New Performance/Gaming Computer Build, budget ~$1500 give or take

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by vawrvawerawe

I know the price difference for the Graphics card is certainly the reason why I am choosing AMD/ATI instead of NVIDIA. We are definitely on the same page there.

But the question here is about the Motherboard/Processor. You're suggesting for me to click cancel on the Intel motherboard and get AMD motherboard instead and go with 8320 8-core AMD processor.

YES because you mentioned gaming so the unnoticeable performance difference is replaced by a noticeable one. You also mention doing multitasking/multithreading I linked you about a ton benchmarks showing that the substantially cheaper CPU can perform as well if not better than the 3770K in that style of application.

All of that while being a good chunk less expensive giving you the option to go with other higher performance parts (SSD, more ram, better VGA you take your pick)

[vawrvawerawe]

Originally Posted by cdawall

YES because you mentioned gaming so the unnoticeable performance difference is replaced by a noticeable one. You also mention doing multitasking/multithreading I linked you about a ton benchmarks showing that the substantially cheaper CPU can perform as well if not better than the 3770K in that style of application.

All of that while being a good chunk less expensive giving you the option to go with other higher performance parts (SSD, more ram, better VGA you take your pick)

So why do people buy Intel then if AMD is so much better? Serious question, I hope it doesn't come across as sarcastic because it's not intended to be sarcastic.

[dude12564]

Originally Posted by vawrvawerawe

So why do people buy Intel then if AMD is so much better? Serious question, I hope it doesn't come across as sarcastic because it's not intended to be sarcastic.

Because of assumptions that Intel is better than AMD. Which it is sometimes. Not quite in Performance/Price though.

[vawrvawerawe]

Originally Posted by dude12564

Because of the blindness that is assumptions that Intel is always better than AMD.

What about heat and power efficiency?

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by vawrvawerawe

So why do people buy Intel then if AMD is so much better? Serious question, I hope it doesn't come across as sarcastic because it's not intended to be sarcastic.

Because if you had an unlimited budget it is better. Depending on the games you play it can perform better as well (most of those games an i3 does better than an i7 as well). Depends on what you really want to do the 8320/8350 are quite good processors for the money. For the cost of an i5 you can get the performance of an i7 in multitasking, but only get roughly the performance of an i3 in single threading. Since single core IPC is of a dieing breed I would take the processor that has a substantially better bang for the buck in multicore performance.

Originally Posted by vawrvawerawe

What about heat and power efficiency?

Well there are no threads about the FX series running at 80-90C on the stock coolers like there are for the 3570K/3770K. As for power efficiency intel wins hands down and when that starts to bother me I will spend the money on a Via Nano.

[dude12564]

Originally Posted by vawrvawerawe

What about heat and power efficiency?

I think Intel is better at power efficiency, but Piledriver improved over Bulldozer.

In terms of heat, Ivy Bridge is churning out more heat due to Intel cheaping out on the what should be soldered IHS. It's more apparent when you OC, with voltage increases.

EDIT: that's compared to Sandy bridge.

[Irony]

Intel makes very efficient space heaters.

[vawrvawerawe]

Originally Posted by cdawall

Because if you had an unlimited budget it is better. Depending on the games you play it can perform better as well (most of those games an i3 does better than an i7 as well). Depends on what you really want to do the 8320/8350 are quite good processors for the money. For the cost of an i5 you can get the performance of an i7 in multitasking, but only get roughly the performance of an i3 in single threading. Since single core IPC is of a dieing breed I would take the processor that has a substantially better bang for the buck in multicore performance.



Well there are no threads about the FX series running at 80-90C on the stock coolers like there are for the 3570K/3770K. As for power efficiency intel wins hands down and when that starts to bother me I will spend the money on a Via Nano.

Via Nano - never heard of it

[dude12564]

Originally Posted by vawrvawerawe

Via Nano - never heard of it

VIA is the third "known" x86 CPU manufacturer. They typically make embedded boards for low-cost systems.

[vawrvawerawe]

Originally Posted by dude12564

VIA is the third "known" x86 CPU manufacturer. They typically make embedded boards for low-cost systems.

Performance? Just curious

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Ok so I have to now look for RAM again. Because I missed out on the deal I was about 3 minutes too late, because they sold out FAST. Possibly partly because of my threads and links to it in this and another forum.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by vawrvawerawe

Via Nano - never heard of it

It's a 12w dual core processor that eats the Atom for lunch and performs on par if not better than AMD's offerings with less power consumption.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Nano_X...2%20U4300.html

[vawrvawerawe]

Originally Posted by cdawall

It's a 12w dual core processor that eats the Atom for lunch and performs on par if not better than AMD's offerings with less power consumption.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Nano_X...2%20U4300.html

Interesting.

