Question about Sandy Bridge vs Ivy Bridge, k version, overclocking and cooling

vawrvawerawe · Nov 18, 2012, 07:40 PM

From what I have ready, Ivy Bridge runs hotter, and you should not even consider overclocking without some serious cooling. Like, spend at very least a couple hundred of dollars on cooling.

So in this case, say you had a 3770K and you wanted to overclock. You would need to spend another say $300 on cooling or risk permanently damaging the card from overheating.

In the alternative scenario, consider Sandy Bridge. Since it runs cooler, you could safely overclock quite a bit with at most a $40 fan cooler like this: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Contin...

Now let's look at overall costs:

2600K: $320 (new) + $35 cooler
= $355 total

3770K: $320 (new) + $300 to $600 in cooling
= $620 to $920 total

Benchmarks rate the 3770K to perform somewhere around 3% to 7% better than the 2600K. But if these prices and analysis are correct, then by overclocking, the 2600K could way surpass the 3770K at the same cost, considering cooling.

So, for you experts, what do you think about this? Do you have anything to add or clarify?
Perhaps you can shed some light on this issue?

TheLaughingMan · Nov 18, 2012, 08:15 PM

The issue is your ridiculous and completely unbalance cooling requirements. With $300+ spend in cooling, you must be thinking custom loop and attempting to reach well over 5.0 GHz, both of which is completely unneeded for daily use and/or gaming.

On the flip side, the 2600K will not be overclocked very far with a $35 cooler of any kind and you will be limited to 4.4 GHz to maintain stability. So why are you shortchanging the 2600K?

The 3770K performance is more like 7% to 15% faster at the same clock speed to my knowledge. While it does run a bit hotter, keeping them in comparable temperature range, you will be spending like $75 on cooling, not $300. Is it worth the extra $40? Yes, yes it is.

AlienIsGOD · Nov 18, 2012, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vawrvawerawe

So in this case, say you had a 3770K and you wanted to overclock. You would need to spend another say $300 on cooling or risk permanently damaging the card from overheating.

i think your overheating

any $40-60 cooler can take a IB to 4.0 ghz with ease

Darkleoco · Nov 18, 2012, 08:24 PM

Just as a note a good motherboard will also make or break overclocking. I have a p67 sabertooth and the overclocking is rather subpar so if you don't spend good money on a motherboard don't expect any great overclocks.

vawrvawerawe · Nov 18, 2012, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLaughingMan

The issue is your ridiculous and completely unbalance cooling requirements. With $300+ spend in cooling, you must be thinking custom loop and attempting to reach well over 5.0 GHz, both of which is completely unneeded for daily use and/or gaming.

On the flip side, the 2600K will not be overclocked very far with a $35 cooler of any kind and you will be limited to 4.4 GHz to maintain stability. So why are you shortchanging the 2600K?

The 3770K performance is more like 7% to 15% faster at the same clock speed to my knowledge. While it does run a bit hotter, keeping them in comparable temperature range, you will be spending like $75 on cooling, not $300. Is it worth the extra $40? Yes, yes it is.

Ok, this directly answers my concerns.

As far as exaggerating the differences, it was for emphasis. But you understood what I was asking, and excellent answer.

Combine that with Sandy Bridge incompatibility with PCE-e (for ATI since NVIDIA released a patch for this), and the Ivy-bridge is still the winner.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkleoco

Just as a note a good motherboard will also make or break overclocking. I have a p67 sabertooth and the overclocking is rather subpar so if you don't spend good money on a motherboard don't expect any great overclocks.

I've got a z77 motherboard. Check my build thread for full details if you're interested.

erocker · Nov 18, 2012, 08:37 PM

You can see the difference (between 2.0 x16 and 3.0 x16) is minimal. 1-2%

vawrvawerawe · Nov 18, 2012, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by erocker

You can see the difference (between 2.0 x16 and 3.0 x16) is minimal. 1-2%

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Ivy_...es/perfrel.gif

88% to 96% = 8%? What am I missing?
Nevermind.

for the ATI card it is 2%

Thank you

p.s. I keep seeing those benchmarks (that look like that); what website can I run those benchmarks?

erocker · Nov 18, 2012, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vawrvawerawe

88% to 96% = 8%? What am I missing?
Nevermind.

for the ATI card it is 2%

Thank you

p.s. I keep seeing those benchmarks (that look like that); what website can I run those benchmarks?

Those graphs are made by W1zzard for reviews on this site. You can find reviews here: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/

repman244 · Nov 18, 2012, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vawrvawerawe

88% to 96% = 8%? What am I missing?

x4 x8 x16....

vawrvawerawe · Nov 18, 2012, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by repman244

x4 x8 x16....

No, I saw that. I was looking at the 680 not the 7970.

