What's wrong with our forum moderator staff?

[newtekie1]

I typed out responses to everything you said Dan, but I'm not going to bother posting them and making a huge flamewar that will probably end in me being banned and you walking free of punishment, that isn't what this thread is for and it isn't going to help anything.

I made the statement that you insult people(notice the word insult, not offend), and you do, I have shown you 2 examples that still exist on the boards, and another which you(or W1z) deleted. Thats the end of it.

[AshenSugar]

Originally Posted by DanTheBanjoman

The purpose of this thread is to find out what is wrong on the forums (which obviously isn't much), W1zzard considers the things that are written here. Now if people use this oppertunity to claim things that are donkeypoo and personal I do not consider it a mole hill.

If they then come with examples that do in no way back up the claims they make I would say this is calumny. There is a huge difference between being blunt and insulting people because I can't stand being wrong and not accepting criticism. I do however can't stand getting criticism that is based on a calimero-mentality.

dont call ur sell that

and dan, just accept that your really bad at accepting any form if criticism, you have edited posts to remove things that criticised you, you get angery/upset and threten people over it, be it in public or in pm's, its a charictor flaw, one i use to have, i had to work VERY hard to get past it because it cost me 1 job and almost cost me another but the owner was a good guy and had a little talk with me, explaining that just because somebody criticises me or something i say/perpose dosnt mean they are attacking me, it just means they dont agree with me.
there was more to it but the point was that i needed to get over myself and learn to "play well with others" and "Accept other points of view" i think your in the same possition, tho you get more boligrant about it then i did sometimes saying things that would get any non mod infracted of banned.

one of the quotes of yours that said something about "we are in adult land" is effectivly the same thing that got me infracted, your say "grow up" this isnt kool, and a mod SHOULD BE AN EXAMPLE for other members to follow, if a mod even a super mod does something that wouldnt be acceptable for a normal member to do they should be punished accordingly, even more so because they are in a possition of athlority and are/should be expected to be an example of how to act.....

[AshenSugar]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

I typed out responses to everything you said Dan, but I'm not going to bother posting them and making a huge flamewar that will probably end in me being banned and you walking free of punishment, that isn't what this thread is for and it isn't going to help anything.

I made the statement that you insult people(notice the word insult, not offend), and you do, I have shown you 2 examples that still exist on the boards, and another which you(or W1z) deleted. Thats the end of it.

smart move, i may endup banned for what i just posted, but at least i said what i and many others feel needed said, even other mods have expressed this oppenion, i dont think dans a bad guy, just really bad at taking criticism, he just cant accept it, i know the feeling, tho i entered "adult land" on that count years ago after the above mentioned situation happened.

just let your words stand, you already answered his question, your not going to beable to make him acept it, and you pointed out his comment about "adult land" where he effectivly told *somebody* to grow up, something I got infracted for, so you proved your point.

[infrared]

It seems to me that the infraction system is causing most of the problems. Perhaps the moderators need to be more careful about what is given for the reason, or even contact the member via a PM first before making it (warning/infraction) "official"?

[DanTheBanjoman]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

I typed out responses to everything you said Dan, but I'm not going to bother posting them and making a huge flamewar that will probably end in me being banned and you walking free of punishment, that isn't what this thread is for and it isn't going to help anything.

I made the statement that you insult people(notice the word insult, not offend), and you do, I have shown you 2 examples that still exist on the boards, and another which you(or W1z) deleted. Thats the end of it.

So instead of a "flamewar" (you're the one who used "blunt" language here, I've been quite civilized so far) you prefer to attack someone, give flawed arguments and then leave it at that?
If you don't want to bother backing up your claims then I suggest you don't share them with the world. Which you already did so I think we have a problem here. Since I'm childish and you're not I suggest you tell me what we're going to do about it.

