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TheMailMan78 · Nov 8, 2012, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Frick

Automated phone activation does not mean it's a limit to them. To me a limit means the key would be dead after that many attempts, which it isn't. You just have to go through a different procedure, and it isn't that bad tbh. You can ever get texts nowadays with the code so it's easier than ever.

Well they said I have to use it from now on since the key is now locked. Its not THAT bad but it was a curve ball I didn't expect.

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Originally Posted by Wrigleyvillain

Interesting. I got pissed at him about it too as I knew from experience you did not need to install an earlier version first plus this was just more unnecessary writes to my SSD and takes more time. He actually ended up hanging up on me, heh.

Not as bad as me. I almost cussed the guy out. He kept wanting to connect to my rig!

Wrigleyvillain · Nov 8, 2012, 04:38 PM

Oh I am sure I dropped and F-bomb or three.

TheMailMan78 · Nov 8, 2012, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Wrigleyvillain

Oh I am sure I dropped and F-bomb or three.

I told him "So I can let some random Pilipino connect to my rig and do G-d knows what, OR I can just install Windows 7 and go to bed..........Good Day sir."

I would have never called them to begin with but that automated service number was HIDDEN! Its like they want you to buy another OS..........um yeah.

Frick · Nov 8, 2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Wrigleyvillain

Interesting. I got pissed at him about it too as I knew from experience you did not need to install an earlier version first plus this was just more unnecessary writes to my SSD and takes more time. He actually ended up hanging up on me, heh.

Aye, it seems it varies a lot from country to country how the support is, which is kinda weird to be honest.

Wrigleyvillain · Nov 8, 2012, 05:15 PM

Haha, the four-option window you get when regular "online activation" fails which includes the phone number for the automated system only came up for me after I installed Vista first. Before that w/ no prior version install it just straight up said "product key not valid" and that's it. No other info or direction for rectifying. I only knew from the past that this means I needed to install older first. It could at least inform you of that.

Oh I forgot to mention that unchecking "activate automatically" during install does generally seem to help this activation crap in our situations but it did not solve my difficulties this recent past time.

TheMailMan78 · Nov 8, 2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wrigleyvillain

Haha, the four-option window you get when regular "online activation" fails which includes the phone number for the automated system only came up for me after I installed Vista first. Before that w/ no prior version install it just straight up said "product key not valid" and that's it. No other info or direction for rectifying. I only knew from the past that this means I needed to install older first. It could at least inform you of that.

Oh I forgot to mention that unchecking "activate automatically" during install does generally seem to help this activation crap in our situations but it did not solve my difficulties this recent past time.

That option isn't there in Windows 8. That was a LIFE saver in Win7.

Wrigleyvillain · Nov 8, 2012, 05:20 PM

...yeah so I thought too until 4 days ago. It did not matter. I installed 7 on a clean drive and unchecked that and it still screwed me into having to go back and do Vista first. Like I said, not totally consistent in my experience.

Drone · Nov 8, 2012, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Wrigleyvillain

Oh I forgot to mention that unchecking "activate automatically" during install does generally seem to help this activation crap in our situations but it did not solve my difficulties this recent past time.

You can unplug your internet to avoid auto-activation. W8 has refresh and reset options which both require re-activation after completion. I don't think MS would limit keys because if they do so they're shooting themselves in the foot. A lot of people is so reluctant to upgrade anyway.

TheMailMan78 · Nov 8, 2012, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Wrigleyvillain

...yeah so I thought too until 4 days ago. It did not matter. I installed 7 on a clean drive and unchecked that and it still screwed me into having to go back and do Vista first. Like I said, not totally consistent in my experience.

I wish Windows worked like OSX in this aspect ya know?

Dos101 · Nov 8, 2012, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

I wish Windows worked like OSX in this aspect ya know?

I think that's too much to ask of Microsoft

Wrigleyvillain · Nov 8, 2012, 06:13 PM

Indeed I do. Though, yeah, Apple is different in how they view the OS licensing mainly as they make the hardware and the software that runs it (though tablets are changing that too, aren't they?).

Drone · Nov 8, 2012, 08:21 PM

Strange move by HP

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“Windows 7 will not be supported on these new platforms, and no drivers, apps, or Windows 7 content will be available through HP,” the company said. “If users choose to downgrade their HP consumer desktop or notebook system, HP will continue to support the hardware but if there is an issue where HP diagnostics are required or it is determined that the loaded software or upgrade operating system is causing the issue, HP may suggest returning the system to the original Windows 8 OS.”

