StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm Infests Stores March 12, 2013

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by mlee49

Surely the Meta-game will rise.... .... or people will get sick of playing ZvZ every match.

Its going to get much worse with HotS relase

Infestors everywhere is making my marines sad

[Ravenas]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

I LOVED the first Star Craft years ago.....the original. I haven't played the new one yet, however after the fail that Diablo 3 was I don't want to give Blizzard anymore of my money. I put about 60 hours into Diablo but only because I had friends that were playing. Even after a while they stopped also. IMO they really created a very shallow game. Things are tight and I don't steal games so I have to make sure the money I do spend is well worth it.

Firstly, story wise Diablo 3 is no different as Diablo 2. They are both not focused on story and more focused on repetitive dungeon runs. Diablo 3 as a game right now is completely fine and all flaws have been updated and fixed. However, the lack of PVP arenas is sad.

Lastly, for someone to skip StarCraft 2 is a complete tragedy on every form of a gamer. StarCraft 2 is literally the best single player and multiplayer RTS ever made to date. If you pass on StarCraft 2, you're the one who is shallow, not Blizzard.

[3870x2]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

They rolled out everything in HotS beta, only to retract almost everything. Zerg is still OP, and going to be even more so when HotS gets rolled out. Non-Zerg multiplayer in Sc2 is suffering

For even a longer time, Zerg was suffering at release, it just takes them too long to roll out fixes.

Originally Posted by Ravenas

Firstly, story wise Diablo 3 is no different as Diablo 2. They are both not focused on story and more focused on repetitive dungeon runs. Diablo 3 as a game right now is completely fine and all flaws have been updated and fixed. However, the lack of PVP arenas is sad.

Lastly, for someone to skip StarCraft 2 is a complete tragedy on every form of a gamer. StarCraft 2 is literally the best single player and multiplayer RTS ever made to date. If you pass on StarCraft 2, you're the one who is shallow, not Blizzard.

Well, that is a bit of a rude way to put it, but your point comes across solidly.

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by 3870x2

For even a longer time, Zerg was suffering at release, it just takes them too long to roll out fixes.

Doesn't mean they can leave Zerg dominance completely unchecked for the past half year, but I think we are going out of topic here. When the game was released I told my friends that Zerg is powerful, but the map and gameplay is not suitable to bring out the best of them. Now that we have non-retarded maps and smart(er) Zerg innovators the game has been almost one sided Swarmfest, with excellent Terrans and Protosses showing brief periods of brilliance before getting overunned.

[Syborfical]

After starcraft 2 and what blizzard activision did to wow I think ill pass.

I paid $80 for 1/3 of the star craft game now they want another $80 for the next 3rd.
And since there is no lan support its not worth buying.

Its not like blizzard have come up with a new idea in 15 years

[3870x2]

Originally Posted by Syborfical

After starcraft 2 and what blizzard activision did to wow I think ill pass.

I paid $80 for 1/3 of the star craft game now they want another $80 for the next 3rd.
And since there is no lan support its not worth buying.

Its not like blizzard have come up with a new idea in 15 years

Not sure which currency you are using, but the original was $60, expansions are $40 USD.

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by Syborfical

After starcraft 2 and what blizzard activision did to wow I think ill pass.

I paid $80 for 1/3 of the star craft game now they want another $80 for the next 3rd.
And since there is no lan support its not worth buying.

Its not like blizzard have come up with a new idea in 15 years

I am not quite sure what you are talking about, the lack of LAN is a massive pain (especially in tournaments) but so far out of the 2000+ games it has not gotten more than a minor annoyance to me. Also, whenever I play the game, it doesn't feel like "1/3 a game" either, so can you please enlighten me on why lack of LAN is such a big issue, and also why it is only 1/3 a game. I have gotten more than 500 hours on this game, which is more than almost all the games I played combined over the last 2 years (except for Dota 2)

[Prima.Vera]

Originally Posted by Ravenas

Firstly, story wise Diablo 3 is no different as Diablo 2.

