New to TPU - Advice on a new system I snagged for £300 - Page 2

TheMailMan78 · Nov 28, 2012, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ...PACMAN...

Its the only thing I'm buying initially, those other parts are just prospective upgrades that I would like the PSU to handle when the time comes and yes I realise the importance of the PSU.

What does low ripple mean mailman?

Thats a lot to go over. However low ripple means "steady" or "clean" power. High ripple means "rough" or "dirty" power. It leads to instability and degradation of components. All PC's are designed to take some ripple. Its not the end all. But its something that can be a real pain in the butt if you start OCing and such.........which you will if you stay on TPU.

Quote:

Originally Posted by XL-R8R

Post a link then, MM lol

For the choice of units on eBuyer, and his budget, not much comes close to the Corsair.

Besides, this unit doesn't have any noticeable problems with ripple, as you suggest.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Corsair/TX750M/

Quote: Ripple/noise suppression is very good on all rails, regardless the load and the operating temperature. Overall excellent performance here, which can easily compete with the Seasonic-made Corsair TX units.

Why "compete" when you can just buy a decent Seasonic?

XL-R8R · Nov 28, 2012, 10:04 PM

You still aren't posting a link to one from the sites hes said he can buy from...

Instead, why don't you give him some constructive help instead of complaining about the Corsairs "ripple issues" that aren't shown to be true?

Help the guy out.

TheMailMan78 · Nov 28, 2012, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XL-R8R

You still aren't posting a link to one from the sites hes said he can buy from...

Instead, why don't you give him some constructive help instead of complaining about the Corsairs "ripple issues" that aren't shown to be true?

Help the guy out.

Because I don't live in the UK. Don't know what he has near him.

Look for a Seasonic X series Gold.

XL-R8R · Nov 28, 2012, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ...PACMAN...

Any help would be much appreciated. Amazon UK or ebuyer would be my etailers of choice.

Pretty much sums it up.

Corsair unit still has my vote as nothing, for the price, comes close.

TheMailMan78 · Nov 28, 2012, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XL-R8R

Pretty much sums it up.

Corsair unit still has my vote as nothing, for the price, comes close.

Then he knows where to look for what I suggested.

...PACMAN... · Nov 28, 2012, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XL-R8R

Post a link then, MM lol

For the choice of units on eBuyer, and his budget, not much comes close to the Corsair.

Besides, this unit doesn't have any noticeable problems with ripple, as you suggest.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Corsair/TX750M/

Quote: Ripple/noise suppression is very good on all rails, regardless the load and the operating temperature. Overall excellent performance here, which can easily compete with the Seasonic-made Corsair TX units.

looks like we may have a winner

I have to wait a week until I can get it. Will be running the PC at stock and possibly undervolted until then lol. Wish me luck

I'll still post pics and benchies on Friday as it's all part of the fun

XL-R8R · Nov 28, 2012, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Then he knows where to look for what I suggested.

I somehow expected more from a 14000 post TPU regular.

You wont go far wrong with the Corsair unit, PACMAN, its very solid for the price you pay.... I'm struggling to beat it while continuing my search for a better unit in your price range.

TheMailMan78 · Nov 28, 2012, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ...PACMAN...

looks like we may have a winner

I have to wait a week until I can get it. Will be running the PC at stock and possibly undervolted until then lol. Wish me luck

I'll still post pics and benchies on Friday as it's all part of the fun

So your going to undervolt the system? Why?

PatoRodrigues · Nov 28, 2012, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

So your going to undervolt the system? Why?

+1

Any possible benefits from undervolting? I can't see one.

...PACMAN... · Nov 28, 2012, 10:13 PM

That will be fine and has a nice warranty. I appreciate everyones help....mailman, make peace not war

I'm undervolting whilst on the crappy PSU for a week. Can get the new PSU next Friday. Would that not reduce load on the sub par PSU?

XL-R8R · Nov 28, 2012, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PatoRodrigues

+1

Any possible benefits from undervolting? I can't see one.

I'll speculate by saying the possible reasons are somewhere along the following lines: heat and power usage.

Heat for obvious reasons (a lack of sufficient cooling/ventilation no doubt)

Electricity bills can be high in the winter and saving money is never a bad thing... if he plans on running his rig a lot, the savings will mount up in the end.

