Intel Core "Haswell" Quad-Core Desktop CPU Lineup Detailed

[Octavean]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

I think the 4770T is more interesting since it has a boost clock that is still respectable and still keeps it under 45w.



The K series have VT, they don't have VT-d which is just direct I/O. People who really want VT-d don't overclock so they have no reason to buy K series processors.



The K series processors do have AES, and as I said, people that actually use VT-d don't overclock so paying extra for the K processor doesn't make sense anyway.

Not so sure that is 100% accurate in all cases:

Intel Fixes VT-d Bug in Sandy Bridge-E CPUs

http://ark.intel.com/products/70845/...Cache-3_50-GHz

So apparently there are “K” series processors with VT-d support,….

***edit***

Even the Sandy Bridge-E Core i7 3820 has VT-d support and while not an unlocked "K" series part it can still be OCed:

http://ark.intel.com/products/63698

[Jizzler]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

And the reason mainstream needs 6 cores is ... ?

Because it would be easier for the rest of us to get them of course.

Originally Posted by Dj-ElectriC

K CPUs dont get VT, why? becuase F@#k you thats why

Note to self: Never consider K models and that one S model.

Back in my day, only had to remember one set of specs per CPU family and the only variable was the Mhz/Ghz of each model. Now there's exceptions all over the place and some of my most visited links are the CPU lists at Wikipedia and ark.intel.com.

[ensabrenoir]

Originally Posted by Harry Lloyd

Wow, what a fail. Exactly the same clocks. What is the point of these CPUs? The tick-tock is now completely pointless. Same clocks, same number of cores, and a 10% architecture performance boost? What a waste of money for whoever upgrades from Sandy or Ivy, especially considering a new mobo is needed.

Unfortunately this is AMD's fault. Intel can do whatever they want without competition.

,,,.... research & re-read and you'll see the benefits. And to all the "PRICERS" who constantly complain about intel prices...If you want a Porsche with Porsche performance you gotta pay Porsche prices,,,, don't worry though hyundai will always make something... almost... just kinda ...sorta like it ....minus the performance, quality and class. Which ever one fits you... go with it

[radrok]

Well to be honest there isn't that much to complain about Intel prices, at least they haven't been increasing them for their mainstream platform lately, as far as I remember though.

I do agree that if there was a bit of competition on the higher end we could've had lower prices / more cores.

Also mainstream needs 6 cores so the HEDT platform gets more than 6 stagnant cores we've been having since Gulftown.

[Delta6326]

Awesome news indeed, can't wait to get rid of this Q6600, I want the i7 4770K or T/S dunno if I will OC, they are already fast enough.

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by Octavean

Not so sure that is 100% accurate in all cases:

Intel Fixes VT-d Bug in Sandy Bridge-E CPUs

http://ark.intel.com/products/70845/...Cache-3_50-GHz

So apparently there are “K” series processors with VT-d support,….

***edit***

Even the Sandy Bridge-E Core i7 3820 has VT-d support and while not an unlocked "K" series part it can still be OCed:

http://ark.intel.com/products/63698

Of course it isn't 100% accurate in all cases. But it is probably accurate in 99% of cases. VT-d is a high level professional feature, and when used in that kind of professional environment people don't overclock. The instability risk isn't worth it. I'm sure there are a few enthusiasts that might like to play around with VT-d, but that isn't what the technology was developed for.

And yes, Sandy Bridge-E is a totally different beast. Every processor can be overclocked on that platform due to the way the platform is designed. That doesn't mean everyone overclocks that use it.

And don't confuse the Extreme edition processor with K series processors. The Extreme Edition processor offer more than just an unlocked multiplier. Professionals do use those processors and don't overclock them. There is no locked equivalent to the 3970X, it is just a flat out bad ass processor. However, there are locked equivalents to the K series processors. There is a 3770 that matches the 3770K, the K is unlocked and the non-K has VT-d.

Originally Posted by Jizzler

Note to self: Never consider K models and that one S model.

Back in my day, only had to remember one set of specs per CPU family and the only variable was the Mhz/Ghz of each model. Now there's exceptions all over the place and some of my most visited links are the CPU lists at Wikipedia and ark.intel.com.

Read my post, the K processors do have VT.

And exactly how far back is "your day"? I mean even going back to 80386 different models had different sets of specs.

[The Von Matrices]

Originally Posted by Jizzler

Back in my day, only had to remember one set of specs per CPU family and the only variable was the Mhz/Ghz of each model. Now there's exceptions all over the place and some of my most visited links are the CPU lists at Wikipedia and ark.intel.com.

Well, there is one less variable to consider: all the processors have the same integrated graphics (within 50MHz). Of course, that could mean that all the desktop processors have the GT1 graphics, which would be a shame, but I remain optimistic that they all have the GT2 version.

Edit: I also like the 35W desktop quad cores.

[Octavean]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

Of course it isn't 100% accurate in all cases. But it is probably accurate in 99% of cases. VT-d is a high level professional feature, and when used in that kind of professional environment people don't overclock. The instability risk isn't worth it. I'm sure there are a few enthusiasts that might like to play around with VT-d, but that isn't what the technology was developed for.

And yes, Sandy Bridge-E is a totally different beast. Every processor can be overclocked on that platform due to the way the platform is designed. That doesn't mean everyone overclocks that use it.

And don't confuse the Extreme edition processor with K series processors. The Extreme Edition processor offer more than just an unlocked multiplier. Professionals do use those processors and don't overclock them. There is no locked equivalent to the 3970X, it is just a flat out bad ass processor. However, there are locked equivalents to the K series processors. There is a 3770 that matches the 3770K, the K is unlocked and the non-K has VT-d.

