Budget Gaming/Programming/Modelling build

MxPhenom 216 · Nov 5, 2012, 04:48 PM

My friend wants to build a computer thats more capable then his core i3 laptop. Its fine for programming and modelling, but gaming its week as it only has Intel HD intergrated graphics. I told him we could build him a good system for $500 or cheaper. Sounds like he plays Minecraft and Skyrim.

I was thinking

AMD Trinity 5800k (and overclock the shit out of it)
Asrock FM2 Extreme6 Motherboard
16GB DDR3 1600mhz
1TB Western Digital Cavier blue or black
Seasonic X650
Cooler Master 690 or HAF 912

brandonwh64 · Nov 5, 2012, 04:49 PM

Hmmm speaking of which, this is the same style build I am building my father in law!

Once You Know, You Newegg

Soup · Nov 5, 2012, 04:51 PM

If he's gonna go with a Trinity I'd say take the RAM down to 8GB and choose a faster set. You can get 8GB of 2400Mhz for the same price as 16GB of 1600Mhz.

Also, consider an SSD instead of the mech drive.

Otherwise looks sweet!

MxPhenom 216 · Nov 5, 2012, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soup

If he's gonna go with a Trinity I'd say take the RAM down to 8GB and choose a faster set. You can get 8GB of 2400Mhz for the same price as 16GB of 1600Mhz.

Also, consider an SSD instead of the mech drive.

Otherwise looks sweet!

Does Trinity benefit from faster memory? I was under the impression that AMDs memory controller isnt the greatest, so fast memory speeds are harder to get stable.

I wonder if the Corsair H60 cooler is enough for the 5800k to overclock it and such.

JNUKZ · Nov 5, 2012, 06:05 PM

H60 is more than enough even for overclock.
1600mhz are fine i don´t see the 5800K improving a lot just because it uses 2133mhz maybe a 1866mhz memory kit

ZakkWylde · Nov 5, 2012, 06:13 PM

You are going to use the apu for graphics? Faster ram will result in better FPS for sure. Go for the faster set of 8gb over 16gb of slower ram.

Soup · Nov 5, 2012, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ZakkWylde

You are going to use the apu for graphics? Faster ram will result in better FPS for sure. Go for the faster set of 8gb over 16gb of slower ram.

Yea, that's what I was going for. Thanks for wording it better.

Fourstaff · Nov 5, 2012, 07:35 PM

I would go for FX6300+7850 instead, I think there is budget for that.

3870x2 · Nov 5, 2012, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fourstaff

I would go for FX6300+7850 instead, I think there is budget for that.

Agreed.

The APU is a great product in its own way, but if you are really trying to get an edge on gaming, it is not for you. The APU is more for minecraft, angry birds and whatnot.

I suggest something cheap that is heavily overclockable. (both CPU and GPU)

MxPhenom 216 · Nov 5, 2012, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

I would go for FX6300+7850 instead, I think there is budget for that.

I will look at that.

cdawall · Nov 5, 2012, 10:30 PM

You should take a look at this thread. Guy wanted a build for skyrim.

Ended up looking at these two rigs I am sure they could be tweaked to fit your needs. Got a end price?

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Originally Posted by cdawall

I have one more option for you since you don't really need an APU you could go with a higher clocked better performing FX series chip along with a better motherboard.

Take another $15 off of this using promo code EMCJNGN27

AMD FX-4170 Zambezi 4.2GHz

ASRock 970 PRO3 AM3+ AMD 970

XFX Radeon HD 7950 3GB

CORSAIR Builder Series CX600

GeIL Black Dragon 8GB (2 x 4GB)

Western Digital WD Blue WD10EZEX 1TB

http://img.techpowerup.org/121104/Capture008.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdawall

Good to know. Other thing would be to look at the APU anyway they are good cheap CPU's.

AMD A10-5700 Trinity 3.4GHz (4.0GHz Turbo) Socket ...

ASRock FM2A55M-DGS FM2 AMD A55 (Hudson D2) Micro A...

That's $80's less. A 7950 is about $100 more and comes with 6 games instead of 1

XFX Double D FX-795A-TDFC Radeon HD 7950 3GB 384-b...

CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 P...

GeIL Black Dragon 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM...

http://img.techpowerup.org/121103/Capture004.jpg

$578 before $50 in rebates and lacking the HDD/case

Something like this would work well for what you want. Of course add your cooler of choice.

Western Digital WD Blue WD10EZEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB...

ASRock 970 PRO3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 AT...

XFX Double D FX-785A-CDFC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-b...

CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 P...

Wintec One 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1...

AMD FX-6300 Vishera 3.5GHz (4.1GHz Turbo) Socket A...

eidairaman1 · Nov 5, 2012, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

Does Trinity benefit from faster memory? I was under the impression that AMDs memory controller isnt the greatest, so fast memory speeds are harder to get stable.

I wonder if the Corsair H60 cooler is enough for the 5800k to overclock it and such.