Could be totally wrong though lol

Edit: I am wrong!

TheMailMan78 · Nov 28, 2012, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ...PACMAN...

That will be fine and has a nice warranty. I appreciate everyones help....mailman, make peace not war

I'm undervolting whilst on the crappy PSU for a week. Can get the new PSU next Friday.

Dont do that. Do you know your way around a bios? You seem pretty green man. Take your time.

...PACMAN... · Nov 28, 2012, 10:18 PM

I know a few bits and can follow guides lol. Maybe I'll just leave it and try it as it comes....From what I gather it's alot of heat that can show up the poor PSUs as glue melts and trips other stuff. Its cold here in the UK so should be fine or a week.(He prays)

erocker · Nov 28, 2012, 10:19 PM

No need to undervolt with that system. Yeah, the PSU in there isn't the greatest but I'm sure it easily handles your system the way it is. Getting a new PSU first is a good choice though.

TheMailMan78 · Nov 28, 2012, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ...PACMAN...

I know a few bits and can follow guides lol. Maybe I'll just leave it and try it as it comes....From what I gather it's alot of heat that can show up the poor PSUs as glue melts and trips other stuff. Its cold here in the UK so should be fine or a week.(He prays)

Just leave it alone. Don't OC until you get the new PSU......even then TAKE YOUR TIME. As Erocker said you won't be peaking it out so you should be fine for a week.

...PACMAN... · Nov 28, 2012, 10:21 PM

OK cool....I'll let you guys know how it goes. How many different games will I be able to try out in a 50 hr period? Guess we will find out soon

TheMailMan78 · Nov 28, 2012, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ...PACMAN...

OK cool....I'll let you guys know how it goes. How many different games will I be able to try out in a 50 hr period? Guess we will find out soon

Next thread: OMG A VIRUS WIPED OUT MY OS! WHAT DO!

...PACMAN... · Nov 28, 2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Next thread: OMG A VIRUS WIPED OUT MY OS! WHAT DO!

I can see you're trouble

I'm sure MSE will suffice and these are genuine games not anything to do with skull & crossbones or glacier ordinance surveys (ice...o....hunt)

I want to support the platform not hinder it

TheMailMan78 · Nov 28, 2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ...PACMAN...

I can see you're trouble

I'm sure MSE will suffce and these are genuine games not anything to do with skull & crossbones or glacier ordinance surveys (ice...o....hunt)

I want to support the platform not hinder it

Ah ok. I'm starting to like you.

Pro tip: Mix MSE real time scanning with Malwarebytes passive scan. Those two together are like beer and steak. Just DO NOT RUN BOTH REAL TIME! Only MSE.

...PACMAN... · Nov 28, 2012, 10:41 PM

One last question, come friday I will have 2 monitors and the os is windows 8. If I connect 1 monitor via dvi and 1 monitor via hdmi to the gtx 660 will it show the 2 screens (ie Metro on one and desktop on the other) straight away or will I need to do something?

...PACMAN... · Dec 3, 2012, 12:23 PM

UPDATE -

Hi guys, I collected the system on Friday and have been testing/playing with it all weekend.

Bad Points

The PSU is really crappy, can only just about handle the system but low power on most rails (it's getting changed out for a corsair unit on Friday )

The cooler is not great but at least its not horrendously noisy

No top fan 200 fan in the case

System ran like crap on Windows 8 (probably some weird driver conflict)

Good Points
It runs on Windows 7 like a champ

It's running all my games really smoothly and the graphics just look amazing in comparison to what I had on Xbox 360

The monitor is nice and gives real sharp, ghost free image

It came with a Fallout 3 bobblehead and a hitman statuette (Yay

)

I think it's going to be a good clocking chip, I had it stable on prime at 4.7Ghz 1.36v for 2 hrs....just temps letting me down because of the cooler and worried about PSU

Motherboard is updated to latest bios and is Vishera ready, Bios is really nice and quick

I am in gaming heaven

Graphics card is dead silent, even in Crysis with 8xAA 1080p and BF3 Ultra 4xAA. Haven't tried ocing it yet, haven't needed to

brandonwh64 · Dec 3, 2012, 12:42 PM

The Arctic Freezer Rev 2.0 is a junk cooler. I have owned two from previous builds and they could never keep anything cool. Get a Hyper 212+ evo or maybe a AIO Water unit if you can afford it.

