7v, 12v, and 15.5v

Sadasius · Oct 25, 2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spiff

Oh my.

Yes they are loud and definitely push some air, but doesn't all that noise drive you nuts?? Even at low speeds?

Not really.

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Originally Posted by cdawall

At 5v my Nidecs are silent at 7v they sound like an ultra Kaze at full, at 12v the knock stuff over and echo, at 15.5v they sound like a jet motor.

Basically this!

My fans are PWN fans BUT you cannot simply plug these into your motherboard headers. You have to use the signal wire and RPM wire in the header and the power wires directly to the PSU as there is simply too much power draw and will fry your MoBo.

phanbuey · Oct 25, 2012, 12:00 PM

there is a category that is missing - I did it mostly for space - you can fit a waterblock into any build, and then move the rad somewhere else.

My itx rig would not be able to be overclocked without a watercooler.

Hood · Oct 26, 2012, 03:56 AM

Let's not forget the most prevalent reason to water cool - because you cross the invisible line from wannabe to certified 'Enthusiast', and you can go on from there to become an overclocker, a gamer, a modder, or whatever blows your dress up. But until you take that first step, and risk shorting out your whole rig by introducing liquid to sensitive electronics, you are a nobody in the artificial universe of PC hobbyists. Hey, I don't make the rules, I'm just sayin'!
(Disclaimer: this is an attempt at humor; any similarity to actual reality is purely coincidental)

Orthello77 · Nov 5, 2012, 11:20 PM

The ability to carry heat. In my case outside the house from inside.

Silence.

Better Overclocking potential.

I bought two 7970 lightnings and i had them air cooled for less than 2 hrs .. the noise and high temperatures up to 95c with moderate overclocking mean't i couldn't stand them air cooled for long. I put ek lightning waterblocks on them , then max core temp was 53c with 32c liquid - that was good to about 1250-1275mhz. Now in the chilled rig with -30c liquid and core temps won't display as they are below zero , at 1400mhz now. So yeah i love H20 - with methanol and antifreeze ;-)

MxPhenom 216 · Nov 5, 2012, 11:56 PM

Well so far im loving water cooling! After a few days, realized made a bad move on rad, buying a thicker double pass 240 in a few weeks. Most likely the Alphacool UT60 240.

cdawall · Nov 6, 2012, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

Well so far im loving water cooling! After a few days, realized made a bad move on rad, buying a thicker double pass 240 in a few weeks. Most likely the Alphacool UT60 240.

Get actual high static pressure fans and it will work great.

MxPhenom 216 · Nov 6, 2012, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cdawall

Get actual high static pressure fans and it will work great.

My Black Ice rad?

No, I already dont like it because its loud. A lot of air noise.

cdawall · Nov 6, 2012, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

My Black Ice rad?

No, I already dont like it because its loud. A lot of air noise.

Massive 3K ultra kaze fans

and heaphones. If you have some crappy fans and room look into making a shroud it will improve performance and drop the noise a little.

MxPhenom 216 · Nov 6, 2012, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cdawall

Massive 3K ultra kaze fans

and heaphones. If you have some crappy fans and room look into making a shroud it will improve performance and drop the noise a little.

I don't even have room for that. And Ultra Kaze fans suck TBH. And I have San Ace 120x38mm fans, but they won't fit, and I dont like them. Corsair SP fans are fine.

Orthello77 · Nov 6, 2012, 12:44 AM

Personally the Scyth slipstream 1900s push a lot of air for moderate / low noise. If you are after fans that can really ramp up if needed , hard to go past them.

I have used scyth ultra kazes , great pressure fans for extreme perfomance but yeah .. at 37 db .. they are not at all quiet , 130 cfm though with static pressure. The Slipstreams are rated 110 cfm at 31 db i think ...

cdawall · Nov 6, 2012, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

I don't even have room for that. And Ultra Kaze fans suck TBH. And I have San Ace 120x38mm fans, but they won't fit, and I dont like them. Corsair SP fans are fine.

