RE: Computer build

[Paladone]

Edit: Heres a link to the exact parts of the PC, would appreciate any further feedback - https://www.ple.com.au/ViewWishlist....1-a6c09089166d

Cheers.

[drdeathx]

The Asus P8Z77 motherboard is rather meh lookiong IMO.

[Jack1n]

Well i see a few problems with your build:
1.That video card is awfully expensive and you can get 2 aftermarket cooled 7950's for slightly more,which will be way faster than any single 7970,also i would like to know what ress you are going to be using.
2.32Gb of ram is massive overkill,8gb is all you need 16 is overkill but 32 is just too much unless your going to ram disk.
3.i would get the corsair h100i insted of the h100,it runs a couple degrees cooler while being much more silent.

Edit:Yes that board does seem mediocre,i would suggest a gigabyte UD5H or an MSI GD65.

[Paladone]

Originally Posted by Jack1n

Well i see a few problems with your build:
1.That video card is awfully expensive and you can get 2 aftermarket cooled 7950's for slightly more,which will be way faster than any single 7970,also i would like to know what ress you are going to be using.
2.32Gb of ram is massive overkill,8gb is all you need 16 is overkill but 32 is just too much unless your going to ram disk.
3.i would get the corsair h100i insted of the h100,it runs a couple degrees cooler while being much more silent.

Edit:Yes that board does seem mediocre,i would suggest a gigabyte UD5H or an MSI GD65.

From this link http://www.ple.com.au/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryId=302 which motherboard would you recommend? and which cooling system from http://www.ple.com.au/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryId=677 thanks

[lilhasselhoffer]

Only a few points to make.

1) Buy Windows 7 Professional. The Home Premium is limited to 16 GB of RAM. You've specced out 32 GB, and if I were in your shoes I'd want to get full use out of what I bought.
2) Personal choice, the H100 is...less than worth while. I have an H80, H100, Pro, and Extreme (H series was Corsair and the other two were Thermaltake). The H100 doesn't perform as quietly, or as well as the Extreme. Given that they are very similar on pricing, I'd recommend switching to the Extreme.
3) A phillips screw driver is pretty much all you'll need to build your computer.
4) To make installation easier, just hook the SSD (not the HDD) up when you're setting up the system. You can add it later, without having to do anything special.
5) Blu-ray is fun. Make sure you've got software. The OEM versions of the drive generally don't have software, so you can't watch those movies. Make sure the software is there before you order.


Otherwise, kudos. This is a solid first build, and you should be happy with the results.


Edit:
Didn't know where you were from. Based upon the information, the H100 is probably your best choice. Additionally, the motherboard found here:http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?...CategoryID=608 should do you right. The cost is slightly smaller, but AsRock has released some very nice boards in the last few years. A nearly completely black motherboard goes with just about anything. The key is that all of this is based upon aesthetics, rather than actual performance. I think the original board (P8Z77-V) would be what I stuck to if I were looking at performance.

[Paladone]

Originally Posted by lilhasselhoffer

Only a few points to make.

1) Buy Windows 7 Professional. The Home Premium is limited to 16 GB of RAM. You've specced out 32 GB, and if I were in your shoes I'd want to get full use out of what I bought.
2) Personal choice, the H100 is...less than worth while. I have an H80, H100, Pro, and Extreme (H series was Corsair and the other two were Thermaltake). The H100 doesn't perform as quietly, or as well as the Extreme. Given that they are very similar on pricing, I'd recommend switching to the Extreme.
3) A phillips screw driver is pretty much all you'll need to build your computer.
4) To make installation easier, just hook the SSD (not the HDD) up when you're setting up the system. You can add it later, without having to do anything special.
5) Blu-ray is fun. Make sure you've got software. The OEM versions of the drive generally don't have software, so you can't watch those movies. Make sure the software is there before you order.


Otherwise, kudos. This is a solid first build, and you should be happy with the results.

Cool, thanks!

[Jack1n]

Originally Posted by Paladone

From this link http://www.ple.com.au/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryId=302 which motherboard would you recommend? and which cooling system from http://www.ple.com.au/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryId=677 thanks

http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?...CategoryID=302

[Paladone]

Do you think http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?...CategoryID=302 will be compatable?