[AshenSugar]

Originally Posted by DanTheBanjoman

So instead of a "flamewar" (you're the one who used "blunt" language here, I've been quite civilized so far) you prefer to attack someone, give flawed arguments and then leave it at that?
If you don't want to bother backing up your claims then I suggest you don't share them with the world. Which you already did so I think we have a problem here. Since I'm childish and you're not I suggest you tell me what we're going to do about it.

dan please stop trying to start more arguments, he said he wasnt going to keep going, this is effectivly you tring to start a flamewar, something thats clearly unacceptable by any member.

and yes your acting childish at the moment, your acting like a little kid who isnt getting his way, its quite unflattering to be honest, and just makes you look bad.

please, just accept that somepeople eather dont like you or dont agree with you OR dont agree with how you act part of the time.

[DanTheBanjoman]

My contact information is public. Don't keep skeletons in your closets.

[newtekie1]

Dan, I would first like to point out that I was NOT the person to bring these issues up, I simply confirmed them, why you seem to want to start an argument with me is beyond me, I don't know what personal thing you have against me, but deal with it and move on. Secondly, the fact that not only I, but others provided examples goes to show something. Thirdly, the fact that three different people have confirmed your actions says there is a problem there, it isn't just me. Lastly, your posts in this thread alone show how childish you get when you are critizied. You aren't nearly as bad as some of the other mods, but I certainly think this place would be better if you WERE NOT A MOD, your actions today confirmed that to me.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by infrared

It seems to me that the infraction system is causing most of the problems. Perhaps the moderators need to be more careful about what is given for the reason, or even contact the member via a PM first before making it (warning/infraction) "official"?

I think that's a great idea. Sometimes people just express themselves in a way that's easy to misconstrue. It may come off as harsh or insulting, but that may have never been the intention. I know I, myself, have been guilty of this. Although, admittedly, I have never received an infraction for it, it could still become an issue for me. Whenever it does happen, tho, I try to correct myself and apologize for my wording. (Maybe that's the reason I have no infractions?)

[zekrahminator]

Originally Posted by infrared

It seems to me that the infraction system is causing most of the problems. Perhaps the moderators need to be more careful about what is given for the reason, or even contact the member via a PM first before making it (warning/infraction) "official"?

I agree. I like the system of "banned/not banned", where you get legnthier bans for how bad you were. This would make bans serious business, as opposed to infractions that people whine about/nobody else knows about. Simply replace warnings/infractions with PM's, and we're happy .

[Namslas90]

Originally Posted by zekrahminator

I agree. I like the system of "banned/not banned", where you get legnthier bans for how bad you were. This would make bans serious business, as opposed to infractions that people whine about/nobody else knows about. Simply replace warnings/infractions with PM's, and we're happy .

Now, that seems to make more sense, maybe!!

About Dan; I don't think he is a bad mod, just needs to take a different approach to how he moderates. He seems to jump in stomping out fires with guns blazing, when all he realy needs to do is waltz in say "hey what are you doing here?!". As for criticizim, some take it better than others, but that's what makes the world a fun place. If you know somebody takes things hard then use a different approach, you might find the results supprising. Dan was one of the first people to respond to me when I joined TPU, and he has also, helped me with his guidance in posting. I think all the mods are doing a wonderful job with a difficult task. If you think its easy, you try being a Kindergarten teacher, with 20K students!!

[Pinchy]

We have to remember that things come out differently to what we want them to on the internet, as simple things such as sarcasm can be hard to find.

[Thermopylae_480]

No, the infraction system is good. It allows the ability to track people who cause problems, and who have a history of ill behavior. It may need to be clarified, but it's administrative use outweighs its cons. I like the idea of having some manner for others to know that infraction was given. A lot of people don't realize that disciplinary action has taken place against others for similar offenses, the feel singled out, when they are actually one of many. The infractions system should be a slap on the wrist. Since the point system is cumulative it allows for multiple offenses to occur before more serious measure are taken, and since the points expire, people who mess up everyone once in awhile over a period of time can receive many infractions without a ban occurring.