680 is 1-8%, but 7970 is 1-4%

repman244 · Nov 18, 2012, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vawrvawerawe

No, I saw that. I was looking at the 680 not the 7970.

680 is 8%, but 7970 is 2%

88% is at x4...compare PCI-e 3.0 x16 to PCI-e 2.0 x16 = 1%

erocker · Nov 18, 2012, 09:22 PM

1% difference:

vawrvawerawe · Nov 22, 2012, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erocker

1% difference:

http://img.techpowerup.org/121118/perfrel.jpg

Thanks. However, it's 1% difference only for the most expensive cards, though, which are not my cards.

Jack1n · Nov 23, 2012, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vawrvawerawe

Thanks. However, it's 1% difference only for the most expensive cards, though, which are not my cards.

The most expensive(powerful) cards require the most bandwidth, for slower cards the difference would smaller or there would be no difference between 8x to 16x at all.

INSTG8R · Nov 23, 2012, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkleoco

Just as a note a good motherboard will also make or break overclocking. I have a p67 sabertooth and the overclocking is rather subpar so if you don't spend good money on a motherboard don't expect any great overclocks.

Odd. I have had 2 and both have overclocked quite well. I mean I have never attempted any extreme OC but does 4.6 with little effort.

Jack1n · Nov 23, 2012, 08:49 AM

Sabertooth motherboard are high-end and should OC well,either you are missings a settings or two,or you got a bad cpu sample.

Jetster · Nov 23, 2012, 10:52 AM

I run my i5 2500k at 4.4 with a 212 evo. Prime hits 71c 3dmark11 hits 68c. I would still rather have a IB i5-3570K

cdawall · Nov 23, 2012, 06:37 PM

Yet again we have a thread started by vawrvawerawe which includes massive ridiculousness and a failure to comprehend a simple graph.

Buy a 3770K and buy an H60/70/80.

de.das.dude · Nov 23, 2012, 06:53 PM

How much time he still got left?

vawrvawerawe · Nov 23, 2012, 11:15 PM

dunno, still waiting on all the compenents

Jstn7477 · Nov 23, 2012, 11:22 PM

My 3770K is at 4.4GHz @ 1.185v on a Hyper 212 EVO and 2 Cougar 1200RPM fans in push-pull. Maximum temperature under IntelBurnTest is 90-92c on core 1 and the package after twisting the center bolt on the mounting bracket clockwise all the way. 4.5GHz is unstable even with 1.225v and 4.6 hangs at UEFI.

vawrvawerawe · Nov 23, 2012, 11:32 PM

I just did some googling, and found one guy who went extremely overboard LOL

cdawall · Nov 23, 2012, 11:39 PM

I would wager my setup could get lower temps and doesn't look like the bronze man pooped it out.

vawrvawerawe · Nov 23, 2012, 11:43 PM

I wish I could block you, cdawall

adulaamin · Nov 23, 2012, 11:43 PM

I've got a 3770k at 4.5 ghz, 1.23v... Cooled by a 212 EVO with Scythe GT AP-30s in push/pull... maxes out at 75C (10 passes of IBT)... $300 to cool a 3770k? With a custom loop maybe...

Nov 18, 2012, 07:40 PM	#1
vawrvawerawe Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 515 (2.34/day) Thanks: 281 Thanked 29 Times in 25 Posts	Question about Sandy Bridge vs Ivy Bridge, k version, overclocking and cooling From what I have ready, Ivy Bridge runs hotter, and you should not even consider overclocking without some serious cooling. Like, spend at very least a couple hundred of dollars on cooling. So in this case, say you had a 3770K and you wanted to overclock. You would need to spend another say $300 on cooling or risk permanently damaging the card from overheating. In the alternative scenario, consider Sandy Bridge. Since it runs cooler, you could safely overclock quite a bit with at most a $40 fan cooler like this: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Contin... Now let's look at overall costs: 2600K: $320 (new) + $35 cooler = $355 total 3770K: $320 (new) + $300 to $600 in cooling = $620 to $920 total Benchmarks rate the 3770K to perform somewhere around 3% to 7% better than the 2600K. But if these prices and analysis are correct, then by overclocking, the 2600K could way surpass the 3770K at the same cost, considering cooling. So, for you experts, what do you think about this? Do you have anything to add or clarify? Perhaps you can shed some light on this issue? __________________ MSI Z77A-G45 \| Sapphire HD 7950 3GB GDDR5 x2 CROSSFIRE \| Intel Core i7-3770K \| Patriot Viper 3 16GB 1866 CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX \| OCZ Agility 4 256GB SATAIII \| 10TB WD SATAIII HDDs \| Rosewill Challenger Case Last edited by vawrvawerawe; Nov 18, 2012 at 08:07 PM.

Nov 18, 2012, 08:15 PM	#2
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Nov 18, 2012, 08:24 PM	#4
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