[Jack1n]

Originally Posted by Paladone

Do you think http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?...CategoryID=302 will be compatable?

Thats a great board if you dont need that many expansion slots,kinda pricey in my opinion.

[Naito]

Asrock Z77 Extreme6

or somewhat 'overkill' boards...

Asrock Z77 Fatal1ty
Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP4

Ya gotta remember, that buying the most expensive component in every category ain't always gonna bring you the best performance. The only thing you're really 'overkilling' is your wallet.

[Naito]

I do recommend the Extreme4, the one which Jack1n suggested, and I own. However, the Extreme6 is also a good choice.

[Paladone]

Originally Posted by Naito

I do recommend the Extreme4, the one which Jack1n suggested, and I own. However, the Extreme6 is also a good choice.

Thanks Someone earlier mentioned crossfiring two 7950's rather than one 7970. Would this be better? are there any downsides to this? would i need a new PSU/MOBO? Cheers

[Naito]

This HD7970 offers the similar clocks as that Asus ROG variant, but at a much better (more sensible price).

[Naito]

Originally Posted by Paladone

Thanks Someone earlier mentioned crossfiring two 7950's rather than one 7970. Would this be better? are there any downsides to this? would i need a new PSU/MOBO? Cheers

All boards mentioned here support Crossfire. PSU will be fine, as far as I can tell. Would give you more bang for buck, but may introduce any possible issues that may/usually occur with multi-GPU set ups. Some other advice would be to make sure you have enough slots for all your expansion cards, as well as the CF setup

[Paladone]

Originally Posted by Naito

All boards mentioned here support Crossfire. PSU will be fine, as far as I can tell. Would give you more bang for buck, but may introduce any possible issues that may/usually occur with multi-GPU set ups. Some other advice would be to make sure you have enough slots for all your expansion cards, as well as the CF setup

From this link http://www.ple.com.au/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryId=259 which GPU would be the best. up to $700? (I don't care about the free games, i most likely won't play them). cheers

[Naito]

I'm just wondering Paladone; is there any particular reason you're buying from PLE? Are they local? You buying online?

Also, lilhasselhoffer mentioned the H100 isn't the best of the bunch, so maybe the H80 would be more sensible?

Originally Posted by Paladone

Will my cooling be sufficient and, with the cooling system that i have chosen (Has been recommended to me) how does it work?

That NZXT Phantom 410 case comes with 120mm front, 120mm rear, and 140mm top. If, for example, you purchased the Corsair H80, you would probably be best to remove the 120mm rear fan, place that on the side panel (yes the case support this), and mount the H80 to the exhaust (rear). The H80 itself is a closed-loop system, meaning you will not have to build the loop, or fill it, yourself, etc. All you have to do is; attach it to case (as mentioned above), apply thermal paste to CPU (should be included), and mount the pump/waterblock to CPU/Board as instructed in the manual. Your cooling should be sufficient.

[Naito]

Originally Posted by Paladone

From this link http://www.ple.com.au/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryId=259 which GPU would be the best. up to $700? (I don't care about the free games, i most likely won't play them). cheers

I'm an Nvidia guy myself, but I can't argue with the value and power AMD cards have these days. You can't really go wrong with either a HD7950, GTX 670, HD7970 (I hear these are decent value), GTX 680; it's really up to what you want to spend. I tend to stay clear of multi-GPU set ups (SLI or CF) as there can be issues with certain games ,etc. These days it is a lot more reliable though. Also, CF/SLI is kinda pointless if only using a single 1080P monitor.

[Paladone]

Originally Posted by Naito

I'm just wondering Paladone; is there any particular reason you're buying from PLE? Are they local? You buying online?

Also, lilhasselhoffer mentioned the H100 isn't the best of the bunch, so maybe the H80 would be more sensible?



That NZXT Phantom 410 case comes with 120mm front, 120mm rear, and 140mm top. If, for example, you purchased the Corsair H80, you would probably be best to remove the 120mm rear fan, place that on the side panel (yes the case support this), and mount the H80 to the exhaust (rear). The H80 itself is a closed-loop system, meaning you will not have to build the loop, or fill it, yourself, etc. All you have to do is; attach it to case (as mentioned above), apply thermal paste to CPU (should be included), and mount the pump/waterblock to CPU/Board as instructed in the manual. Your cooling should be sufficient.