Perhaps you misunderstood what I was trying to say with respect to your earlier post newtekie1.

I was only pointing out that the LGA2011 platform has processors that can OC and have VT-d (3970X, 3960X, 3930K and 3820). The “K” nomenclature is peppered in there as you know. As far as I know all the Sandy Brdige-E processors C2 stepping and above have functional VT-d support in hardware with OC support and that includes the Core i7 3930K.

There aren’t that many “K” processors to begin with. Considering only the most current processor line available (Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge-E) the percentage of K processors that support VT-d is 33.3% or 1/3 (out of the 3930K, 3770K and 3570K). If you consider OCable processors as a metric all the Sandy Bridge-E processors can OC so the percentage there (with Ivy Bridge) with respect to VT-d support would be 60% with VT-d support.

The value of OC + VT-d is up to the individual. I agree that most people who want one of these features doesn’t necessarily care about the other.

[Binge]

Originally Posted by hardcore_gamer

It would have of been nice if they kept the same TDP as ivy and increased the clock speeds instead.

What??? that's like saying to lower the TDP and keep the same clocks. When -YOU- overclock the proc it will have TDP like ivy bridge lol.

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by Octavean

Perhaps you misunderstood what I was trying to say with respect to your earlier post newtekie1.

I was only pointing out that the LGA2011 platform has processors that can OC and have VT-d (3970X, 3960X, 3930K and 3820). The “K” nomenclature is peppered in there as you know. As far as I know all the Sandy Brdige-E processors C2 stepping and above have functional VT-d support in hardware with OC support and that includes the Core i7 3930K.

There aren’t that many “K” processors to begin with. Considering only the most current processor line available (Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge-E) the percentage of K processors that support VT-d is 33.3% or 1/3 (out of the 3930K, 3770K and 3570K). If you consider OCable processors as a metric all the Sandy Bridge-E processors can OC so the percentage there (with Ivy Bridge) with respect to VT-d support would be 60% with VT-d support.

The value of OC + VT-d is up to the individual. I agree that most people who want one of these features doesn’t necessarily care about the other.

But what I'm saying is that the 2011 platform is a totally different beast. Every processor is overclockable. And the processors that do have unlocked multipliers don't have equivalents that are locked. For example, there is no standard 3930, there is only the 3930K. So if someone wants that level of performance, even if they plan to run it at stock, the 3930K is the only option, so including VT-d is a must on that processor. However, on the mainstream platform that isn't the case. There is a 3770 and a 3570, so including VT-d on the K processors isn't necessary. If someone wants VT-d they are going buy the 3770 not the 3770K.

[Jizzler]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

Read my post, the K processors do have VT.

And exactly how far back is "your day"? I mean even going back to 80386 different models had different sets of specs.

Oh, I know. Whether it's VT/VT-d or just VT-d doesn't change whether I'd ever buy them. I simply found DJ's post the most accurate description of Intel's reasoning. "Fvck you, that's why!" works as an answer to "Why?" 97% percent of the time. The other 3% I actually see a clear reason as to why Intel chose to do what they did.

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by Jizzler

Oh, I know. Whether it's VT/VT-d or just VT-d doesn't change whether I'd ever buy them. I simply found DJ's post the most accurate description of Intel's reasoning. "Fvck you, that's why!" works as an answer to "Why?" 97% percent of the time. The other 3% I actually see a clear reason as to why Intel chose to do what they did.

In this case the reasoning is that people buying the K processors are extremely unlikely to ever use VT-d.

[SIGSEGV]

Originally Posted by Covert_Death

yea blame AMD cause that's the fun thing to do

if your going to blame someone blame the software and game companies out there that still live in the 90's and refuse to code for 4+ Cores still... yes it's a littler harder to do but damn get with the times it's what NEEDS to be done

lol, indeed..
when intel release something news or rumor on their upcoming processor line up, i'm just laughing

[radrok]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

But what I'm saying is that the 2011 platform is a totally different beast. Every processor is overclockable. And the processors that do have unlocked multipliers don't have equivalents that are locked. For example, there is no standard 3930, there is only the 3930K. So if someone wants that level of performance, even if they plan to run it at stock, the 3930K is the only option, so including VT-d is a must on that processor. However, on the mainstream platform that isn't the case. There is a 3770 and a 3570, so including VT-d on the K processors isn't necessary. If someone wants VT-d they are going buy the 3770 not the 3770K.

You could always buy a skt 2011 Xeon, the high clocked 6 core variant doesn't cost much more than a 3930K, there are 6 cores under 3930K price point too if I'm not mistaken.

[Nihilus]

Originally Posted by Harry Lloyd

Wow, what a fail. Exactly the same clocks. What is the point of these CPUs? The tick-tock is now completely pointless. Same clocks, same number of cores, and a 10% architecture performance boost? What a waste of money for whoever upgrades from Sandy or Ivy, especially considering a new mobo is needed.

Unfortunately this is AMD's fault. Intel can do whatever they want without competition.

The core 2 had lower clocks than the pentium 4 and that worked out pretty well. Don't judge on something that hasn't been benched yet. Sandy Bridge was your 5.4L Triton engine. Ivy Bridge added 3v per cylinder. Haswell is your spanking new Coyote 5.0L - Still 8 cylinders, runs at similar RPM's, but much more powerful! AMD would be your 5.3L Chevy.... still using OHV.