What I think should occur is:

1) PM the person, and kindly tell them stop their ill behavior.
2) It the PM does not work, and the person consistently causes problems, a 0pt infraction should be given.
3) If the person already has an unexpired 0pt infraction, for similar behavior, than a 5pt infraction should be given.
4) If the person has an unexpired 0pt, or 5pt infraction than another should be given, and so on.

This allows for an escalation in punishment based on previous behavior. Of course in extreme cases more harsh punishment could/should be taken.

Of course we could make this all moot. Everyone could be nice to each other, and polite. That'll never happen. So you have to have the evil ogre mods who won't let you bash each other to bits, even if we are sometimes hypocritical, arrogant, or cruel. Most the time we're a lot less cruel than you are to each other, and frankly to us.

If only you could read some of the cruel PMs I get. You wouldn't believe it. It's really hard to keep your cool and not abuse your power when you come under personal, often vicious, attack. If you think the things Dan can say are bad, some of the PMs I have gotten make him look like a fluffy kitten drinking milk from a platter.

[Pinchy]

Can someone please 'enlighten' me about what the infraction system is about? This thread is the first time ive heard about it.

[i_am_mustang_man]

Originally Posted by Thermopylae_480

No, the infraction system is good. It allows the ability to track people who cause problems, and who have a history of ill behavior. It may need to be clarified, but it's administrative use outweighs its cons. I like the idea of having some manner for others to know that infraction was given. A lot of people don't realize that disciplinary action has taken place against others for similar offenses, the feel singled out, when they are actually one of many. The infractions system should be a slap on the wrist. Since the point system is cumulative it allows for multiple offenses to occur before more serious measure are taken, and since the points expire, people who mess up everyone once in awhile over a period of time can receive many infractions without a ban occurring.

What I think should occur is:

1) PM the person, and kindly tell them stop their ill behavior.
2) It the PM does not work, and the person consistently causes problems, a 0pt infraction should be given.
3) If the person already has an unexpired 0pt infraction, for similar behavior, than a 5pt infraction should be given.
4) If the person has an unexpired 0pt, or 5pt infraction than another should be given, and so on.

This allows for an escalation in punishment based on previous behavior. Of course in extreme cases more harsh punishment could/should be taken.

Of course we could make this all moot. Everyone could be nice to each other, and polite. That'll never happen. So you have to have the evil ogre mods who won't let you bash each other to bits, even if we are sometimes hypocritical, arrogant, or cruel. Most the time we're a lot less cruel than you are to each other, and frankly to us.

If only you could read some of the cruel PMs I get. You wouldn't believe it. It's really hard to keep your cool and not abuse your power when you come under personal, often vicious, attack. If you think the things Dan can say are bad, some of the PMs I have gotten make him look like a fluffy kitten drinking milk from a platter.

this sounds good

i got an infraction once when a scammer was trying to sell laptops, i posted a 3Dmark link, described it as a virus, and got an infraction. no big deal, it's just a warning as far as i could tell. i approve of this use in fact, and think infractions are more noticeable than PMs, and therefore, better. well said therm, btw

[overclocker]

well i hope i never get a infraction or what ever its called and yes all you mods seem good from what iv seen so far and c mon pepple how menny mods are their and how menny of us members are their. i say crack the wip :P

[newtekie1]

I wish more of the mods would follow Thermopylae_480 idea and give out gradual punishment system instead of jumping to the big guns. My first punishment here was a ban. No infraction history, no PM to tell me to cool down, no warning, no 0pt infraction, no 5pt infraction, just jumped right to a ban.

I also can't stress this enough, I think when a message causes an infraction or even a banning, it need to be marked in some way so that others know that the message caused the person to be punished. I would love to see something like this at the bottom of problem posts.

Moderators Note: This user was given an infraction for trolling/inciting arguments in this post.

Just something like that put at the bottom of problem message to serve as an example of what to avoid doing. I know doing it manually would mean more work added to an already tough job, but I really do think it would help a lot.

[Pinchy]

(PM sent to me from Thermopylae about infractions)

I believe the system is quiet fair. I think Thermopylae's method (as above) would work great.

