No DirectX 11.1 for Windows 7?

btarunr · Nov 12, 2012, 12:35 PM

It looks like Microsoft is using the old DirectX limitation trick to push PC enthusiasts to buy its latest operating system. According to a Hardware Info report that cites a post on Microsoft Answers Forum by Microsoft employee Daniel Moth, the company may restrict DirectX 11.1, of which the newest generation of GPUs from AMD and NVIDIA are compatible with, to Windows 8. Windows 7 users will have to make do with DirectX 11. The move could be a little harsh, as each new version of Windows has access to at least two new DirectX versions. Windows XP saw DirectX 8 and 9.x, Windows Vista DirectX 10 and 11. Microsoft DirectX 11.1 adds a few new features to its Direct3D component. In addition to a vendor-neutral stereo 3D platform, it adds a host of 3D API features.

Source: Hardware.info

Frick · Nov 12, 2012, 12:36 PM

Wasn't this known already? It feels like I've read about it before.

natr0n · Nov 12, 2012, 12:47 PM

This is not going to happen being that user base is too large on 7.

Also, not many games are on DX 11 as it is. 11.1 update will be miniscule.

Completely Bonkers · Nov 12, 2012, 12:47 PM

DX should be separated from Windows, just like Internet Explorer

The only reason to "tie" DX editions down to Windows versions is monopolistic control.

In other news, EU fines MS to help bail out Greece.

Drmark · Nov 12, 2012, 12:51 PM

Well what else can MS do? Not like they can roll out the "It ain't vista" to sell millions of copies. I have yet to see one reason to upgrade.

Filiprino · Nov 12, 2012, 12:55 PM

Hahaha, DX11.1 will go the way DX10.1 went. No one will use it.

OpenGL 4.2 all the way.

Prima.Vera · Nov 12, 2012, 12:55 PM

I am curious about DirectX 12. It will come to Win 7 or not??

jgrahl · Nov 12, 2012, 01:00 PM

ethically wrong, financially right, wtg micro$oft.

marsey99 · Nov 12, 2012, 01:03 PM

more reason to help steam and origin switch to linux if you ask me.

eidairaman1 · Nov 12, 2012, 01:16 PM

MS makes me laugh honestly, drivers get broken each Windows version, now making it where DX isnt updated (XP had DX8-DX9C). Most Users wont move to 8 Unless if they have a means of removing the Start Screen, most dont appreciate having to buy a software program just to restore Windows 7 Functionality which worked! Also testing here proved to amount no gain in gaming performance over 7, It actually fell a couple of points.

SaltyFish · Nov 12, 2012, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by natr0n

This is not going to happen being that user base is too large on 7.

Also, not many games are on DX 11 as it is. 11.1 update will be miniscule.

Hmm... didn't we get this exact same thing a while back with DX10 and XP? I suspect that, desire for backwards-compatibility, and programmer laziness are the three main reasons why that most games are still on DX9.

Mindweaver · Nov 12, 2012, 01:22 PM

Wait.. What? Windows 7 won't get DX 11.1 to play DX 9 console ports?

Well f@ck me..

and the new consoles will use DX 11 at most... Unless they are saying XBox 720 will use DX 11.1, but still it's a whole year for Windows 8 to flop... I'm using Win8 on a laptop and like it in some ways, but hate it in others.. I just found out Saturday that I would have to purchase the $10 Microsoft Media Player Upgrade to play DVD's..

You can get around that by using other players like VLC player, but still the fact that M$ remove DVD playback is still f@cked up..

@Filiprino - I agree with you and think this will go the way of the DX 10.1.. and believe OpenGL 4.2 for the win!

Frick · Nov 12, 2012, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

MS makes me laugh honestly, drivers get broken each Windows version, now making it where DX isnt updated (XP had DX8-DX9C).

Drivers are the manufacturers responsibility as well as MS. Blame them too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaltyFish

Hmm... didn't we get this exact same thing a while back with DX10 and XP? I suspect that, desire for backwards-compatibility, and programmer laziness are the three main reasons why that most games are still on DX9.

Wasn't there actual technical reasons for DX10 not making it to XP?

RejZoR · Nov 12, 2012, 01:31 PM

Only thing they'll achieve with such behavior is to push more users to Linux...

Dent1 · Nov 12, 2012, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mindweaver

Wait.. What? Windows 7 won't get DX 11.1 to play DX 9 console ports? :

Dude Don't jump the gun.

Quote:

Originally Posted by btarunr

Microsoft employee Daniel Moth, the company may restrict DirectX 11.1

Quote:

Originally Posted by RejZoR

Only thing they'll achieve with such behavior is to push more users to Linux...

That won't happen. The choice is stick with Windows 7 and play games just fine under DX10, DX10.1 or DX11 with virtually the same level of detail or run to Linux with a limited support for old games. Which sounds more attrative to gamers?

RejZoR · Nov 12, 2012, 02:09 PM

Just wait for Steam to hit Linux...

zAAm · Nov 12, 2012, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgrahl

ethically wrong, financially right, wtg micro$oft.

+1

As a consumer you still have a choice. If you don't want to move to Win8, don't buy titles that only support DX11.1? It's not like you signed a contract with Microsoft that forces them to provide legacy support...

It's all economics...

dir_d · Nov 12, 2012, 02:29 PM

This article is speaking half truth. Another article stated that DX11.1 needed WDDM 1.2 which is only in windows 8 and is tied into the kernel. It would make perfect sense why DX 11.1 was not offered to windows 7. Also DX11.1 offers some pretty good advantages and will be used when the next generation of consoles comes out.

DRDNA · Nov 12, 2012, 02:35 PM

lol Microsoft is funny...they will implement DX11.1 into Win 7 as Win 7 Came with DX11 and its 2nd DX update will be DX 11.1 no doubt there at all for me. It may be a little late to the game for Win 7 users but they will get their just reward of 11.1. YOU WILL SEE...

semantics · Nov 12, 2012, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RejZoR

Just wait for Steam to hit Linux...

And the flood of 1 game a year that supports linux to hit steam for linux. You act like steam spurred AAA titles for windows.

Frick · Nov 12, 2012, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RejZoR

Only thing they'll achieve with such behavior is to push more users to Linux...

I don't think so.

Dj-ElectriC · Nov 12, 2012, 02:52 PM

Dear microsoft

F*ck you. Have a nice day

nickbaldwin86 · Nov 12, 2012, 02:53 PM

I will stick with W7 and DX11.... DX11.1 isn't worth the wasted efforts that W8 entails. so but I don't need that start button to be 1/3 of my screen

Totally · Nov 12, 2012, 03:00 PM

What the big deal? DX releases after 10 are just incremental supersets

Animalpak · Nov 12, 2012, 03:05 PM

if all you are sure it is not true

... So DAFQ is this news ???

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