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Old Nov 13, 2012, 09:30 PM   #76
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You're right. There's many methods of CO2 capturing and removing.

Those methods are economically feasible and can remove CO2 directly from the air.

Zeolite (SSZ-13) can easily capture CO2 while leaving other gases alone. Look at the facts: each pore halts one CO2 molecule - and each cubic cm of the zeolite has enough pores to stop 0.31 grams of CO2.

http://cdn.physorg.com/newman/gfx/ne...stprovides.jpg

I agree, it's pathetic that such things are ignored. CO2 is toxic. High concentration of CO2 will screw our atmosphere. What can be more important than the air we breathe ...
Exactly! Then why is it we as humans can not seem to band together and CLEAN up the air? We have the tech we have the means yet no one is even going to try? What a sad thing the human race really is. It is our fault it will be our undoing!
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Exactly! Then why is it we as humans can not seem to band together and CLEAN up the air? We have the tech we have the means yet no one is even going to try? What a sad thing the human race really is. It is our fault it will be our undoing!
You have plenty of free time, why don't you solve the worlds problems?
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You have plenty of free time, why don't you solve the worlds problems?
Seems you do as well.
You seem to be trolling me a lot, maybe if you put that superior intellect of yours to better use we would have some clean air.?
I often wonder with all the tech we have just what good does it really do? All I see is a generation of Youtube face book people hell bent on wasting there lives away! Well I am old and have but a short time left on this planet so you young ones will have to deal with this shit NOT me! For now the air is fine wait till you have to have an oxygen mask on just to live!
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Seems you do as well.
You seem to be trolling me a lot, maybe if you put that superior intellect of yours to better use we would have some clean air.?
I often wonder with all the tech we have just what good does it really do? All I see is a generation of Youtube face book people hell bent on wasting there lives away! Well I am old and have but a short time left on this planet so you young ones will have to deal with this shit NOT me! For now the air is fine wait till you have to have an oxygen mask on just to live!
I work from home and hate polar bears.
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Not as much as you think. Why don't you do some thing? I mean you have the superior intellect and can do no wrong so put that thing to good use and start to come up with a plan to solve this problem. The tools are there and the tech we have! You could make billions if you just used that superior intellect you show us all the time!
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Sheer fact is a lot of money is being made through the burning of fossil fuels.

Even with perfectly good alternative like Thorium reactors known to work, it needs money to give it proper traction and those with the money to fund it are either the Government or companies banking from the burning of fossil fuels.
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Sheer fact is a lot of money is being made through the burning of fossil fuels.

Even with perfectly good alternative like Thorium reactors known to work, it needs money to give it proper traction and those with the money to fund it are either the Government or companies banking from the burning of fossil fuels.
Not to worry as there is only so much fossil fuel left. Soon there will be none and that will force a change!
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Not as much as you think. Why don't you do some thing? I mean you have the superior intellect and can do no wrong so put that thing to good use and start to come up with a plan to solve this problem. The tools are there and the tech we have! You could make billions if you just used that superior intellect you show us all the time!
Because I don't care?
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Because I don't care?
But with out your superior intellect to solve the worlds problems you will be condemning an entire world to global warming!
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Even with perfectly good alternative like Thorium reactors
And what's good about it? How to manage all the waste? It's highly toxic and radioactive. Fossil fuels are crap but at least they won't make us glow in the dark.
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And what's good about it? How to manage all the waste? It's highly toxic and radioactive. Fossil fuels are crap but at least they won't make us glow in the dark.
You clearly know nothing about it.

I recommend you do some research.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_...tor#Advantages

That might be a good start.
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And what's good about it? How to manage all the waste? It's highly toxic and radioactive. Fossil fuels are crap but at least they won't make us glow in the dark.
LOL. thing is they are finite, Oil is going to run out sooner or later and then what? Just what is left? Coal? Yeah coal driven cars and trucks!
We do need to look at things like this. the waste can be safely disposed of we have thousands of miles of desert that we can put the crap. See it is this kind of crap thinking that has the USA in a quagmire you people think that all forms of nuclear power should be taken off the table yet the rest of the world is using it. Isn't Germany and France like 90% nuclear power? While America still uses coal and Oil as the main source of generating power. What a fucking joke!
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You clearly know nothing about it.