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@Irony: Still waiting on those case pics.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by vawrvawerawe

Interesting.

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@Irony: Still waiting on those case pics.

Yea it was a quip at the power consumption comment. It is one of those things that makes zero difference to me in a high end PC.

[Irony]

Originally Posted by cdawall

makes zero difference to me in a high end PC.

Pretty much sums it up for alot of enthusiasts, I would say. Lulz, the lights flicker in my house when I power my PC on. It almost induces evil laughter...

[vawrvawerawe]

Originally Posted by Irony

Pretty much sums it up for alot of enthusiasts, I would say. Lulz, the lights flicker in my house when I power my PC on. It almost induces evil laughter...

Well I don't pay the electric bill. So I don't want to kill my landlord with extremely high electric bills. I don't want it to be any more than what I currently use, if possible. The AC adapter for my GT780DX is literally a PSU and about half the size of one. It's a freaking brick.

I just calculated the wattage of my AC Adapter/PSU for my laptop: 180.5 Watts. 19v/9.5A That's one serious AC Adapter for a laptop!!!

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What do you think of the following RAM?

1600

Komputerbay 16GB 2x 8GB DDR3 PC3-12800 1600MHz DIMM C10 Black Heatspreader 16 GB

CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)

1866

Patriot Viper 3 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 15000)

G.SKILL Sniper Gaming Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866

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[dude12564]

Originally Posted by vawrvawerawe

Well I don't pay the electric bill. So I don't want to kill my landlord with extremely high electric bills. I don't want it to be any more than what I currently use, if possible. The AC adapter for my GT780DX is literally a PSU and about half the size of one. It's a freaking brick.

I just calculated the wattage of my AC Adapter/PSU for my laptop: 180.5 Watts. 19v/9.5A That's one serious AC Adapter for a laptop!!!

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What do you think of the following RAM?

1600

Komputerbay 16GB 2x 8GB DDR3 PC3-12800 1600MHz DIMM C10 Black Heatspreader 16 GB

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CORSAIR-Veng...item5896a2bff2

1866

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Patriot-Vipe...item46098313d3

http://www.ebay.com/itm/G-SKILL-Snip...item5897177c23

i have never heard of that brand. but then it might not be sold in canada.

[vawrvawerawe]

Here's a couple Newegg links:

Which is better or more reliable/trusted?

Patriot Viper 3 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ...

G.SKILL Sniper Gaming Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pi...

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[cdawall]

edit:

Pause clicked the wrong check box!

AVEXIR Standard Series 16GB Kit (2 x 8GB) Dual Cha...

[vawrvawerawe]

Originally Posted by cdawall

edit:

Pause clicked the wrong check box!

AVEXIR Standard Series 16GB Kit (2 x 8GB) Dual Cha...

For only $9 more I could up it to 1866 with the Patriot Viper - should I get it?

[Novulux]

So are you going with an HD 7950?

[vawrvawerawe]

Originally Posted by Novulux

So are you going with an HD 7950?

I don't think so because of the price. $300 vs $250 for the 7870. Do you think it's worth the extra $50?

And I really need to decide on this RAM so please help

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by vawrvawerawe

For only $9 more I could up it to 1866 with the Patriot Viper - should I get it?

Yes

Originally Posted by vawrvawerawe

I don't think so because of the price. $300 vs $250 for the 7870. Do you think it's worth the extra $50?

And I really need to decide on this RAM so please help

Depends on the resolution.

[vawrvawerawe]

Originally Posted by cdawall

Yes

Depends on the resolution.

Primarily 1 x 1920x1080 @ 60Hz (1080p) 24"

Occasionally and perhaps in the future regularly, a second 1080p monitor 23"

Perhaps in the future a third 1080p monitor, but maybe not.

[drdeathx]

Originally Posted by vawrvawerawe

I don't think so because of the price. $300 vs $250 for the 7870. Do you think it's worth the extra $50?

And I really need to decide on this RAM so please help

Last time I suggest it, get the AMD 8320 and up the GPU to a Radeon 7970..... A much better all around rig.....

[repman244]

Originally Posted by dude12564

In terms of heat, Ivy Bridge is churning out more heat due to Intel cheaping out on the what should be soldered IHS

It doesn't output more heat, it only runs with higher temperature (temperature != heat) due to the reason you already mentioned.

Anyway I think I would agree with drdeathx, the 8320 is really a solid CPU (and great for it's price), put the money towards a better GPU if you're into gaming.