What's wrong with our forum moderator staff?

[newtekie1]

Well the whole idea behind voting is that people are allowed to express their opinion. If the thread is good enough there will be enough people rating it as such. Honestly, most people could care less about the voting on a thread.

I would like to add that it would really help around here if there was a way for everyone to see that a message caused someone to recieve punishment. This would serve to purposes.
1.) It would avoid issues where one user insults another, and even though they were punished for it, it seems like nothing was done, so the insulted user assumes nothing was done and retaliates.
2.) It would serve to lead by example. If people start seeing the conciquences of others actions they will be less likely to perform those actions themselve.

I have seen this done a few different ways in different forums. One way is to just have the moderators add a note to every message they hand out infractions/warnings/bans saying what action was taken and why. Another way is to simply allow the other users see the little red and yellow markers that are placed by each message, so they know some action was taken. Obviously one method will lead to slightly more work for the moderators, and the other will be slightly less effective as it doesn't say why action was taken. Perhaps an automated system can be put in place that does this, it probably won't be too hard to implement and I think it would lead to a better community.

Originally Posted by zekrahminator

Newtekie, this is some very high-quality stuff, you should become a lawyer someday .

Thanks.

Originally Posted by pt

anyone talked to w1z about this?
i surely would

I have talked to W1z a few times about Dippy, mainly just fowarding him conversation I have had with both Zek and Thermo about him. I have not addressed this issue directly. In fact I have given up completely on getting W1z to take any action against Dippy as it seems W1z either simply doesn't care(my guess) or Dippy has done something so extremely good for W1z that makes him some kind of God in the eyes of W1z.

It is kind of sad that I pretty much can't post at all in the Linux / BSD / Mac OS X forum, as I have over 12 years experience with both Linux and Mac OS, and I am sure I could provide some very useful knowledge and help to people there, but dippy makes it almost impossible for me(and others) to post anything there.

[tkpenalty]

What do you say about people five starring everythread then one starring my clubhouse?

EDIT: I know who's doing it, rick22 is; he hates my club and X1950PROs.

[sneekypeet]

no offense tk but I think your putting alot of faith in the fact that Rick has any idea on how to do that....Personally I know the guy....yea he flames a bit ......he does know SLI really well......but i dont think he's capable of what you're thinking with ratings...lol

[ex_reven]

perhaps, [in regards to posts being reported for abuse/flaming etc]...

instead of one moderater being permitted to ban that member, it should require a general concensus between 3 or more mods (maybe two would be more reasonable, depending on how many mods are available at any one time)

THAT, or you could hold a "do you think we should ban 'this person' " poll

[sneekypeet]

I think the poll would be a great idea as long as I dont end up on that vote.

And as for rick22 , fellas I think we may have settled him down a bit and relaxed his ways of speeking to other members....give it some time boys he is actually trying to be descent!

[Jimmy 2004]

Originally Posted by ex_reven

instead of one moderater being permitted to ban that member, it should require a general concensus between 3 or more mods (maybe two would be more reasonable, depending on how many mods are available at any one time)

Quite a few of the bans do get discussed by the mods - if someone is obviously in the wrong, then I think most of the mods will give out infractions/ a shot ban. But if there is something when one of the mods isn't sure what to do, they have a discussion to decide on what's best. Normally if you speak to the mods and explain your case they will listen - even if that means going to a mod other than the one that banned you just so they can put in a good word.

If you ever think you have been treated unfairly, it's probably best to talk to one of the supermods which can be found here.

[ex_reven]

theres a mod called memory database???

awesome

[jpierce55]

I am only on here so-so but looks like a really great and polite forum to me. I don't go to HardOcp anymore.

[DanTheBanjoman]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

And in fact some feel that trolling is actually acceptable, as is insulting other users(danthebanjoman does this a lot, especially if you show any signs of disagreeing with his points, he would rather just insult a person than actually arguing the points at hand).

If you make such claims I would suggest you back this up. And "does this a lot" doesn't mean a single incident would suffice.
Please name me a few examples.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by DanTheBanjoman

If you make such claims I would suggest you back this up. And "does this a lot" doesn't mean a single incident would suffice.
Please name me a few examples.

well no offense dan but the threads about AMD vs intel you tend to argue to bit of extreme and occasionally if you feel your point is correct you just try to disprove all other by any means neccasary

[DanTheBanjoman]

Originally Posted by cdawall

well no offense dan but the threads about AMD vs intel you tend to argue to bit of extreme and occasionally if you feel your point is correct you just try to disprove all other by any means neccasary

Yes, that would get you somewhere in court, obviously I asked for exact links, not vague examples. If someone feels he has to accuse me of insulting people because I'm wrong all the time I would love to see this backed up. If the person cannot do this I think I should consider it a random personal insult towards me. Which would be funny because that's the thing he accused me of. Therefor I expect some really good examples so I can stand corrected.