You serious, or just ironic!??

[Frick]

Originally Posted by Prima.Vera

You serious, or just ironic!??

I think he meant that the stories in both games are not that important. They're just backdrops to the endless grind.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by Ravenas

Firstly, story wise Diablo 3 is no different as Diablo 2. They are both not focused on story and more focused on repetitive dungeon runs. Diablo 3 as a game right now is completely fine and all flaws have been updated and fixed. However, the lack of PVP arenas is sad.

Lastly, for someone to skip StarCraft 2 is a complete tragedy on every form of a gamer. StarCraft 2 is literally the best single player and multiplayer RTS ever made to date. If you pass on StarCraft 2, you're the one who is shallow, not Blizzard.

Diablo 3 was killed by the real money auction house. As for Star Craft 2 plot and me being shallow......well If I cared what you thought of me I might be hurt.

[3870x2]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Diablo 3 was killed by the real money auction house. As for Star Craft 2 plot and me being shallow......well If I cared what you thought of me I might be hurt.

I figured the RMAH would be a great addition. Turns out you have to grind hours a day for 3 months to find something worthwhile.

Not to mention grinding was OK in diablo 2 because you are always gaining experience. I hear they fixed this issue, kind of.

[[H]@RD5TUFF]

Originally Posted by mlee49

Just so were're all on the same page, Starcraft 2 is a 3 part series. The first part, Wings of Liberty was focused on the Terran single person play through. The second part will feature the Zerg(ie Swarm), and the last will focus on the Protoss perspective.

Each series has more specific single player campaign and will add on to the multiplayer with new units, new capabilities, and new dynamics.

Lastly, Starcraft is HUGE in Korea and more comparable to Football. Top players can earn $200,000 a year in tournaments, sponsors, and salaries. They have dedicated television channels and a complete world built around this game.

So it's now okay to sell an incomplete game in thirds . . . to hell with that, it should have been released all at one time this game add 0 multiplayer content so your paying $40 for some cheap shit single player campaings that blizzard cheated you out of in the first place! FUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKK THATTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:shad edshu

[3870x2]

Originally Posted by [H]@RD5TUFF

So it's now okay to sell an incomplete game in thirds . . . to hell with that, it should have been released all at one time this game add 0 multiplayer content so your paying $40 for some cheap shit single player campaings that blizzard cheated you out of in the first place! FUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKK THATTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:shad edshu

I have over 40 hours put into the single player.
I have over 2000 hours put into the multiplayer.
This game is more complete than your top 3 favorite games combined.

BTW have you received the 5750?

[Ravenas]

Originally Posted by 3870x2

I figured the RMAH would be a great addition. Turns out you have to grind hours a day for 3 months to find something worthwhile.

Not to mention grinding was OK in diablo 2 because you are always gaining experience. I hear they fixed this issue, kind of.

It's beyond fixed. The drop rates are very high now. Paragon levels make it even better. Real money auction house changes nothing. It provides an outlet for noob players who want to buy gear so they can get gear they would never otherwise have because they don't invest the time. It also provides an outlet for people who grind constantly to actually profit from it.

So it's now okay to sell an incomplete game in thirds . . . to hell with that, it should have been released all at one time this game add 0 multiplayer content so your paying $40 for some cheap shit single player campaings that blizzard cheated you out of in the first place! FUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKK THATTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:shad edshu

Lol... you must have never played the single player campaign. It is as long as company of heroes, if not longer. Please, the game is longer than most single player RTSs released. The only people who complain are those who have not played. Which is easier to do than actually invest money and play the game.

[NC37]

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

I still have starcraft installed and play about every week but I have yet to play SC2. The price is alittle more than I want to pay for something that has been out for a while.

Is my argument. I even had a friend offer to get it for me but I told him not to cause for a game as old as it is, it shouldn't be that high. Blizz is being stupid, they're being...well...Activision. But even Activision finally had to drop CoD prices.

Used to love Blizz but the last few years have been terrible. From WoW, to SC, and then their messes with D3. They went from a quality studio to just mediocre.