I recommend you do some research.

That might be a good start.
Here's a snippet from your fantastic wikipedia link

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There is also a need to manage the waste, which is still very radioactive
However I dunno maybe you're an uber expert in that then ... if so then my bad.
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However I dunno maybe you're an uber expert in that then ... if so then my bad.
You don't have to be an uber expert, you just have to know how to read.

Thorium offers a spectacular solution to the challenge of 4.5 billion year decay rates of Uranium byproducts. 83% of Thorium byproducts decay in 100 years’ time, and 99.9% of byproducts have become inert in a mere 300 years.

"Destruction of existing long lived nuclear wastes." The LFTR can "burn" problematic radioactive waste with transuranic elements from traditional solid-fuel nuclear reactors without producing new transuranic waste in the process, thus solving the long term high level waste problem by turning the liability into an asset.

It can run off waste from traditional reactors.

It isn't where it ought to be yet, which is why funding is still needed. It has great potential. It can breed with its own waste and if they get it at a 1:1 then its almost like free energy, near unity.

Lower fuel cost.
Reactor efficiency.
Thorium abundance
No shortage of natural resources.
Destruction of existing long lived nuclear wastes.
Fail safe core.
No co2...

To name a few...

Its automatically perceived negatively in general. People hear reactor, think nuclear and think danger.
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@ Trickson: All German NPPs will be closed by 2022. This new legislation has come into existence because Fukushima Daiichi got into trouble during the latest quake in Japan. That disaster and the one at Cherno (among others) made the Germans decide that it enough is enough.
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Because I don't care?
Can't tell if trolling blah blah but pretty fucking reckless, regardless. Especially for a father who I know "cares"about his kids. Even with this climate change shit aside as David Letterman said "I have an 11-year-old son. What's the world going to be like when he is my age?"

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Can't tell if trolling blah blah but pretty fucking reckless, regardless. Especially for a father who I know "cares"about his kids. Even with this climate change shit aside as David Letterman said "I have an 11-year-old son. What's the world going to be like when he is my age?"
Nothing I can make a difference in? Ill teach my kids how to survive the world and its BS man made or nature as I cannot control either. That's the problem with a lot of people today. They really believe they have control over things. You have none. Zero. People are gonna be people. Governments will always try and gain control by any means and the only thing you can do is teach your children how to survive. You let me know when you think you can control the weather and governments and Ill start listening. Until then I DON'T CARE.

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@ Trickson: All German NPPs will be closed by 2022. This new legislation has come into existence because Fukushima Daiichi got into trouble during the latest quake in Japan. That disaster and the one at Cherno (among others) made the Germans decide that it enough is enough.
What are they going too? I think closing NPP is stupid unless those crafty Krauts came up with something better.
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Nothing I can make a difference in? Ill teach my kids how to survive the world and its BS man made or nature as I cannot control either. That's the problem with a lot of people today. They really believe they have control over things. You have none. Zero. People are gonna be people. Governments will always try and gain control by any means and the only thing you can do is teach your children how to survive. You let me know when you think you can control the weather and governments and Ill start listening. Until then I DON'T CARE.
Well I have news for you, I can control weather! I have climate control in both my house and my car so you sir are wrong!

And people already control governments, they are just shitty. I can't guarantee the next wave of ppl will be any less shity either.
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"Destruction of existing long lived nuclear wastes." The LFTR can "burn" problematic radioactive waste with transuranic elements from traditional solid-fuel nuclear reactors without producing new transuranic waste in the process, thus solving the long term high level waste problem by turning the liability into an asset.

It can run off waste from traditional reactors.