Yeah, i am buying from them because they live about 5 minutes from me So the H80 is better than the H100? and would i still need CPU cooling with it attached to the exhaust?

[Naito]

Originally Posted by Paladone

So the H80 is better than the H100?

I have not experienced these first hand, so maybe someone else may be able to provide some insight. I'd probably go the H80, myself.

Originally Posted by Paladone

and would i still need CPU cooling with it attached to the exhaust?

It's only the radiator and fans that attach to the exhaust. The pipes attach to the waterblock/pump (the smaller block in the picture, see link), which attaches directly to CPU/Board. The instructions will explain it in more detail. Part of the fun building your first rig :P

[Paladone]

Originally Posted by Naito

I have not experienced these first hand, so maybe someone else may be able to provide some insight. I'd probably go the H80, myself.



It's only the radiator and fans that attach to the exhaust. The pipes attach to the waterblock/pump (the smaller block in the picture, see link), which attaches directly to CPU/Board. The instructions will explain it in more detail. Part of the fun building your first rig :P

Ahh right, so would http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?...CategoryID=259 be better than the HD7970 and GTX670? Is that how it works? Is 680 better than 670 and so on?

[RCoon]

I can confirm the H80 is legitimately good. AMD's run hot, and my H80 has kept my OC at 54 degrees load after replacing the two fans with cougar turbines. The NZXT has awesome cooling mount points, and i put two 140mm fans at the top (mine is the Full size case).
Single 1080p monitor I'd probably go for a gtx 670 of some sort, though personally I'm running two 7950's to get retarded good frame rates for every game.

[Paladone]

Originally Posted by RCoon

I can confirm the H80 is legitimately good. AMD's run hot, and my H80 has kept my OC at 54 degrees load after replacing the two fans with cougar turbines. The NZXT has awesome cooling mount points, and i put two 140mm fans at the top (mine is the Full size case).
Single 1080p monitor I'd probably go for a gtx 670 of some sort, though personally I'm running two 7950's to get retarded good frame rates for every game.

Cougar turbines? Are those more powerful fans? I plan on running 1 1080p monitor but possibly 2 when i can afford it. Is the GTX680 more for running multiple monitors? Compared to the HD 7970, which is better?

[Naito]

Originally Posted by Paladone

Ahh right, so would http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?...CategoryID=259 be better than the HD7970 and GTX670?

I'm somewhat biased towards Nvidia (as I mentioned earlier); had trouble with ATI a long time ago and I prefer NV drivers, and what not. I can also vouch for the GTX 670s performance. However, I believe the newer GHz Edition 7970s paired with the latest 12.11 drivers, offer great value and performance. I don't know where the 670 stands with them now, but honestly, you can't go wrong with either.

EDIT: Looking at more a recent review of an AMD card, it seems the GHz Edition HD7970s are the fastest (minus dual GPU NV 690).

[Paladone]

Originally Posted by Naito

I'm somewhat biased towards Nvidia (as I mentioned earlier); had trouble with ATI a long time ago and I prefer NV drivers, and what not. I can also vouch for the GTX 670s performance. However, I believe the newer GHz Edition 7970s paired with the latest 12.11 drivers, offer great value and performance. I don't know where the 670 stands with them now, but honestly, you can't go wrong with either.

Aah cool, thanks. I think i'll stick with the 7970, i looked at a few reviews.

[lilhasselhoffer]

OK, my point may be lost.

When I was assuming that there wasn't a specific store to buy from, I suggested that there were other options. Corsair has the H80 and H100 at the top of their sealed water cooling units (the i series doesn't yet seem to be available at the stated retailer). The H80 comes as single radiator, with a fan for each side. It does a good job cooling, but it only slightly outperforms some air cooling options.

The H100 comes as a dual width radiator, and is packaged so that two fans can be placed on one side (you can get 2 more fans, but it doesn't come packaged with them). The H100 has better performance than the H80. If you've got room in your case, get the H100. If you want something smaller get the H80.

My original point was that the H series is not as great as the Thermaltake alternatives. Noisier fans, a 100 USD additional purchase for digital fan speed control, and more rigid tubing make the other options worth pursuing if you can. As the OP doesn't have this option, the H100 should be a good fit. It's capable enough, and you can connect the fans to your MOBO for control.