[3870x2]

If you play Battlefield 3, but don't play Starcraft II because you think Blizzard is a bad company, you need to be dragged out onto the street and shot for such blasphemy.

Also the teams that makes D3 and SC2 are different.

[Ravenas]

Originally Posted by NC37

Is my argument. I even had a friend offer to get it for me but I told him not to cause for a game as old as it is, it shouldn't be that high. Blizz is being stupid, they're being...well...Activision. But even Activision finally had to drop CoD prices.

Used to love Blizz but the last few years have been terrible. From WoW, to SC, and then their messes with D3. They went from a quality studio to just mediocre.

Lol... You say that... But find a better PC game in their respective genres... You can't... Mists of Panderia is the best expansion in WoW. The talent tree changes have been brought down to a level where they got rid of many things that made no since to have because you either needed them, or didn't need them so why should you have to make a choice like that? They added scenarios, challenges, raid content and a raid finder. The player base is extremely high. Additionally, World of Warcraft has created all of the innovation in the MMORPG market... Other games MMOs copy what WoW dsoes.


The best RTS out right now is SC2. The professional gamer community is enthralled in, and besides that it has the best single player RTS campaign I have ever played. The multiplayer is so addicting and fun and challenging. THe ladder system is great. The player finder is awesome too.

Diablo 3 is hands down the best action RPG available. Where is the competition? Torchlight? HA!.. Seriously, you are talking about a game still stuck in Diablo 2 system with horrible graphics and a kiddy story. The Diablo 3 player base and auction house is extremely boalstered. It's the best action RPG period.


Blizzard is only lacking right now in one department... That department is the new and coming DotA and LoL genre. They are about to address that with "Blizzard AllStars".

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by Ravenas

Lol... You say that... But find a better PC game in their respective genres... You can't... Mists of Panderia is the best expansion in WoW. The talent tree changes have been brought down to a level where they got rid of many things that made no since to have because you either needed them, or didn't need them so why should you have to make a choice like that? They added scenarios, challenges, raid content and a raid finder. The player base is extremely high. Additionally, World of Warcraft has created all of the innovation in the MMORPG market... Other games MMOs copy what WoW dsoes.


The best RTS out right now is SC2. The professional gamer community is enthralled in, and besides that it has the best single player RTS campaign I have ever played. The multiplayer is so addicting and fun and challenging. THe ladder system is great. The player finder is awesome too.

Diablo 3 is hands down the best action RPG available. Where is the competition? Torchlight? HA!.. Seriously, you are talking about a game still stuck in Diablo 2 system with horrible graphics and a kiddy story. The Diablo 3 player base and auction house is extremely boalstered. It's the best action RPG period.


Blizzard is only lacking right now in one department... That department is the new and coming DotA and LoL genre. They are about to address that with "Blizzard AllStars".

Titans Quest blows Diablo 3 away and MMO's are for children, virgins and socially inept dorks.

[xBruce88x]

Originally Posted by mlee49

You realize SC2 came out in 2010, it's not new anymore.

Also, you're in the same boat as many others right now. A lot of people were disappointed in D3 and are not interested in giving money to Blizzard. Personally, I paid $60 for SC2 Wings of Liberty and I feel I should get HoTS at a DLC price. Even $30 is a bit much for the same gameplay with a handful of new units.

In that case I should get it free since I bought the collector's ed. Still have everything in pretty good condition including the box... though the decorative stuff they put on the usb stick, that grayish stuff on the metal, has mostly rubbed off by now.

honestly though the price doesn't seem all that bad to me. The collectors ed comes with some pretty neat stuff. about to go pre-order the collector's ed at gamestop.

[Ravenas]

Originally Posted by xBruce88x

In that case I should get it free since I bought the collector's ed. Still have everything in pretty good condition including the box... though the decorative stuff they put on the usb stick, that grayish stuff on the metal, has mostly rubbed off by now.

honestly though the price doesn't seem all that bad to me. The collectors ed comes with some pretty neat stuff. about to go pre-order the collector's ed at gamestop.

