Doom 3 HD pack+ RELEASED!!

[Kwod]

Originally Posted by HeXen

i didn't used to like Doom 3 when it came out. hyped too much and i had over expectations of it. but lately i've had this urge to want to replay it again, but i never found it actually scary,

I agree with you regarding vanilla, but with the better lighting and sounds, this mod scares the crap out of me.
I doubt that the quality of lighting is being properly conveyed on compressed ytube vids, but at 1920x1200 on my 26, this looks fine and gunfire and all the rest sound good.

The BFG edition sounds like a big wank without proper HD textures for D3 and RofE

[HeXen]

well which would be better decision. Original with mods or BFG?
Sounds like its down to better gameplay vs graphics.

[Ikaruga]

Originally Posted by HeXen

well which would be better decision. Original with mods or BFG?
Sounds like its down to better gameplay vs graphics.

It will be a long long time until modders will catch up on the BFG edition with all the stuff they created for the original release. The source code will be released soon, and the tools are right there in the console, (so it looks like that HD textures are possible), but gamecode changes or proper multiplayer will be harder to do.

The new version doesn't look any better, you lose coop and all the other awesome goodies what the community created in many years, but it plays a lot better. That's the thing which can't be ignored here, the idtech5-ish responsiveness of the new version. It's just amazing how good this game feels and plays now. Playing the older version (or almost any other game whatsoever) immediately after the new one feels simply awkward, and you would agree to have 2x2pixel textures just to get the right feel back again. It's almost as good as how Rage felt, and this is the responsiveness what every other game should have.

[Kwod]

Originally Posted by HeXen

well which would be better decision. Original with mods or BFG?
Sounds like its down to better gameplay vs graphics.

Not sure how BFG can have better gameplay when both sound and lighting play such a big factor in the enjoyment of this game or any game for that matter.
If BFG did have HD textures, I would've bought it on launch.

[Super XP]

Originally Posted by Kwod

Not sure how BFG can have better gameplay when both sound and lighting play such a big factor in the enjoyment of this game or any game for that matter.
If BFG did have HD textures, I would've bought it on launch.

Wrong. The BFG blows the original out of the water. The game play is so much better, like it feels smooth especially when at 120FPS. I finished it last night, took approx: 10 hrs on Veteran, and now I am doing the lost mission, this mission is dam scarier than the original. A lot of gotcha ya moments

If you compare the Original vs. BFG all stock with no mods, the BFG looks and plays better.
Eventually we will have the ability to apply textures to the BFG. Either way the Lost Mission alone is worth the upgrade IMO.

[btarunr]

Noob question: did they fix the game for widescreens without needing config tweaks that stretch things out?

[3870x2]

Originally Posted by btarunr

Noob question: did they fix the game for widescreens without needing config tweaks that stretch things out?

+1, 1600x1200 is unacceptable. I am sure they have fixed it in the BFG edition, but what about the modded?

[btarunr]

OK, it looks like they didn't really fix it for widescreens:

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/at...9&d=1348264481

Look at the crosshairs. I'll pass.

[Kwod]

Originally Posted by Super XP

Wrong. The BFG blows the original out of the water.

It may well do so, but I'm referring to THIS modded version which also slays the original.

[Kwod]

Originally Posted by 3870x2

+1, 1600x1200 is unacceptable. I am sure they have fixed it in the BFG edition, but what about the modded?

1920x1200 with this mod.

[JKnows]

So can I install this mod for BFG version? And How could I run timedemo benchmark to see which version is faster on computer.

[Ikaruga]

Originally Posted by btarunr

OK, it looks like they didn't really fix it for widescreens:

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/at...9&d=1348264481

Look at the crosshairs. I'll pass.

Don't know where did you get the picture what you linked, but wide screen is fully supported now in the BFG edition. I'm also not really sure what you meant about the old version, because it only stretched the HUD elements (e.g.: crosshair), but the aspect ratio of the 3D geometry was "OK". You just simply had to set seta r_aspectRatio "1" in the console, and that made it 16:9 or seta r_aspectRatio "2" and that forced 16:10.

With the old version, a shortcut like this produces the 1080p screen below:
doom3.exe +set r_customwidth 1920 +set r_customheight 1080 +set r_aspectRatio 1 +set r_mode -1

(note: I put a screenshot from the BFG edition next to it, so you can see that the HUD is not stretched anymore)

Originally Posted by JKnows

So can I install this mod for BFG version? And How could I run timedemo benchmark to see which version is faster on computer.

No you can't, the BFG edition is not compatible with Doom3 mods:/

[btarunr]

Originally Posted by Ikaruga

Don't know where did you get the picture what you linked, but wide screen is fully supported now in the BFG edition. I'm also not really sure what you meant about the old version, because it only stretched the HUD elements (e.g.: crosshair), but the aspect ratio of the 3D geometry was "OK". You just simply had to set seta r_aspectRatio "1" in the console, and that made it 16:9 or seta r_aspectRatio "2" and that forced 16:10.