Trinity uses 1866 as a base and thats how the GP portion of the APU runs better, cuz they did a comparison of 1600 MHz ram and 1866 and the GP does utilize 1866 bandwidth, so under OC situation which is what 2000, 2133, 2400, 2666 etc. The GP should benefit from it. course dual graphics solution which is a 6670 or 7670 should work for it.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/deskt...nstream.aspx#7

dude12564 · Nov 5, 2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by eidairaman1

Trinity uses 1866 as a base and thats how the GP portion of the APU runs better, cuz they did a comparison of 1600 MHz ram and 1866 and the GP does utilize 1866 bandwidth, so under OC situation which is what 2000, 2133, 2400, 2666 etc. The GP should benefit from it. course dual graphics solution which is a 6670 or 7670 should work for it.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/deskt...nstream.aspx#7

Yep, RAM speed scales with GPU performance with Llano - i'm pretty sure it'll do the same with Trinity.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...no,2975-6.html

I think TPU did a RAM scaling review, just can't find it...

MxPhenom 216 · Nov 5, 2012, 11:45 PM

Heres what I came up with.

eidairaman1 · Nov 6, 2012, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dude12564

Yep, RAM speed scales with GPU performance with Llano - i'm pretty sure it'll do the same with Trinity.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...no,2975-6.html

I think TPU did a RAM scaling review, just can't find it...

Gives a good example of ram scaling here with games

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/46...er-ram/?page=3

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/gra...raphics_8.html

http://www.inpai.com.cn/doc/hard/182755.htm

MxPhenom 216 · Nov 6, 2012, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

Gives a good example of ram scaling here with games

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/46...er-ram/?page=3

oh wow.

cdawall · Nov 6, 2012, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

Heres what I came up with.

http://img.techpowerup.org/121105/Colbyrig.png

Get the cheaper board with the better processor. Not to mention I am not in a very good place with Gigabyte they anger me

Remember the 6300 is a Piledriver chip vs the Bulldozer chip in yours.

eidairaman1 · Nov 6, 2012, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

oh wow.

theres 2 other pages, i mean the gains are minimal but hey additional frames does make a game playable. Course with right timings on the higher bandwidth memory should increase performance overall too.

MxPhenom 216 · Nov 6, 2012, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdawall

Get the cheaper board with the better processor. Not to mention I am not in a very good place with Gigabyte they anger me

http://img.techpowerup.org/121105/Capture014.jpg

Remember the 6300 is a Piledriver chip vs the Bulldozer chip in yours.

Yeah, My friend wants to do overclocking, So id like to get him a board that is much more capable of it.

And I think I may go back to the Trinity chip, as I think hes just going to be running 2 20" monitors at 1600x900 for gaming. Should be enough with the Trinity APU for now, as he does not have much room to stretch the budget over $500

eidairaman1 · Nov 6, 2012, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

Yeah, My friend wants to do overclocking, So id like to get him a board that is much more capable of it.

And I think I may go back to the Trinity chip, as I think hes just going to be running 2 20" monitors at 1600x900 for gaming. Should be enough with the Trinity APU for now, as he does not have much room to stretch the budget over $500

well if the APU cant drive the Monitor at that resolution it will run it at the next one that is the same Aspect Ration close to 1600x900

Nov 5, 2012, 04:48 PM	#1
MxPhenom 216 Knowledgeable Posting Whore Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,767 (5.79/day) Thanks: 1,281 Thanked 1,082 Times in 835 Posts System Specs	Budget Gaming/Programming/Modelling build My friend wants to build a computer thats more capable then his core i3 laptop. Its fine for programming and modelling, but gaming its week as it only has Intel HD intergrated graphics. I told him we could build him a good system for $500 or cheaper. Sounds like he plays Minecraft and Skyrim. I was thinking AMD Trinity 5800k (and overclock the shit out of it) Asrock FM2 Extreme6 Motherboard 16GB DDR3 1600mhz 1TB Western Digital Cavier blue or black Seasonic X650 Cooler Master 690 or HAF 912 __________________ Motocross is not just a sport, it's a lifestyle. File Server: Intel Pentium G630, 8GB PNY 1600, AsRock H77M Micro, Corsair CX430M, Vertex 2 90GB (OS), 2x WD Red 2TB in RAID1 “We will never know our full potential, unless we push ourselves to find it. -Travis Rice”

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Memory:	Corsair Dominator Plats 8GB 4GBx2 2133mhz 1.5v
Video Card:	Evga Geforce GTX680 Signature 2 @ 1260/6308 H2O EK Block
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Nov 5, 2012, 04:51 PM	#3
Soup Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: 'merica Posts: 147 (0.27/day) Thanks: 39 Thanked 71 Times in 30 Posts System Specs	If he's gonna go with a Trinity I'd say take the RAM down to 8GB and choose a faster set. You can get 8GB of 2400Mhz for the same price as 16GB of 1600Mhz. Also, consider an SSD instead of the mech drive. Otherwise looks sweet!

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