[cdawall]

here is one wthoough not a very bad one
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=23769

this one on the other hand you insult ashensugar this post in fact
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showth...highlight=xeon

Originally Posted by DanTheBanjoman

Well, I would bet it would be called a "fake" CPU in Disneyland. In adultland it's actually advanced technology to use idle parts of the CPU to execute a second thread.

[DanTheBanjoman]

Originally Posted by cdawall

here is one wthoough not a very bad one
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=23769

I don't see any problem there? Whom did I insult and with what?

Originally Posted by cdawall

this one on the other hand you insult ashensugar this post in fact
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showth...highlight=xeon

How is that an insult? I simply state that there is nothing "fake" about it.
At the time of that thread there were several threads in which Ashen repeatedly showed his love towards AMD. He repeatedly "insults" Intel using words like "Nutburst" and basically just mocks any Intel related tech/product. So when he started with "fake" CPU the response included my comment to him that he shouldn't mock Intel non stop if he wanted me to take it serious. So if you feel "adultland" implies that I called him a little kid, feel free, it was not random though and had nothing to do with me being wrong (or right) so newtekies accusation still remains unproven.


Curiosity: Why do you use Xeon as search word?

[iggy1981]

I can't say I have any complaints. I normally just read posts. I will say, I think the threads are great, everyone here is quick to help out with problems.


*EDIT*

I can think of one, but it's not a complaint.

I posted something for sell with out reading the rules first. The mod. gave me the link, I fixed the post and everything was good. So IMO, I think the mods. do a great job.

[Pinchy]

I reckon this forum is A-OK.

I admit, sometimes i go a lil off topic, but i always try to bring it back onto topic....and i always make sure the original qn is answered

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by DanTheBanjoman

If you make such claims I would suggest you back this up. And "does this a lot" doesn't mean a single incident would suffice.
Please name me a few examples.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=221288

"You crack me up my little buddy." I don't care if he started the little spat or not, you don't have to participate, and you certainly don't have to do it in such a childish way. You are a mod, be a damn example, we don't need that childish bull crap around here and we certainly don't need it coming from a mod.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=267103

Coming right out and calling what someone says is bullshit? Odd, I still have a 3 month infraction sitting on my account for doing exactly that.

There is another one I can't seem to find where you called what someone posted(a link) bullshit, I actually finally reported this one, and W1z actually contacted me about it and told me he talked to you and told you to be more careful in the future, which I assume is why I can't seem to find it as you or him probably editted it to remove the blatent insult.

Also, I would consider you throwing an insult just ONCE "a lot". You are a mod, you should be held to a higher standard than the other users around here. Breaking a rule once, especially one like insulting other board users, is a lot for a mod. Lead by example.

[Jimmy 2004]

Let's try to remember that this thread was originally intended to let people express any problems they have with the site, not a place to argue about who's right and wrong... criticism is fair enough (but it does need to be justified with examples). I personally can't see anything contructive coming out of the most recent posts - this section of the forums is surely just for comments and feedback as the name would suggest, is there much to gain from the current discussion?

Edit: is this thread slowly turning into Dan bashing?

[pt]

not to throw another ash in the fire but a super mod (he is one) should even be a better example

[DanTheBanjoman]

Originally Posted by y eye

I am a new member and I have already had a post deleted. I did not like it because I was not given a warning or a chance to edit or delete myself. The post was in the general bs slot and I was singing the old Coasters song "take out the garbage and the trash or you don't get no friendly cash yakity yak ...yakity yak", kinda hard to figure the delete. I have been ripped off for a post by members and I will email the names. So what... noone has been able to bomb my post, a few have tried. Pretty lame really. I believe that the above is normal and part of breaking out except for the ripoff. This is the first forum where I have seen a rip .

Most threads are clean and it is a joy to read and be a part of them. If necessary you should bust some heads. They will smarten up if given a chance.
.y

You have had several threads deleted actually and have had warnings from several mods which explained the problems. If you don't understand the mods decision i would recommend actually replying to the warning.

[AshenSugar]

Dan, hes had more locked since he made that post, he reposts stuff over and over, the last time the title was even the same, hes just asking for a long term ban.......i know if i did what hes done i would have gotten booted for sure

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by Jimmy 2004

Let's try to remember that this thread was originally intended to let people express any problems they have with the site, not a place to argue about who's right and wrong... criticism is fair enough (but it does need to be justified with examples). I personally can't see anything contructive coming out of the most recent posts - this section of the forums is surely just for comments and feedback as the name would suggest, is there much to gain from the current discussion?

Edit: is this thread slowly turning into Dan bashing?

