Apple iMac Available on November 30th

[Frick]

Originally Posted by Depth

I love how you justify the price.

The price IS competitive, there's no way around that. if you're looking at that kind of monitor in that form factor (AIO). If you're looking at traditional desktops then yeah sure they're expensive, but for what they are they are not.

[Octavean]

Originally Posted by Frick

You can't seriously compare tablets with PC's (including Macs there). ARM is racing forward WAY WAY faster than traditional chipts, for good reason.

I can make such a comparison to point out the obvious. Ivy Bridge was available since ~March or ~April (OEMs likely get earlier access) and the iMac hasn’t yet been updated. The Mac Pro hasn’t been updated in a significant way in I don’t remember how long. The Mac Pro will presumably be updated in mid to late 2013 and probably still wont have Thunderbolt support if its based on Ivy Bridge-E.

All I am saying is its obvious that mobile devices are given precedence by Apple. That’s probably where they see or expect the money to be. I’m not judging, I’m just saying,….

The displays are made by another company (LG for example). Thunderbolt was made by Intel (when I was reading about LightPeak early on there was no mention of Apple so I question their contribution in this respect). Apple computers run on Intel processors. Apple iOS devices ultimately run on ARM processors regardless of the fact Apple designed them (or own some ARM stock). I don’t see anything special about Apple save for their OSes and their inane obsession with thinness.

Other manufacturers such as Dell, HP and so on would have had Ivy Bridge processors in their All-In-One and desktop systems 7 or so months ago. The display resolution of the 27” iMac is unchanged so I don’t see the point in getting excited by it unless you have a fixation with 2560x1440. Apple has been pushing “Retina” (marketing / pixel density) displays across its lineup so if anything it too is eventually due for an upgrade.

Apple is pushing what technology is out there but at a price and that doesn’t look like its going to change. The Retina displays (Mac Book Pro Retina) are pushing the video subsystem to their limits and the performances can show this.

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

not a single pc desktop manufacturer can come close to pushing those specs in a body like that. apple products are underpriced and that has been pushing down the price of pc desktops as well since they cannot compete.

That used to be true, but look at Dell and HP now and both have All-In-One form factors that are either slightly less powerful than the Apples for significantly less money, or very similar in power to the Apples for the same or slightly less money. And both have been offering the 3rd Generation Core processors for months, Apple is the one that is behind in that respect.

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

let's see a pc manufacturer push those specs in a case like that anytime soon...

HP's All-In-On with the 2.7GHz i5 starts at $600, but that is with integrated graphics, their All-In-One with a 2.8GHz i7 and a 1GB dedicated HD7450 is $1050, both with 23" screens.

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

That used to be true, but look at Dell and HP now and both have All-In-One form factors that are either slightly less powerful than the Apples for significantly less money, or very similar in power to the Apples for the same or slightly less money. And both have been offering the 3rd Generation Core processors for months, Apple is the one that is behind in that respect.




HP's All-In-On with the 2.7GHz i5 starts at $600, but that is with integrated graphics, their All-In-One with a 2.8GHz i7 and a 1GB dedicated HD7450 is $1050, both with 23" screens.

what? the HP all in one is much wider and bulkier than the imac. not to mention the build quality is terrible.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

what? the HP all in one is much wider and bulkier than the imac. not to mention the build quality is terrible.

I wouldn't be bragging about Apple build quality as of late. Im on my THIRD iMac from mobo, monitor and HD issues in the past two years. You know I'm no Apple hater either. Apples aint what they used to be IMO.

[repman244]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

what? the HP all in one is much wider and bulkier than the imac. not to mention the build quality is terrible.

HP Z1. Good build, UPGRADEABLE, you can use Xeons, ECC RAM, Workstation cards etc.

If you need a computer only for internet:
- Buy a separate monitor (quality monitor ~$600)
- ITX board with some APU, since it's so small you can put it behind your monitor
?????
Profit

With the iMac you basically pay >$500 just to save some space and that's about it. It does not give you the performance for any serious work and at the same time it costs way too much to use it for casual browsing.
Of course if you have lots of money and don't mind spending it, buy anything you want. But no one can deny the fact that paying that much justifies a 2mm thinner AiO, that takes 10cm of space less.

[3870x2]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

show me a desktop PC with those specs/dimensions and that kind of build quality.

lol? Ever tried to repair them? They are glued together. On the outside they might be pretty, i guess. If you are looking to put yourself on the side of the casuals you have done an excellent job.

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by repman244

HP Z1. Good build, UPGRADEABLE, you can use Xeons, ECC RAM, Workstation cards etc.

If you need a computer only for internet:
- Buy a separate monitor (quality monitor ~$600)
- ITX board with some APU, since it's so small you can put it behind your monitor
?????
Profit

With the iMac you basically pay >$500 just to save some space and that's about it. It does not give you the performance for any serious work and at the same time it costs way too much to use it for casual browsing.
Of course if you have lots of money and don't mind spending it, buy anything you want. But no one can deny the fact that paying that much justifies a 2mm thinner AiO, that takes 10cm of space less.

people like to save space. people like a nice design. people like OSX. not sure what the problem here is...