Out of curiosity whats wrong with the ultra kaze fans? I have used them in a couple of builds now only issue I have had with them is they tick undervolted. Good CFM/static pressure (8.2mmH2O vs the 1.29 or 3.1mmH2O depending on the Corsair SP model)

MxPhenom 216 · Nov 6, 2012, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Orthello77

Personally the Scyth slipstream 1900s push a lot of air for moderate / low noise. If you are after fans that can really ramp up if needed , hard to go past them.

I have used scyth ultra kazes , great pressure fans for extreme perfomance but yeah .. at 37 db .. they are not at all quiet , 130 cfm though with static pressure. The Slipstreams are rated 110 cfm at 31 db i think ...

I wont buy Scythe Slipstream or Ultra Kazes. My friends have had them, and they undervolt horribly, and really aren't built well, and run Sleeve bearings. No thanks.

cdawall · Nov 6, 2012, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

I wont buy Scythe Slipstream or Ultra Kazes. My friends have had them, and they undervolt horribly, and really aren't built well, and run Sleeve bearings. No thanks.

They are nidec built fans same as the Gentle Typhoons. Not poorly built just don't like undervolting as is the normal with a lot of those fans. Heck my Nidec's barely run at 5v the Delta's wont even start until 7v.

MT Alex · Nov 6, 2012, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cdawall

Get actual high static pressure fans and it will work great.

Yup, 38mm fans are the way to go. All the hype over 25mm "specialized" fans is just that, hype. That being said, I got rid of 3 Ultra Kaze fans because they were too damn loud

High quality 38mms will beat a 25mm every time, in both noise and pressure. Perhaps a lot of that is because they were engineered for REAL industrial purposes, with enthusiast cooling just being an afterthought.

radrok · Nov 6, 2012, 01:01 AM

I honestly can't bear more noise than what a Nidec 1850 RPM produces, they are outright perfect in balance between noise/performance, I've tried lots of other fans but they are too much noisy for my taste and quieter fans don't perform as well.

I'd love to try some San Ace / Delta fans for the lulz tho, can't find em here in Europe btw

MxPhenom 216 · Nov 6, 2012, 01:04 AM

I would probably slap these San Ace fans on, but my CPU heatsink is in the way. Can only fit the Corsairs for now.

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Originally Posted by cdawall

They are nidec built fans same as the Gentle Typhoons. Not poorly built just don't like undervolting as is the normal with a lot of those fans. Heck my Nidec's barely run at 5v the Delta's wont even start until 7v.

Yeah Nidec, but sleeve bearings, and click when undervolting, and I HATE THAT SHIT. Clicking fans get thrown out the window.

cdawall · Nov 6, 2012, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MT Alex

Yup, 38mm fans are the way to go. All the hype over 25mm "specialized" fans is just that, hype. That being said, I got rid of 3 Ultra Kaze fans because they were too damn loud

High quality 38mms will beat a 25mm every time, in both noise and pressure. Perhaps a lot of that is because they were engineered for REAL industrial purposes, with enthusiast cooling just being an afterthought.

I think you sent me those Ultra Kaze's

Even at full tilt they are quieter than my Nidec's at 7v (as could be seen in the above video)

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Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

Yeah Nidec, but sleeve bearings, and click when undervolting, and I HATE THAT SHIT. Clicking fans get thrown out the window.

They don't click until you break under 7v and I can live with that. As for the sleeve bearing part MTBF is still 30K hours.

vawrvawerawe · Nov 24, 2012, 12:29 AM

Thanks for the thread. This resolves my wondering.