...PACMAN... · Dec 3, 2012, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

The Arctic Freezer Rev 2.0 is a junk cooler. I have owned two from previous builds and they could never keep anything cool. Get a Hyper 212+ evo or maybe a AIO Water unit if you can afford it.

I will be getting an h100 or h80, this chip will utilize them I feel. But first I must get a decent PSU. Don't want to deny this thing the power it needs, especially if I go to an 8 core eventually.

I honestly feel with a good PSU and good cooling this chip will easily get to 5GHz. It's fast enough now so I'm really looking forward to pushing it

RCoon · Dec 3, 2012, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ...PACMAN...

UPDATE -

Hi guys, I collected the system on Friday and have been testing/playing with it all weekend.

Bad Points

The PSU is really crappy, can only just about handle the system but low power on most rails (it's getting changed out for a corsair unit on Friday )

The cooler is not great but at least its not horrendously noisy

No top fan 200 fan in the case

System ran like crap on Windows 8 (probably some weird driver conflict)

Good Points
It runs on Windows 7 like a champ

It's running all my games really smoothly and the graphics just look amazing in comparison to what I had on Xbox 360

The monitor is nice and gives real sharp, ghost free image

It came with a Fallout 3 bobblehead and a hitman statuette (Yay

)

I think it's going to be a good clocking chip, I had it stable on prime at 4.7Ghz 1.36v for 2 hrs....just temps letting me down because of the cooler and worried about PSU

Motherboard is updated to latest bios and is Vishera ready, Bios is really nice and quick

I am in gaming heaven

Graphics card is dead silent, even in Crysis with 8xAA 1080p and BF3 Ultra 4xAA. Haven't tried ocing it yet, haven't needed to

PSU Sounds like a bummer, but all in all it sounds pretty sweet for £300 man, nice work and hope the PSU does you proud when it comes to it, those chips can OC nicely once you get a good aftermarket cooler. Sounds like you dont actually need to do a great deal to fulfill your needs, just keep her well fed on watts and nicely cooled

TheMailMan78 · Dec 3, 2012, 12:50 PM

I don't see a reason to overclock anymore honestly unless you are folding or something.

@Pacman are you gonna play BF3?

System Name:	The Mailbox 3.5
Processor:	Intel i7 2600k @ 3.8GHz
Motherboard:	ASUS Maximus IV Gene-Z
Cooling:	Stock
Memory:	G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB DDR3 1866: 9-9-9-24
Video Card:	EVGA GTX670 "FTW" Edition @ 1006MHz
Hard Disk:	256gb M4 SSD, 500Gb WD (7200)
Optical Drive:	LG - 24x Double-Layer DVD±RW/CD-RW Drive
CRT/LCD Model:	24" ASUS 1920 x 1080
Case:	Cooler Master 922 HAF
Sound Card:	SupremeFX X-Fi 2 with Bose Companion 2 speakers.
PSU:	SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold
Software:	Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center 64bit
Benchmarks:	Benching is for bitches.

Processor:	Intel i5 3570K @ 4.6GHz (1.290v BIOS + Still going...)
Motherboard:	ASRock Z77E-ITX
Cooling:	Corsair H40 (Push/Pull) + Arctic Cooling MX-2
Memory:	2x4GB Crucial Ballistix Tactical 1866mhz @ 2000MHz 9-9-9-24 2T (1.65v BIOS.. NEED MOAR MEGAHURTZ!)
Video Card:	MSI TwinFrozr GTX660 2GB @ Testing
Hard Disk:	Kingston 3K 120GB SSD + Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB
Optical Drive:	NONE
CRT/LCD Model:	Iiyama Prolite X2377HDS 23" IPS
Case:	Fractal Design Node 304 (Modded)
Sound Card:	NONE (Damn Mini-ITX!)
PSU:	Corsair VX450W (Modded)
Software:	Windoze 7 Professional SP1 (64-bit & LEGIT!)
Benchmarks:	Denon AVR 2113 + Cerwin Vega AT100 + Cerwin Vega AT12SW / Sony MDR-XB700 & FiiO E5