With the old version, a shortcut like this produces the 1080p screen below:
doom3.exe +set r_customwidth 1920 +set r_customheight 1080 +set r_aspectRatio 1 +set r_mode -1

(note: I put a screenshot from the BFG edition next to it, so you can see that the HUD is not stretched anymore)

I found that picture in this thread, and I'm not talking about BFG Edition, but this new mod in the OP.

[Ikaruga]

Originally Posted by btarunr

I found that picture in this thread, and I'm not talking about BFG Edition, but this new mod in the OP.

Ah ok, sorry. Yes you can't fix the stretched HUD in the original without adding some extra code or gfx which this mod lacks apparetnly, but the screenies look really great, it's tempting.
I think I will download it on the next weekend and see how it looks when it moves. My only concern is that I will have to deal with sikkmod again. I still use that separately in my current doom3 install, and I remember that the configuration was very time consuming. You add a little (0.05-ish) ambient light, a little ambient occlusion, a little HDR, a little gaussian soft shadows, a little color grading, etc ...and you suddenly end up with 20fps, so you have to start all over again

[HeXen]

call me retarded, but i was going back n forth between you're pics you thumbnailed, and the doom3.jpg looks better than bfgedition.jpeg. Is the first one modded?

i kinda want this game, but torn between graphics....anyone have Original modded vs BFG pics compared? if its not too much difference i'd get the BFG

[Kwod]

Originally Posted by HeXen

call me retarded, but i was going back n forth between you're pics you thumbnailed, and the doom3.jpg looks better than bfgedition.jpeg. Is the first one modded?
G

If you're referring to THIS modded version, then yes, it will look better than BFG as BFG didn't do much at all with textures, only brightened the environment+ allowed for 120fps.

[stinger608]

Here is the blog from Bethesda regarding the release of the GPL Source Code for the BFG version:

Originally Posted by Bethesda blog

For players with the BFG Edition of the game, you’ll be happy to know that we’ll be releasing the GPL source code in the near future. Stay tuned for updates.

http://www.bethblog.com/

This seemed to be just released today regarding this. They also announced that the original release of Doom 3 and Resurrection of Evil is available on Steam again.

[Ikaruga]

Originally Posted by stinger608

Here is the blog from Bethesda regarding the release of the GPL Source Code for the BFG version:



http://www.bethblog.com/

This seemed to be just released today regarding this. They also announced that the original release of Doom 3 and Resurrection of Evil is available on Steam again.

old news

[Completely Bonkers]

EVERYTHING, and I mean Everything, looks like it is covered in candle-wax.

And it still didnt solve the lighting issues... I know this game was meant to be a overly-dark overly-shadowed monster spawn jump out, but this gameplay didnt improve a lot. That's the problem with graphics mods... unless gameplay can also be tweaked... you are spending a lot of time on candy but gameplay stays stuck.

[Ikaruga]

Originally Posted by btarunr

OK, it looks like they didn't really fix it for widescreens:

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/at...9&d=1348264481

Originally Posted by Completely Bonkers

EVERYTHING, and I mean Everything, looks like it is covered in candle-wax.

You guys could perhaps try the latest SIKKMOD build. It has endless awesome graphical options to play with, and 16:9 resolutions and menus as well (some minor graphics elements are still fixed at 4:3 tho, but nothing annoying imo).

Originally Posted by Completely Bonkers

That's the problem with graphics mods... unless gameplay can also be tweaked... you are spending a lot of time on candy but gameplay stays stuck.

Doom3 is a horror/corridor shooter! How is it the fault of the game that you are expecting something else?. Play it maxed out FULLHD on nightmare difficulty in a dark room with some decent soundcard and a good head-phone, and you will understand that it can provide some great fun

[Super XP]

Original DOOM 3 Nodded looks better than BFG, but I would still buy the BFG Edition because it supports real High Definition, 120fps, runs much smoother, brighter and has the lost mission with that Double Barrel Shotgun which IMO is the second most powerful gun in the game next to the BFG gun.

[Ikaruga]

Originally Posted by Super XP

Original DOOM 3 Nodded looks better than BFG, but I would still buy the BFG Edition because it supports real High Definition, 120fps, runs much smoother, brighter and has the lost mission with that Double Barrel Shotgun which IMO is the second most powerful gun in the game next to the BFG gun.

Both version supports the same set of resolutions, you just need mods for the first one, and it's not brighter nor it runs smoother if you have a fast PC. The 120fps and the Lost mission+shotgun part are valid points, but the rest is just simply not true. We are not Xbox360 players who know nothing about mods are graphics options. You continuously keep spreading these false infos, even after you acknowledged several times that you understand that they are not true.