TheMailMan78 · Nov 8, 2012, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Drone

Strange move by HP

That's if it will activate

Wrigleyvillain · Nov 8, 2012, 09:06 PM

Yeah, curious. Though, like most things, I'm sure there is a financial reason behind it. MS is really pushing 8 (as they have to) so they must be offering OEMs a sweet-ass deal to do the same.

erixx · Nov 9, 2012, 06:22 AM

For those that care: in some threads of these I have expressed concern about stability etc. Well this night I found that for the first time since very long I got bad RAM (bought same day as W8).
After not getting it well tuned whatever I did, I ran several long RAM tests and ... Now I got the sinner.

Dos101 · Nov 9, 2012, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by erixx

For those that care: in some threads of these I have expressed concern about stability etc. Well this night I found that for the first time since very long I got bad RAM (bought same day as W8).
After not getting it well tuned whatever I did, I ran several long RAM tests and ... Now I got the sinner.

I had the same thing since I installed Win8 on my desktop. Randomly the screen would freeze but mouse would still work. Could click icons but nothing would happen. Turns out I had a bad stick of RAM (seems to be hit or miss with Gskill). Popped in some Kingston RAM and its been stable ever since. Funny that it ONLY happened with Windows 8 as I had Windows 7 on it before with no issues.

erixx · Nov 9, 2012, 03:05 PM

True. And the word of the street is that w8 is more unstable with OCing... It is sooo optimized that it does not want any extreme fondling...

Mine, also G.Skill. For people with time to spend and burn in trial and error, I suppose; back to Kingston HyperX for peace of mind.

Drone · Nov 9, 2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dos101

Funny that it ONLY happened with Windows 8 as I had Windows 7 on it before with no issues.

That's interesting. W8 utilizes memory differently than W7 maybe that's the reason.

Dos101 · Nov 9, 2012, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by erixx

True. And the word of the street is that w8 is more unstable with OCing... It is sooo optimized that it does not want any extreme fondling...

Mine, also G.Skill. For people with time to spend and burn in trial and error, I suppose; back to Kingston HyperX for peace of mind.

Well with the Kingston RAM my system is still OC'd, so I think it was just bad RAM. Kinda funny, I went from this RAM to this RAM and so far so good.

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Originally Posted by Drone

That's interesting. W8 utilizes memory differently than W7 maybe that's the reason.

That quite possibly might be it. I wonder if anyone has done a detailed study of how it uses the RAM differently?

Wrigleyvillain · Nov 9, 2012, 05:08 PM

Info on things like this can generally be found on MS Technet and MSDN blogs and such. First I am hearing of this myself and would also like details. Will see what I can find...

Dos101 · Nov 9, 2012, 05:19 PM

Patch Tuesday next week, looks like some security updates are incoming http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8...ates-next-week

Drone · Nov 10, 2012, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dos101

That quite possibly might be it. I wonder if anyone has done a detailed study of how it uses the RAM differently?

MS said they use brand new algorithms for memory allocation in W8, however they said they don't want to get into the details much and that's understandable. In this article W8 is good for PC gaming there's a couple of words about random memory allocation in Windows 8. In a nutshell it's now more secure and with less leaks.

erixx · Nov 11, 2012, 08:59 AM

ok, here a tip for Media Center (stay on top option removed!!!! Why in hell, Seatle brainies ?)

http://www.zomers.eu/knowledge/wmc/P...-Center-8.aspx

Dos101 · Nov 12, 2012, 06:34 AM

I'm hoping sales of Surface RT are more than "modest" http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/11/b...-modest-start/

TRWOV · Nov 12, 2012, 01:19 PM

For some reason the libraries links in file explorer don't work, I have to go to the actual folder to open them. They work in open file dialog boxes though

they were working fine before and the location is set correctly.