[tkpenalty]

Originally Posted by Thermopylae_480

No, the infraction system is good. It allows the ability to track people who cause problems, and who have a history of ill behavior. It may need to be clarified, but it's administrative use outweighs its cons. I like the idea of having some manner for others to know that infraction was given. A lot of people don't realize that disciplinary action has taken place against others for similar offenses, the feel singled out, when they are actually one of many. The infractions system should be a slap on the wrist. Since the point system is cumulative it allows for multiple offenses to occur before more serious measure are taken, and since the points expire, people who mess up everyone once in awhile over a period of time can receive many infractions without a ban occurring.

What I think should occur is:

1) PM the person, and kindly tell them stop their ill behavior.
2) It the PM does not work, and the person consistently causes problems, a 0pt infraction should be given.
3) If the person already has an unexpired 0pt infraction, for similar behavior, than a 5pt infraction should be given.
4) If the person has an unexpired 0pt, or 5pt infraction than another should be given, and so on.

This allows for an escalation in punishment based on previous behavior. Of course in extreme cases more harsh punishment could/should be taken.

Of course we could make this all moot. Everyone could be nice to each other, and polite. That'll never happen. So you have to have the evil ogre mods who won't let you bash each other to bits, even if we are sometimes hypocritical, arrogant, or cruel. Most the time we're a lot less cruel than you are to each other, and frankly to us.

If only you could read some of the cruel PMs I get. You wouldn't believe it. It's really hard to keep your cool and not abuse your power when you come under personal, often vicious, attack. If you think the things Dan can say are bad, some of the PMs I have gotten make him look like a fluffy kitten drinking milk from a platter.

Its a fair system IMHO.

But honestly, the rating system should allow people to view who voted. Someone keeps one starring my clubhouse and five starring every other thread!!! May I stress this as I find it extremely annoying. Sorry if I sound obvious but someone is having a go at me.

May a moderator please check who voted, checking all the five star (except pinned) in the Video Card section (I one starred two in anger unfortuneately.. .T_T) and checking who voted in my thread. If there is a constant row of "malicious voters" please do something about it. That coward is degrading what I like about this forum.

[ex_reven]

imo admins need MORE power
preferably novelty powers, such as:

- putting a "im a loser" sig after their posts for mild lapses in behaviour
- deleting their system specs (just to inconvenience (or bring reality) to the user punished)
- Cutting their post count (if they insult and whore at the same time)
- imposing a compulsary restriction on an abusive user, eg - for the next week you must be sincere and kind to all other user (mods can check up on their behaviour if they have the time)
- or possibly even some kind of community service like writing up news columns (for free) and submitting them to the mods

- in the case of a medium infraction, perhaps the user could be restricted to only certain sections of the site eg - chatroom, general nonsense, articles, news

bans work nicely otherwise

[Pinchy]

Originally Posted by ex_reven

- putting a "im a loser" sig after their posts for mild lapses in behaviour

Thats just wrong

No-one would come to the forum if we did that.

(and by we, i mean the mods )

[rick22]

Originally Posted by tkpenalty

What do you say about people five starring everythread then one starring my clubhouse?

EDIT: I know who's doing it, rick22 is; he hates my club and X1950PROs.

what ever tk....let them look..but when they say your wrong then what.??????

before you use some ones name you better know what your talking about.../////

[tkpenalty]

Originally Posted by rick22

what ever tk....let them look..but when they say your wrong then what.??????

before you use some ones name you better know what your talking about.../////

Fine fine fine... just let the results do the talking lol

[rick22]

Originally Posted by tkpenalty

Fine fine fine... just let the results do the talking lol

thats cool

[Namslas90]

Well, I guess we know whats wrong with the forum mods now!!
Maybe it's time for a change.
Unbiased mods would make this a much better forum.
Mods should not take sides, just enforce the rules, they are written down it's simple.
That's my opinion, and I'm stickin to it.