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View Poll Results: Releasing a beta driver via a "stable" channel with auto-updater is..
Unacceptable 31 38.27%
Ok if it fixes an urgent issue (Far Cry 3) 21 25.93%
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Old Dec 4, 2012, 03:49 PM   #26
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Did you update Bta? I have a feeling you did by mistake.
Yes, that's how I got the dxdiag screenshot.
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Yes, that's how I got the dxdiag screenshot.
Figured as much. Are you gonna roll back or let em ride? I would just let em ride and reinstall them when the are WQHL if I were you.

EDIT: If you go the the NVIDIA website they say they are "Certified".

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I don't really care, brings big changes and can only help things. If there are any crashes then I'll definitely revert back, but Beta or WHQL tags don't mean anything to me. They are all equally "dangerous".
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honestly i don't care much about the driver being WHQL or beta because from my personal experience even WHQL one can have problem. remember 301.24?
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I agree, on both sides of the fence ATI and Nvidia had equal problems with beta and WHQL. If it says I should have a performance increase I'll give it a shot.
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Do I just uninstall my current drivers, reboot and install these? Excuse my ignorance, I'm new to all this
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Do I just uninstall my current drivers, reboot and install these? Excuse my ignorance, I'm new to all this
Nope. Just run the installer and when you do select "clean install" and that will replace everything including the registry entries.

Edit: Just so you know these are not WHQL drivers. These are betas. Keep that in mind.

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now labelled as beta

http://www.nvidia.com/object/win8-wi...70-driver.html
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When you go to nvidia.com, drivers, and search for it it's still not marked as beta: http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/53752
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When you go to nvidia.com, drivers, and search for it it's still not marked as beta: http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/53752


They are not WHQL it seems, but they are beyond beta.
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Old Dec 4, 2012, 06:33 PM   #37
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Already on them, fine by me. I always install latest drivers be it WHQL, BETA or any other, I even go as far as using the once with modified inf specific to particular cards and the drivers always work very well even with the modified inf.
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Wow, I downloaded them in the morning, went out, I just got home and I see what's going on here. I did not see that one coming. So do I install them now or not>? I am on 306.97. I guess it doesn't matter that much- my card is 630M, so they don't say anything about it, except for the new version of the PhysiX software and some ambient occlusion profiles. Whatever

Addon: As I watch the POll, most people don't have a problem with this practice. The 2nd and the 3rd answer pretty much mean we are OK with it.
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They've also had great beta drivers and disastrous whql drivers ... the label means little, except for certain environments where on whql is "allowed". Whql is just an approved beta driver.
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These are not WHQL?? I was all ready to get them.. damn..

I've been waiting for WHQL for a reason, and Nvidia tries sneaking BETA's through as certified.. uuughhh//
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When you go to nvidia.com, drivers, and search for it it's still not marked as beta: http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/53752
They are now.

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this driver version is so LOL for me..
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Small update. NVIDIA has since removed them from the auto updater in the application.
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To add to that, unsuspecting people with WHQL drivers are being prompted to update to a beta (by definition unstable) drivers by NV Update. NVIDIA is deliberately pushing unstable software by polluting its stable release channel.
Beta does not mean unstable by definition. Beta means nothing more than a feature complete version that isn't considered a full release version. Furthermore this would be considered a "Release Candidate", which is still a Beta, but considered the final version unless a significant bug is found. In this case it just means it isn't WHQL certified.

There have been Betas that were more stable than WHQL releases, and vice versa. WHQL is nothing more than an idiotic label. It is made even more idiotic when you realize that nVidia does their own WHQL testing on their drivers(so they basically already know it passed). They just submit the logs to Microsoft for final approval, which takes time, and probably why nVidia pushed this driver out before it was WHQL certified, because they wanted it out with FarCry 3, and they haven't gotten a response from Microsoft yet.

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Nope. Just run the installer and when you do select "clean install" and that will replace everything including the registry entries.
Clean install doesn't replace every registry entry, all it does is delete the different profiles you have setup in the control panel for different games.

At this point I just install the drivers over the old ones, their drivers do a great job of not stepping on toes.
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Beta does not mean unstable by definition. Beta means nothing more than a feature complete version that isn't considered a full release version. Furthermore this would be considered a "Release Candidate", which is still a Beta, but considered the final version unless a significant bug is found. In this case it just means it isn't WHQL certified.

There have been Betas that were more stable than WHQL releases, and vice versa. WHQL is nothing more than an idiotic label. It is made even more idiotic when you realize that nVidia does their own WHQL testing on their drivers(so they basically already know it passed). They just submit the logs to Microsoft for final approval, which takes time, and probably why nVidia pushed this driver out before it was WHQL certified, because they wanted it out with FarCry 3, and they haven't gotten a response from Microsoft yet.



Clean install doesn't replace every registry entry, all it does is delete the different profiles you have setup in the control panel for different games.

At this point I just install the drivers over the old ones, their drivers do a great job of not stepping on toes
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Nope, Wrong. Go watch the video on how it works on the nvdia site.
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Installed and so far seem fine on everything apart from FIFA 13 which now CTD when loading. Will check more to see if it is just an issue my end. BF3 had about a 2-3fps increase in single player, I haven't even played multiplayer yet so couldn't comment.
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It's beta now but the fact that nvidia had put up the driver as WHQL still remain evident. It is a basic business ethic and nVIDIA failed to show that for couple of times. Overall increase in performance is still welcome though.

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Nope, Wrong. Go watch the video on how it works on the nvdia site.
I'm not sure what video you are talking about, but I've monitored the driver install, it doesn't delete all the registry values, it only deletes the values related to nview settings. The rest are overwritten like a standard driver install.

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It's beta now but the fact that nvidia had put up the driver as WHQL still remain evident. It is a basic business ethic and nVIDIA failed to show that for couple of times. Over increase in performance is still welcome though.
They never labelled it as a WHQL driver. The closest they got was calling it a WHQL-Release Candidate in their blog post. And just because it shows up in the updater doesn't mean it is WHQL either, you find that the updater makes no mention that every driver it suggests will be WHQL. There is a checkbox to include/exclude beta drivers, but when this driver was originally released they obviously didn't consider it a Beta.
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