System Name:	The Mailbox 3.5
Processor:	Intel i7 2600k @ 3.8GHz
Motherboard:	ASUS Maximus IV Gene-Z
Cooling:	Stock
Memory:	G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB DDR3 1866: 9-9-9-24
Video Card:	EVGA GTX670 "FTW" Edition @ 1006MHz
Hard Disk:	256gb M4 SSD, 500Gb WD (7200)
Optical Drive:	LG - 24x Double-Layer DVD±RW/CD-RW Drive
CRT/LCD Model:	24" ASUS 1920 x 1080
Case:	Cooler Master 922 HAF
Sound Card:	SupremeFX X-Fi 2 with Bose Companion 2 speakers.
PSU:	SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold
Software:	Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center 64bit
Benchmarks:	Benching is for bitches.

Processor:	Intel i5 3570K @ 4.6GHz (1.290v BIOS + Still going...)
Motherboard:	ASRock Z77E-ITX
Cooling:	Corsair H40 (Push/Pull) + Arctic Cooling MX-2
Memory:	2x4GB Crucial Ballistix Tactical 1866mhz @ 2000MHz 9-9-9-24 2T (1.65v BIOS.. NEED MOAR MEGAHURTZ!)
Video Card:	MSI TwinFrozr GTX660 2GB @ Testing
Hard Disk:	Kingston 3K 120GB SSD + Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB
Optical Drive:	NONE
CRT/LCD Model:	Iiyama Prolite X2377HDS 23" IPS
Case:	Fractal Design Node 304 (Modded)
Sound Card:	NONE (Damn Mini-ITX!)
PSU:	Corsair VX450W (Modded)
Software:	Windoze 7 Professional SP1 (64-bit & LEGIT!)
Benchmarks:	Denon AVR 2113 + Cerwin Vega AT100 + Cerwin Vega AT12SW / Sony MDR-XB700 & FiiO E5

System Name:	The Mailbox 3.5
Processor:	Intel i7 2600k @ 3.8GHz
Motherboard:	ASUS Maximus IV Gene-Z
Cooling:	Stock
Memory:	G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB DDR3 1866: 9-9-9-24
Video Card:	EVGA GTX670 "FTW" Edition @ 1006MHz
Hard Disk:	256gb M4 SSD, 500Gb WD (7200)
Optical Drive:	LG - 24x Double-Layer DVD±RW/CD-RW Drive
CRT/LCD Model:	24" ASUS 1920 x 1080
Case:	Cooler Master 922 HAF
Sound Card:	SupremeFX X-Fi 2 with Bose Companion 2 speakers.
PSU:	SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold
Software:	Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center 64bit
Benchmarks:	Benching is for bitches.

Nov 28, 2012, 10:04 PM	#27
XL-R8R Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Great, Cold North Posts: 125 (0.66/day) Thanks: 34 Thanked 55 Times in 35 Posts System Specs	You still aren't posting a link to one from the sites hes said he can buy from... Instead, why don't you give him some constructive help instead of complaining about the Corsairs "ripple issues" that aren't shown to be true? Help the guy out.

System Name:	Turtle
Processor:	Intel Core 2 Duo @ 2.66GHz
Motherboard:	Intel 82945G Express Chipset Family
Cooling:	Stock
Memory:	Patriot 3GB DDR2
Video Card:	GeForce 210
Hard Disk:	Western Digital WD Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s
Optical Drive:	Samsung Super Write Master
CRT/LCD Model:	Samsung SyncMaster T24A550
PSU:	500W
Benchmarks:	5 3DMark03

Nov 28, 2012, 10:13 PM	#35
...PACMAN... Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 140 (0.79/day) Thanks: 228 Thanked 38 Times in 29 Posts System Specs	That will be fine and has a nice warranty. I appreciate everyones help....mailman, make peace not war I'm undervolting whilst on the crappy PSU for a week. Can get the new PSU next Friday. Would that not reduce load on the sub par PSU?

Nov 28, 2012, 10:18 PM	#38
...PACMAN... Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 140 (0.79/day) Thanks: 228 Thanked 38 Times in 29 Posts System Specs	I know a few bits and can follow guides lol. Maybe I'll just leave it and try it as it comes....From what I gather it's alot of heat that can show up the poor PSUs as glue melts and trips other stuff. Its cold here in the UK so should be fine or a week.(He prays)

Nov 28, 2012, 10:19 PM	#39
erocker Senior Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI. Posts: 31,880 (12.77/day) Thanks: 2,779 Thanked 12,252 Times in 7,805 Posts System Specs	No need to undervolt with that system. Yeah, the PSU in there isn't the greatest but I'm sure it easily handles your system the way it is. Getting a new PSU first is a good choice though.