No bashing of Dan, just saying what I see and the problems I have with it. He is a good mod, but gets out of hand sometimes, and sometimes forgets the rules himself, which brings me back to the double standards on this site. Some of the things he does would lead to infractions if he wasn't a mod. I said he can be insulting and he asked for examples, I gave them. He gets overly hostile very quickly whenever someone disagrees with him or critizes him(he did it in this thread) he is pretty blunt when in discussions which comes off as hostile most of the time. I'm not going to get in an argument over it, the discussion as far as I am concerned is over.

[Tatty_One]

If I may, going back to WiZZards origional thread "opener":

"Please post all your _constructive_ comments here, no fighting/drama. Also ideas how to resolve such conflicts are welcome. I am taking this very seriously"

As I mentioned before, I only ever witness problems between Mods and Members when it becomes "personal", we have all got reason somewhere to moan and gripe at times, some more so than others but IMO for what it's worth, there are some damn good suggestions for improvements to the site/forums so please keep them coming as the majority think its a damn good site and with a few minor "tweaks" it could be an outstanding one.

It would be nice if we could get some feedback from Wiz or the Mods on their views regarding our suggestions.

[DanTheBanjoman]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=221288

"You crack me up my little buddy." I don't care if he started the little spat or not, you don't have to participate, and you certainly don't have to do it in such a childish way. You are a mod, be a damn example, we don't need that childish bull crap around here and we certainly don't need it coming from a mod.

He said "it makes me laugh", "you crack me up little buddy" means exactly the same thing, it's a quote from Sam and Max (know your classics). I don't see the offense here. Nor do I find "it makes me laugh" offensive in anyway, before you start about that. Nobody there had a problem, besides you apparently.

Originally Posted by newtekie1

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=267103

Coming right out and calling what someone says is bullshit? Odd, I still have a 3 month infraction sitting on my account for doing exactly that.

When someone capitalizes words like DOMINATES I wouldn't say the word bullshit and an argumentation are something offensive. He uses a strong word and capitalized it to make it sound extra strong. "bullshit" was used in exactly the same way.

Though I would like to thank you here for pointing out your own issue, you assault me here because you got an infraction for something you feel is similar.

Originally Posted by newtekie1

There is another one I can't seem to find where you called what someone posted(a link) bullshit, I actually finally reported this one, and W1z actually contacted me about it and told me he talked to you and told you to be more careful in the future, which I assume is why I can't seem to find it as you or him probably editted it to remove the blatent insult.

I know which you mean, which again was far from insulting someone because I was wrong, in fact, I never said anything before that, so how was I wrong? And about what?

Originally Posted by newtekie1

Also, I would consider you throwing an insult just ONCE "a lot". You are a mod, you should be held to a higher standard than the other users around here. Breaking a rule once, especially one like insulting other board users, is a lot for a mod. Lead by example.

So you're saying mods should be threated differently? However you do complain when I don't get an infraction and you do. So what is it? Should mods be threated differently or not?


Long story short, you are offended by the use of poop, which is far from random because I always give arguments. You hereby conclude that I personally attack people for no reason because I am wrong even though both "bullshit" cases were my initial responses. Does this not make you a hypocrit since you're the one insulting me? You disagree with me? Do it without calling me childish and what I do bull crap (crap is less offensive than shit, kudos to you).

Now, show me an actual example of me actually insulting a person, and not disagreeing with someones statement/opinion and using the word bullshit which insults you more than the person I'm replying to.


And finally tell me, which is more offensive:
-the word bullshit+argument
-"You are a mod, be a damn example, we don't need that childish bull crap around here and we certainly don't need it coming from a mod."

Better yet, make some work out of your personal sensitivity. Write down all offensive words you can find on the net and say if they can or can not be said and in what circumstances (whoops I said cum, sue me).

[zekrahminator]

Let's not make a mountain out of a mole-hill.

Dan, they're saying you're edgy. You are a supermod. They will have to deal with it.

Guys. Supermods are just like you and me- they like to have fun. Dan's way of having fun is a bit different from ours. Deal with it.

[DanTheBanjoman]

Originally Posted by zekrahminator

Let's not make a mountain out of a mole-hill.

Dan, they're saying you're edgy. You are a supermod. They will have to deal with it.

Guys. Supermods are just like you and me- they like to have fun. Dan's way of having fun is a bit different from ours. Deal with it.

The purpose of this thread is to find out what is wrong on the forums (which obviously isn't much), W1zzard considers the things that are written here. Now if people use this oppertunity to claim things that are donkeypoo and personal I do not consider it a mole hill.

If they then come with examples that do in no way back up the claims they make I would say this is calumny. There is a huge difference between being blunt and insulting people because I can't stand being wrong and not accepting criticism. I do however can't stand getting criticism that is based on a calimero-mentality.