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Old Nov 7, 2012, 10:14 PM   #6801
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Interesting indeed, good job. I just gave it a shot too, but I don't think it did anything for me, still completing around the same time.
Give it time as i wasen't realy monitoring it after i changed the setting.

I droped the setting down to 50% after i posted and now some units have completed in 1 min 3 seconds. It might not work for everyone and it won't show up instantly after the change.

All i can say atm is give it a try and see if it works for you. If not no harm done i guess as long as it don't slow things down for anyone.


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Holy hell. 4 WUs at a time, still taking less than a minute each
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Holy hell. 4 WUs at a time, still taking less than a minute each
Its up and down but avg is around 1 min since setting cpu work time to 50%, Before i changed it, work units took 2 mins to 2 mins 30 secs.

GPU is at 1000mhz core and my core I5 2550k is at 4200MHz

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Its up and down but avg is around 1 min since setting cpu work time to 50%, (When i say the cpu time i do not mean the Multi cpu setting but the one below it.) as you can see from the pic

GPU is at 1000mhz core and my core I5 2550k is at 4200MHz
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Hmmm i just noticed something realy odd.

It's been taking between 2mins to 2min 30 seconds to do a GPU work unit since i have been running 4 on my GPU, I decided to take a look at my boinc settings and noticed the (use at most) CPU time was set to 100%.

I changed that setting to 75% and now i am completing work a lot faster.

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Just messed some more, Droped the setting to 50% and now work units are down to 1min 17 seconds roughly.
You might be on to something here. Looks like I'm shaving 1 min off of the GPU WU's on my GTX460. Gonna run thru several more to make sure it's consistent.

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Its up and down but avg is around 1 min since setting cpu work time to 50%, Before i changed it, work units took 2 mins to 2 mins 30 secs.

GPU is at 1000mhz core and my core I5 2550k is at 4200MHz
Have you checked the actual elapsed time with a stopwatch? I remember reading somewhere about this, and it may be to do with the way BOINC captures the elapsed time not being real-world accurate if the CPU use setting is below 100%.

If it is working, then that's going to be an awesome boost. But the simple stop-watch test is probably worth doing. After all, it doesn't make sense that using less CPU power makes the task faster.
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Have you checked the actual elapsed time with a stopwatch? I remember reading somewhere about this, and it may be to do with the way BOINC captures the elapsed time not being real-world accurate if the CPU use setting is below 100%.

If it is working, then that's going to be an awesome boost. But the simple stop-watch test is probably worth doing. After all, it doesn't make sense that using less CPU power makes the task faster.
i will try a test now with a stop watch but even visualy its going a lot faster.

Its hard to tell because its all going so fast, but first try i got 1min 33 secs while boinc said 1min 3 seconds but thats still faster than 2 to 2 mins 30 seconds i was getting according to boinc.

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i will try a test now with a stop watch but even visualy its going a lot faster.

Its hard to tell because its all going so fast, but first try i got 1min 33 secs while boinc said 1min 3 seconds but thats still faster than 2 to 2 mins 30 seconds i was getting according to boinc.
Cool. Keep us posted.

Just tried it on mine and doesn't seem to work for me
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I will try the same test but with the cpu setting at 100% and see what time i get with the clock.

Will update this in a few mins.

Hmmm I can't measure it because boinc is now saying work units are taking between 1min 20 and 1min 40seconds. I guess i will just leave it at 50% on the cpu thing and see what the points say.

After some more testing and looking at things it does seem to make a diffrence, My work units do about 2% everytime it goes up when the cpu is set to 100%, When i then set the cpu to 75% the work units seem to do 3%. The problem is its so random at the same time lol.

If it makes a diffrence overall or not its worth testing i supose.

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I did drop it down a little before leaving the house, and I'll check it when I get home. I'm hoping to see a lot of numbers in the 1:xx area and I'll be excited. I'll post back later
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Well done boy's! Lets see what we can do during week #2 of the competition.

I anticipate a little better, since we've all had a chance to iron out the kinks, especially for us noobs. I know for myself, I didn't get good numbers til a few days in.
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I did drop it down a little before leaving the house, and I'll check it when I get home. I'm hoping to see a lot of numbers in the 1:xx area and I'll be excited. I'll post back later
I can't believe what I did. I paused network activity before I left, and I NEVER RESUMED it, so I ran out of work. I guess I should have had a much larger buffer
Idiot, I can't believe it. I'm back to work now, but ahhhh, I'm going to increase the buffer now.
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I can't believe what I did. I paused network activity before I left, and I NEVER RESUMED it, so I ran out of work. I guess I should have had a much larger buffer
Idiot, I can't believe it. I'm back to work now, but ahhhh, I'm going to increase the buffer now.
Be careful there. Others were saying too big of a buffer can hurt you...
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Be careful there. Others were saying too big of a buffer can hurt you...
Well, the way I see and understand it, my cards (as yours do too) go through WU's pretty quickly. I had the buffer at like .5 days, and I ran out of work in less than 4 hours (I say 4 because that's how long I was out, and I'm not sure when it happened). Thus, I'd say it's fair to increase it a little. AGH, just mad that I had wasted down time.

I also see it that the work units expire after a time, but that time looks to be literally a week, 7 days. I don't think that's going to be a problem, as long as i'm putting out work. I'll keep an eye on it though, don't want to mess up again

Changed it back to .5, seems to be working alright and different numbers seemed to acting funky for me
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