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Oct 24, 2012, 07:35 PM	#106
brandonwh64 Addicted to Bacon and StarCrunches!!! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Chatsworth, GA Posts: 13,564 (10.01/day) Thanks: 2,147 Thanked 5,341 Times in 3,696 Posts System Specs	LOL nothing like the fan I sent to Dave __________________ Cruncher's: All GPU's GPU's: 7970 3GB Unlocked = 8 Threads 5770 1GB OCed = 2 Threads

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Oct 24, 2012, 07:51 PM	#107
cdawall where the hell are my stars Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: some AF base Posts: 16,025 (6.42/day) Thanks: 457 Thanked 2,753 Times in 2,222 Posts System Specs	I will toss my nidecs at a couple different speeds here in a second 5v, 7v, 12v, and 15.5v __________________ Last edited by cdawall; Oct 24, 2012 at 08:01 PM.

Oct 25, 2012, 12:00 PM	#109
phanbuey Eligible for custom title Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Miami Posts: 5,010 (2.48/day) Thanks: 1,484 Thanked 959 Times in 812 Posts System Specs	there is a category that is missing - I did it mostly for space - you can fit a waterblock into any build, and then move the rad somewhere else. My itx rig would not be able to be overclocked without a watercooler.

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Oct 26, 2012, 03:56 AM	#110
Hood Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Jacksonville FL Posts: 341 (1.42/day) Thanks: 43 Thanked 82 Times in 70 Posts System Specs	Let's not forget the most prevalent reason to water cool - because you cross the invisible line from wannabe to certified 'Enthusiast', and you can go on from there to become an overclocker, a gamer, a modder, or whatever blows your dress up. But until you take that first step, and risk shorting out your whole rig by introducing liquid to sensitive electronics, you are a nobody in the artificial universe of PC hobbyists. Hey, I don't make the rules, I'm just sayin'! (Disclaimer: this is an attempt at humor; any similarity to actual reality is purely coincidental)

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Nov 5, 2012, 11:20 PM	#111
Orthello77 Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 4 (0.02/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	The ability to carry heat. In my case outside the house from inside. Silence. Better Overclocking potential. I bought two 7970 lightnings and i had them air cooled for less than 2 hrs .. the noise and high temperatures up to 95c with moderate overclocking mean't i couldn't stand them air cooled for long. I put ek lightning waterblocks on them , then max core temp was 53c with 32c liquid - that was good to about 1250-1275mhz. Now in the chilled rig with -30c liquid and core temps won't display as they are below zero , at 1400mhz now. So yeah i love H20 - with methanol and antifreeze ;-)

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Nov 5, 2012, 11:56 PM	#112
MxPhenom 216 Knowledgeable Posting Whore Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,767 (5.79/day) Thanks: 1,281 Thanked 1,080 Times in 833 Posts System Specs	Well so far im loving water cooling! After a few days, realized made a bad move on rad, buying a thicker double pass 240 in a few weeks. Most likely the Alphacool UT60 240. __________________ Motocross is not just a sport, it's a lifestyle. File Server: Intel Pentium G630, 8GB PNY 1600, AsRock H77M Micro, Corsair CX430M, Vertex 2 90GB (OS), 2x WD Red 2TB in RAID1 “We will never know our full potential, unless we push ourselves to find it. -Travis Rice”

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Nov 6, 2012, 12:44 AM	#117
Orthello77 Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 4 (0.02/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Personally the Scyth slipstream 1900s push a lot of air for moderate / low noise. If you are after fans that can really ramp up if needed , hard to go past them. I have used scyth ultra kazes , great pressure fans for extreme perfomance but yeah .. at 37 db .. they are not at all quiet , 130 cfm though with static pressure. The Slipstreams are rated 110 cfm at 31 db i think ...

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Nov 6, 2012, 01:01 AM	#122
radrok Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Italy Posts: 1,897 (3.30/day) Thanks: 141 Thanked 462 Times in 364 Posts System Specs	I honestly can't bear more noise than what a Nidec 1850 RPM produces, they are outright perfect in balance between noise/performance, I've tried lots of other fans but they are too much noisy for my taste and quieter fans don't perform as well. I'd love to try some San Ace / Delta fans for the lulz tho, can't find em here in Europe btw

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Nov 24, 2012, 12:29 AM	#125
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