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Nov 8, 2012, 04:38 PM	#477
Wrigleyvillain Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 4,499 (2.20/day) Thanks: 1,524 Thanked 1,574 Times in 1,117 Posts System Specs	Oh I am sure I dropped and F-bomb or three. __________________ “i dont care what consoles have they dont have mouse and keyboard” -crazyeyesreaper

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Nov 8, 2012, 05:15 PM	#480
Wrigleyvillain Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 4,499 (2.20/day) Thanks: 1,524 Thanked 1,574 Times in 1,117 Posts System Specs	Haha, the four-option window you get when regular "online activation" fails which includes the phone number for the automated system only came up for me after I installed Vista first. Before that w/ no prior version install it just straight up said "product key not valid" and that's it. No other info or direction for rectifying. I only knew from the past that this means I needed to install older first. It could at least inform you of that. Oh I forgot to mention that unchecking "activate automatically" during install does generally seem to help this activation crap in our situations but it did not solve my difficulties this recent past time. __________________ “i dont care what consoles have they dont have mouse and keyboard” -crazyeyesreaper

Nov 8, 2012, 05:20 PM	#482
Wrigleyvillain Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 4,499 (2.20/day) Thanks: 1,524 Thanked 1,574 Times in 1,117 Posts System Specs	...yeah so I thought too until 4 days ago. It did not matter. I installed 7 on a clean drive and unchecked that and it still screwed me into having to go back and do Vista first. Like I said, not totally consistent in my experience. __________________ “i dont care what consoles have they dont have mouse and keyboard” -crazyeyesreaper

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Memory:	4GB
Video Card:	NVIDIA GeForce GT 240M
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Nov 8, 2012, 06:13 PM	#486
Wrigleyvillain Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 4,499 (2.20/day) Thanks: 1,524 Thanked 1,574 Times in 1,117 Posts System Specs	Indeed I do. Though, yeah, Apple is different in how they view the OS licensing mainly as they make the hardware and the software that runs it (though tablets are changing that too, aren't they?). __________________ “i dont care what consoles have they dont have mouse and keyboard” -crazyeyesreaper

Nov 8, 2012, 09:06 PM	#489
Wrigleyvillain Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 4,499 (2.20/day) Thanks: 1,524 Thanked 1,574 Times in 1,117 Posts System Specs	Yeah, curious. Though, like most things, I'm sure there is a financial reason behind it. MS is really pushing 8 (as they have to) so they must be offering OEMs a sweet-ass deal to do the same. __________________ “i dont care what consoles have they dont have mouse and keyboard” -crazyeyesreaper

Nov 9, 2012, 06:22 AM	#490
erixx Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Moorsoldaten barracks Posts: 2,183 (1.89/day) Thanks: 709 Thanked 312 Times in 250 Posts System Specs	For those that care: in some threads of these I have expressed concern about stability etc. Well this night I found that for the first time since very long I got bad RAM (bought same day as W8). After not getting it well tuned whatever I did, I ran several long RAM tests and ... Now I got the sinner. __________________ "Where's Carmack when you need him?" by cadaveca

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Nov 9, 2012, 03:05 PM	#492
erixx Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Moorsoldaten barracks Posts: 2,183 (1.89/day) Thanks: 709 Thanked 312 Times in 250 Posts System Specs	True. And the word of the street is that w8 is more unstable with OCing... It is sooo optimized that it does not want any extreme fondling... Mine, also G.Skill. For people with time to spend and burn in trial and error, I suppose; back to Kingston HyperX for peace of mind. __________________ "Where's Carmack when you need him?" by cadaveca

Nov 9, 2012, 05:08 PM	#495
Wrigleyvillain Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 4,499 (2.20/day) Thanks: 1,524 Thanked 1,574 Times in 1,117 Posts System Specs	Info on things like this can generally be found on MS Technet and MSDN blogs and such. First I am hearing of this myself and would also like details. Will see what I can find... __________________ “i dont care what consoles have they dont have mouse and keyboard” -crazyeyesreaper

Nov 9, 2012, 05:19 PM	#496
Dos101 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 299 (0.10/day) Thanks: 84 Thanked 88 Times in 65 Posts System Specs	Patch Tuesday next week, looks like some security updates are incoming http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8...ates-next-week __________________ Windows 8 Clubhouse Windows Phone users Clubhouse

Nov 11, 2012, 08:59 AM	#498
erixx Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Moorsoldaten barracks Posts: 2,183 (1.89/day) Thanks: 709 Thanked 312 Times in 250 Posts System Specs	ok, here a tip for Media Center (stay on top option removed!!!! Why in hell, Seatle brainies ?) http://www.zomers.eu/knowledge/wmc/P...-Center-8.aspx __________________ "Where's Carmack when you need him?" by cadaveca

Nov 12, 2012, 06:34 AM	#499
Dos101 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 299 (0.10/day) Thanks: 84 Thanked 88 Times in 65 Posts System Specs	I'm hoping sales of Surface RT are more than "modest" http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/11/b...-modest-start/ __________________ Windows 8 Clubhouse Windows Phone users Clubhouse

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