Processor:	Intel i7 3770K @ 4.6ghz 1.256v
Motherboard:	Asus Maximus V Formula
Cooling:	Water
Memory:	2x4gb Patriot Viper 2133mhz 10-11-10-25 2T 1.55v
Video Card:	Sapphire HD 7970 1125/1575 1.14v
Hard Disk:	Crucial M4 128Gb / Corsair Force 3 120Gb / Samsung 240Gb / 2Tb Seagate
Optical Drive:	None
CRT/LCD Model:	Acheiva Shimian 27" IPS 2560x1440
Case:	Corsair 500R White
Sound Card:	Onboard
PSU:	NZXT Hale90 1Kw
Software:	Windows 8 x64

Nov 28, 2012, 10:21 PM	#41
...PACMAN... Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 140 (0.79/day) Thanks: 228 Thanked 38 Times in 29 Posts System Specs	OK cool....I'll let you guys know how it goes. How many different games will I be able to try out in a 50 hr period? Guess we will find out soon

Nov 28, 2012, 10:41 PM	#45
...PACMAN... Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 140 (0.79/day) Thanks: 228 Thanked 38 Times in 29 Posts System Specs	One last question, come friday I will have 2 monitors and the os is windows 8. If I connect 1 monitor via dvi and 1 monitor via hdmi to the gtx 660 will it show the 2 screens (ie Metro on one and desktop on the other) straight away or will I need to do something?

Dec 3, 2012, 12:23 PM	#46
...PACMAN... Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 140 (0.79/day) Thanks: 228 Thanked 38 Times in 29 Posts System Specs	UPDATE - Hi guys, I collected the system on Friday and have been testing/playing with it all weekend. Bad Points The PSU is really crappy, can only just about handle the system but low power on most rails (it's getting changed out for a corsair unit on Friday ) The cooler is not great but at least its not horrendously noisy No top fan 200 fan in the case System ran like crap on Windows 8 (probably some weird driver conflict) Good Points It runs on Windows 7 like a champ It's running all my games really smoothly and the graphics just look amazing in comparison to what I had on Xbox 360 The monitor is nice and gives real sharp, ghost free image It came with a Fallout 3 bobblehead and a hitman statuette (Yay ) I think it's going to be a good clocking chip, I had it stable on prime at 4.7Ghz 1.36v for 2 hrs....just temps letting me down because of the cooler and worried about PSU Motherboard is updated to latest bios and is Vishera ready, Bios is really nice and quick I am in gaming heaven Graphics card is dead silent, even in Crysis with 8xAA 1080p and BF3 Ultra 4xAA. Haven't tried ocing it yet, haven't needed to

Dec 3, 2012, 12:42 PM	#47
brandonwh64 Addicted to Bacon and StarCrunches!!! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Chatsworth, GA Posts: 13,560 (10.04/day) Thanks: 2,138 Thanked 5,338 Times in 3,695 Posts System Specs	The Arctic Freezer Rev 2.0 is a junk cooler. I have owned two from previous builds and they could never keep anything cool. Get a Hyper 212+ evo or maybe a AIO Water unit if you can afford it. __________________ Cruncher's: All GPU's GPU's: 7970 3GB Unlocked = 8 Threads 5770 1GB OCed = 2 Threads

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PSU:	Corsair 750TX
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PSU:	Corsair HX1050 Gold - OCZ ZS 650w Bronze - OCZ ZS 650w Bronze
Software:	Win 7 Ultimate 64 - Win 7 Ultimate 64 - Win 7 Ultimate 64

Dec 3, 2012, 12:50 PM	#50
TheMailMan78 Banstick Dummy Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Crystal River, FL Posts: 15,109 (6.94/day) Thanks: 1,337 Thanked 6,829 Times in 3,739 Posts System Specs	I don't see a reason to overclock anymore honestly unless you are folding or something. @Pacman are you gonna play BF3?

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