Originally Posted by 3870x2

lol? Ever tried to repair them? They are glued together. On the outside they might be pretty, i guess. If you are looking to put yourself on the side of the casuals you have done an excellent job.

you do not know that the vast majority of people do not play games on their computer? you do realize there is a large segment of the population that have money and enjoy spending it on neat designs and useful hardware. why is this bad? apple leads the way as sales figures show without a single doubt that the trend is to consumers wanting better build quality and sleeker design than processing power.

[repman244]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

people like to save space. people like a nice design. people like OSX. not sure what the problem here is...

You can save it with other cheaper ways (and like I said you will save a few cm but pay a lot), design is subjective but a lot of people buy it just for the logo.

My point was that there are other options where you have better hardware and features...

not a single pc desktop manufacturer can come close to pushing those specs in a body like that. apple products are underpriced and that has been pushing down the price of pc desktops as well since they cannot compete.

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by repman244

You can save it with other cheaper ways (and like I said you will save a few cm but pay a lot), design is subjective but a lot of people buy it just for the logo.

My point was that there are other options where you have better hardware and features...

but not design. why is this so hard for people to understand? right, this is tpu and we value function over form. but MOST people when it comes to computers, value form over function.

[Binge]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

show me a desktop PC with those specs/dimensions and that kind of build quality.



not a single pc desktop manufacturer can come close to pushing those specs in a body like that. apple products are underpriced and that has been pushing down the price of pc desktops as well since they cannot compete.



let's see a pc manufacturer push those specs in a case like that anytime soon...

Most pc manufacturers can't pay to be so anti-green. I won't say people buying PCs would be in the market for this format of machine. Seems like we're comparing apples and oranges

[repman244]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

but not design. why is this so hard for people to understand? right, this is tpu and we value function over form. but MOST people when it comes to computers, value form over function.

Like I said design is very subjective and I bet that if another company made something that looked better (it's hard to define what looks better since it's subjective but still) I doubt everyone would leave Apple just for that design.

My personal opinion is that it's just brand loyalty or being brainwashed (I'm not talking about everyone here, I'm sure there are people who have very good reasons for buying it which I think are far from the design reason).
It's just a high price to pay for an aluminium shell.

But this is just my view on this, I respect other opinions and decisions

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

what? the HP all in one is much wider and bulkier than the imac. not to mention the build quality is terrible.

Much wider and bulkier? The only reason the 23" version is wider is because it has a bigger screen than the 21" iMac, an even still it is only 2 inches wider, and it is only 1 inch deeper.

If you compare the 27" HP to the 27" iMac, they have identical widths, the HP is about 1/2" shorter and 1/3" deeper. Not a space savings worth writing home about, certainly not one worth paying over $800 more for.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

Much wider and bulkier? The only reason the 23" version is wider is because it has a bigger screen than the 21" iMac, an even still it is only 2 inches wider, and it is only 1 inch deeper.

If you compare the 27" HP to the 27" iMac, they have identical widths, the HP is about 1/2" shorter and 1/3" deeper. Not a space savings worth writing home about, certainly not one worth paying over $800 more for.

But it is an 800 dollar troll. I thought I taught you guys better then this.

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

Much wider and bulkier? The only reason the 23" version is wider is because it has a bigger screen than the 21" iMac, an even still it is only 2 inches wider, and it is only 1 inch deeper.

the HP is about 1/2" shorter and 1/3" deeper. Not a space savings worth writing home about, certainly not one worth paying over $800 more for.

tell that to the apple engineers and to the stock holders

[radrok]

Guys you are getting most likely trolled, sorry to say that.

[brandonwh64]

Originally Posted by radrok

Guys you are getting most likely trolled, sorry to say that.

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by radrok

Guys you are getting most likely trolled, sorry to say that.

no. most people on tpu simply do not get the appeal of apple products. that's because we generally like to build our own, do it cheap, and overclock it and brag about how cool we are to our zero real life friends.

[radrok]

Man, no offense, but your comment is so bitter you could create Campari by touching water.

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by radrok

Man, no offense, but your comment is so bitter you could create Campari by touching water.

lol i have no idea what that is

[NdMk2o1o]

Originally Posted by radrok

Excuse me?
The "cheapest" 27inch 2560x1440 starts at 1,799 USD, if you consider that mainstream then I'm sorry but you are just off.

No, excuse me, the Dell U2711 retails for £539 on Amazon, the Samsung SyncMaster S27A850D is less than £600 with offerings from HP and Viewsonic coming in at under £650 and I'm pretty sure you can find them even cheaper by shopping around

[brandonwh64]

I guess what easy is saying is that apple is like wine and PC's are like beer. Rich people prefer wines elegant looks and high class curves when the middle class people love a good beer over the wine but knowing sometimes a good beer would do the job better than the wine.

[radrok]

Originally Posted by NdMk2o1o

No, excuse me, the Dell U2711 retails for £539 on Amazon, the Samsung SyncMaster S27A850D is less than £600 with offerings from HP and Viewsonic coming in at under £650 and I'm pretty sure you can find them even cheaper by shopping around

I was talking about the iMacs prices. Look at the quote on that post.

[Frick]

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

I guess what easy is saying is that apple is like wine and PC's are like beer. Rich people prefer wines elegant looks and high class curves when the middle class people love a good beer over the wine but knowing sometimes a good beer would do the job better than the wine.

Horrible, HORRIBLE analogy.

[NdMk2o1o]

Originally Posted by radrok

I was talking about the iMacs prices. Look at the quote on that post.

My bad, you were