I bought the collector's edition too... Wasn't really that bad of a price for everything you recieved. Ya my flash drive is looking pretty worn too haha.

[xBruce88x]

hmm.. couldn't find the collector's ed on gamestop's site... I guess I'll have to call them about it.

yea... i wish it would have been a little more rugged, but then again I think it was meant to just sit there in the box lol. It still looks pretty cool when you plug it in. I thought about cracking it open to see if I could put a larger drive in it but I think I'll leave it be.

[[H]@RD5TUFF]

Originally Posted by Ravenas

Firstly, story wise Diablo 3 is no different as Diablo 2. They are both not focused on story and more focused on repetitive dungeon runs. Diablo 3 as a game right now is completely fine and all flaws have been updated and fixed. However, the lack of PVP arenas is sad.

Lastly, for someone to skip StarCraft 2 is a complete tragedy on every form of a gamer. StarCraft 2 is literally the best single player and multiplayer RTS ever made to date. If you pass on StarCraft 2, you're the one who is shallow, not Blizzard.

Originally Posted by 3870x2

I have over 40 hours put into the single player.
I have over 2000 hours put into the multiplayer.
This game is more complete than your top 3 favorite games combined.

BTW have you received the 5750?

No it is not complete if you only get 1/3 of the story and then they want more money for the rest of it.

Yes I did get the 5750 last week, aparently the postal service lost it, then managed to find it again (PM me if you want the full story)

Originally Posted by Ravenas

It's beyond fixed. The drop rates are very high now. Paragon levels make it even better. Real money auction house changes nothing. It provides an outlet for noob players who want to buy gear so they can get gear they would never otherwise have because they don't invest the time. It also provides an outlet for people who grind constantly to actually profit from it.



Lol... you must have never played the single player campaign. It is as long as company of heroes, if not longer. Please, the game is longer than most single player RTSs released. The only people who complain are those who have not played. Which is easier to do than actually invest money and play the game.

You should stop riding blizzards nuts long enough to open your eyes, that your being ripped off. And how dare you assume I haven't played it, this just furthers your ignorance . Stop your pathetic attempts to defend that which can't be defended under anything more than greed.

[Ravenas]

Originally Posted by xBruce88x

hmm.. couldn't find the collector's ed on gamestop's site... I guess I'll have to call them about it.

yea... i wish it would have been a little more rugged, but then again I think it was meant to just sit there in the box lol. It still looks pretty cool when you plug it in. I thought about cracking it open to see if I could put a larger drive in it but I think I'll leave it be.

Yeah it probably was lol... I get asked all the time at work: "Who is Jim Raynor?"

[Frick]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Titans Quest blows Diablo 3 away and MMO's are for children, virgins and socially inept dorks.

"ok" about the MMO part. They're not for all but they can be pretty fun.

Originally Posted by [H]@RD5TUFF

No it is not complete if you only get 1/3 of the story and then they want more money for the rest of it.

WTH are you talking about? Should all Crysis games be considered one game as well? Heroes of Might and Magic? Warcraft II and III? Dragon Age? Strange and bad argument.

And I have to assume you didn't play it as you're saying it's incomplete. Because it totally is not. I was sceptic too at first, but when I played it it was a-ok, because it is a full lenght game. It is a full lenght game, and it adds tons and tons and more tons multiplayer content. It is actually a bit like Battlefield there (but with a better SP campaign/story): It's an MP game with a campaign.

[3870x2]

Originally Posted by [H]@RD5TUFF

No it is not complete if you only get 1/3 of the story and then they want more money for the rest of it.

Yes I did get the 5750 last week, aparently the postal service lost it, then managed to find it again (PM me if you want the full story)



You should stop riding blizzards nuts long enough to open your eyes, that your being ripped off. And how dare you assume I haven't played it, this just furthers your ignorance . Stop your pathetic attempts to defend that which can't be defended under anything more than greed.

If you think of it that way, then multi-series novels are a waste also.