With the original version, you get graphics mods with gorgeous texture packs and up to date visuals, awesome maps and custom campaigns, total conversions, online coop multiplayer (which is the best of all), etc. The list is endless while you give up all of that, to get 120fps + 3D support, a single custom campaign, some idtech5 stuff (like faster loading and better code optimization) as a return with the new version.
These are the facts. Both version has its own advantages and disadvantages, that is all.

[Drone]

Did anyone install Update 1 for BFG edition? I have a few questions, maybe someone might have an answer.

Here's a snippet from release notes:

All projectiles cast shadows
Added option to force v-sync (instead of “smart v-sync”)
Adjusted default brightness value
Variable FOV settings options were added into the main menu
Allow setting anti-aliasing up to 16x on Nvidia hardware. AMD/Intel cap is at 8x
Added option to disable checkpoints

I haven't noticed any projectiles' shadows
I don't care about v-sync so I left it "smart"
Didn't notice any changes in default brightness, and what was wrong with it in the first place?
Now more FOV settings, it's ok.
I don't care that much about AA, I definitely don't need 16x but it's a nice addition.
Why disable checkpoints? They won't hurt.

They also said that they added shadow fx to the flashlight. What the hell can that mean? Seriously, flashlights supposed to shed light not cast shadows lol. Anyway I didn't notice any "shadows" at all with that option turned on.

However patch fixed some annoying bugs such as:

Fixed blood splatter effects break after reloading save game
Fixed broken view nodal code that allowed players to see through the world by backing into a wall and looking up

I remember those annoying glitches. Installing this patch was a good idea even though some of the things are still confusing.

[Ikaruga]

First of all:

Originally Posted by Drone

flashlights supposed to shed light not cast shadows lol

I don't even..... It's just the way how the 3D industry refers to this phenomenon. It's not the light casting the shadows but the objects and surfaces lit by the light ofc, but they still associate the "shadow casting property" with the light involved in the shadow calculation,. In real life everything works by the law of physics, but in a 3D engine, you have to calculate and rasterize everything, and programmers don't calculate all the shadows if you can't see some of them or if some are not needed for certain reasons (see bellow for more)

Originally Posted by Drone

I don't care that much about AA, I definitely don't need 16x but it's a nice addition.

Idtech5 only supports 4xAF, and (iirc) forcing it to more even from the drivers won't do anything. Since the game is super-optimized now and runs fluid on just about anything (mostly thanks to the new idtech5 renderer and the GPU skinning), I think that any options which can increase the detail are welcome by the PC gamers with newer/stronger hardware. Probably it was very easy to add this modifications, so they did it to counter the fixed lower AF.

Originally Posted by Drone

Why disable checkpoints? They won't hurt.

Doom3 is a horror-corridor shooter, which means that it can get repetitive very fast if the tension/adrenalin drops (same enemies on similar corridors, same task... etc), so it's only really fun if you play it on the hardest settings and if the game punishes you for every little mistake you make. The game just simply fails to deliver fun if you play it on easy settings imho. They already added more ammo and health into the BFG edition to make it playable for the console gamers and that combined with the checkpoints made the game super easy even on the Nightmare level, so an option to disable the checkpoints is nice.

Originally Posted by Drone

Didn't notice any changes in default brightness, and what was wrong with it in the first place?

The BFG edition was too bright indeed, but I also did not notice any change, so it was probably a minor tweak.

Originally Posted by Drone

They also said that they added shadow fx to the flashlight. What the hell can that mean? .............Anyway I didn't notice any "shadows" at all with that option turned on.
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I haven't noticed any projectiles' shadows

Shadows can be only seen on lit surfaces. idtech4 doesn't support ambient lighting or partial/soft shadows, so if a surface is inside a dark shadowed area, it will appears totally black, you won't see it without a light, - and because of that - if a shadow is casted onto a shadowed (black) area, you won't see anything about that either, since it's not possible to distinguish black from black.
The flashlight was moved to the left side on the BFG edition, and (probably because of the console versions) it did not cast any shadows to make it less demanding GPU wise. While it was possible to turn on the shadows with some console witchery, but even than, the shadows would have still originated from an imaginary lamp on the weapon side of your body (from the right, like in the original doom3), and not from the new location on your left, so they had to fix that too. It's casting shadows now indeed, it's just hard to notice sometimes because your own POV is almost the same.

[Drone]

Originally Posted by Ikaruga

I don't even..... It's just the way how the 3D industry refers to this phenomenon. It's not the light casting the shadows but the objects and surfaces lit by the light ofc, but they still associate the "shadow casting property" with the light involved in the shadow calculation,. In real life everything works by the law of physics, but in a 3D engine, you have to calculate and rasterize everything, and programmers don't calculate all the shadows if you can't see some of them or if some are not needed for certain reasons (see bellow for more)

I understand it, that's why I wondered. In real life lack of lighting = darkness and lack of heat = cold.

And thank you for your detailed explanation