It isn't where it ought to be yet, which is why funding is still needed. It has great potential. It can breed with its own waste and if they get it at a 1:1 then its almost like free energy, near unity.

Lower fuel cost.
Reactor efficiency.
Thorium abundance
No shortage of natural resources.
Destruction of existing long lived nuclear wastes.
Fail safe core.
No co2...

To name a few...
If it can easily deal with its own waste why did they list waste treatment as a challenge? Or wiki is full of shit again? Radioactive waste can't just be "burnt". Energy don't appear and disappear, it's conserved. Jiggly subatomic particles won't just stop flying.
Thorium is abundant but its extraction and transportation isn't easy because it's pyrophoric.

Many things have great potential (photovoltaics and wind power) which deserve funding as nothing else but if it's one of them so be it *shrugs*
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If it can easily deal with its own waste why did they list waste treatment as a challenge? Or wiki is full of shit again? Radioactive waste can't just be "burnt". Energy don't appear and disappear, it's conserved. Jiggly subatomic particles won't just stop flying.
Thorium is abundant but its extraction and transportation isn't easy because it's pyrophoric.

Many things have great potential (photovoltaics and wind power) which deserve funding as nothing else but if it's one of them so be it *shrugs*
Molten Salt Reactor, uses a moderated nuclear breeding reaction involving Thorium 232 and Uranium 233 in a Fluoride-Lithium-Beryllium molten salt fuel, the system can be improved upon providing greater breeding yields.

Due to the fuel component being a high temperature, low pressure liquid, the reaction vessel never exceeds a pressure of .5 MPa, more than an order of magnitude less than the high pressures of solid-fueled nuclear reactors, which often exceed 15 MPa.22.

Thorium’s improvement over conventional fuel cycles, produces only 1.6kg of Plutonium, .3kg of Americium, and 5.4kg of Minor Actinides over 30 years of energy production nothing when compared to the hundreds of kilograms of each produced by Uranium cycles.

Thorium fuel cycles are proven to eliminate virtually all of the problems preventing Uranium fuel cycles from displacing fossil fuels as a main fuel source, and the science behind the technology shows that it is a viable candidate for global power production. Wind and sun are not consistent, this would be. The little issues it has is nothing that some good funding couldn't get rid of.
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This is just how I feel about this issue. Enjoy.
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What is going to change? The climate? We all know global warming is real. No need to point that out. What I meant with the "paradox" is the seemingly contradicting "growth" of ice (due to drift-ice packing together, as we know now) and melting of ice. That is all.



I know it is not going to fix anything, but people still tend to think relying on governments is the solution to everything. Science might yet solve it nonetheless.
This Global Warming nonesence is a deliberate scene to tax the crap out of people so a select few can get richer. The so called Man Made Global Warming is a Hoax. If there is warming, it's not caused by man, but a natural process cycle.
Fossil fuels is another manipulated Hoax to give people the illusion that we are running out of it oil. fossil fuels = Oil? LOL, Umm, no. Oil naturally occurs over time and eventually replenishes itself.


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So what are you a fucking psychic? I think it's too early to tell the exact cause(s) but the facts are clear that there IS warming over the last 30 years. Has not been a colder-than-average month the entire time and the ice at the poles is melting fast. You sure aren't looking at science based on that crap you just spewed. You're just a wackjob conspiracy theorist. And even if it wasn't specifically "fossil fuels", using less of that dirty, hard-to-find and process crap is better for everyone and every remaining species on the planet.

And no "select few" get rich at the expense of others quite like oil executives. So give me a damn break.
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What a crock. That "if you're 27 years old" crap about colder than average months is just that, crap. It's a new shocking meme to steer the masses, nothing more. I had no idea what the hell you were talking about, so I copy pasted "Has not been a colder-than-average month" straight from your post into google. The first nine posts are just what you are talking about, and none are older than three days. The tenth is from Ohio, titled "October recap: 3rd consecutive cooler-than-average month."
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