Swiftech to unveil new H220 all-in-one CPU cooler during CES 2013

[SonDa5]

Originally Posted by radrok

No, it can't be, the APD II has a MCP35X.

It can't be what?


The pump is new design in the H220.

[radrok]

Originally Posted by SonDa5

It can't be what?


The pump is new design in the H220.

Yes it is designed to be good and cheap and not certainly up to MCP35X APDII combo level.

Why do you think it is much cheaper, new manufacturing node?

[james888]

The block is the same as the apogee drive II, they said so in the video. I think the apogee drive II is enough for a pretty comprehensive loop with 1050 lph. They said in the video that the new pump was enough for a much bigger loop than the stock h220 loop.

It sounds like a better pump/block in general by what they said. Maybe their margin is lower.

[SonDa5]

Originally Posted by radrok

Yes it is designed to be good and cheap and not certainly up to MCP35X APDII combo level.

Why do you think it is much cheaper, new manufacturing node?

I don't know about the manufacturing node used but according to information found in this thread it is a new pump that has higher MTBF rating and higher output.

Looking forward to learning more about this pump.

[radrok]

As far as I know it is a 9w pump with better head pressure than the 35X if compared at same rotation speed, it goes up to ~3000 RPM.

If you take this into account it shouldn't be stronger than a MCP35X, since the latter goes higher on RPM.

So if this was a 18w pump it would have been stronger at full speed in theory!



I'm just tinkering with numbers given by Gabe on XS, we'll see when/if Martin gets one and tests it.

[SonDa5]

Originally Posted by radrok

As far as I know it is a 9w pump with better head pressure than the 35X if compared at same rotation speed, it goes up to ~3000 RPM.

If you take this into account it shouldn't be stronger than a MCP35X, since the latter goes higher on RPM.

So if this was a 18w pump it would have been stronger at full speed in theory!

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6623/35xvs325xspc2.png

I'm just tinkering with numbers given by Gabe on XS, we'll see when/if Martin gets one and tests it.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...uring-CES-2013

I'm very interested to see how these new pumps from Swiftech turn out. I'm thinking Swiftech will end up refreshing most of their products with their own in house pumps.

2013 may be a great year for new PC water cooling technology with Swiftech leading the way with better operating pumps.

[radrok]

Originally Posted by SonDa5

2013 may be a great year for new PC pump cooling technology with Swiftech leading the way.

Let's hope for super performing + super quiet pumping technology

[MT Alex]

Originally Posted by james888

The block is the same as the apogee drive II, they said so in the video. I think the apogee drive II is enough for a pretty comprehensive loop with 1050 lph. They said in the video that the new pump was enough for a much bigger loop. The pump also has 3x the lifespan.

It sounds like a better pump/block in general by what they said. Maybe their margin is lower.

No, that's not what he said, I just watched it, not even close. Start at 3:45 until 5:15.

[OneMoar]

I think the people at Corsair and thermaltake just shawt them selves

/me wants

[Vlada011]

This will not be available in many countries and CORSAIR will sell H100 on that place.
If this show like good cooler I must find someone to first send him money with Western Union and he to order this.

I doubt this can cool i7 OC and two graphic card OC. Because radiator. 360mm is I think recommend for CPU and GPU.But 3770k OC and GTX680 OC this can be excellent option. I see lot of Thermaltake and CORSAIR H100 in trade section for 70$ if review show this like excellent option.
But again maybe we will see 5C better temps than with H100/H100i on one CPU only Swiftech + one graphic card. Than many people with AIR cooled graphic card will stay with CORSAIR.
Swiftech will rise on 150$, CORSAIR will down on 100$ everywhere and that's it.
This look to cool to be truth... But again maybe this is revolution... If this is good CORSAIR will make something similar soon. They want to win that is politic.

OMG I'm sorry my people in Serbia, they are still in 2009, and 1kg of metal is best option there.
Megahalem is still recommend like WOW for someone who spend 1500e on PC. That is good cooler but now is 2013 not 2008, people want same performance and clean look inside PC and how AIR out of case. When I saw ROG recommend PC build from junk with 8 color inside and ugly cable management from our market I decide to always wait until find exactly what I need. Special because pay pal not work.
Some of them think if tower cooler is close to all in one that is almost same good nobody think about hot air remove immediately out of case. Time of big cooler is pass.

I wish this cooler to show like excellent but I'm on CORSSAIR side, I would love they to make better.


They sell and this fans for 10$ I think, 1800RPM, someone talk about fans like Gentle Typhoon
successors. Is that truth??? You need best possible fans for only 240mm radiator for more than CPU.

[james888]

Originally Posted by MT Alex

No, that's not what he said, I just watched it, not even close. Start at 3:45 until 5:15.

Originally Posted by james888

The block is the same as the apogee drive II, they said so in the video. I think the apogee drive II is enough for a pretty comprehensive loop with 1050 lph. They said in the video that the new pump was enough for a much bigger loop(In comparison to the stock h220 loop). The pump also has 3x the lifespan.

It sounds like a better pump/block in general by what they said. Maybe their margin is lower.

-pump "6 watts" at 4:16, In comparison to other AIO being "1.2 watts" about 3 seconds later. "It is 6 times as powerfull" "capable of driving multiple devices in the loop" "for any custom loop" at roughly 4:20-4:25. They not I stated an flow rate for it. They just stated it was enough for a much bigger loop and I made the comparison that the apogee drive II was also enough to power a pretty big loop. I added () above to make myself a bit more clear.

-"mbtf is 60,000" Ok. Got me there. How I got 150000, 3 times the agogee d II, the first 3 times through I do not know.

-"Same block base" "Same performance as apgogee drive II" Sounds like the same cpu block to me.

[MT Alex]

Originally Posted by james888

-pump "6 watts" at 4:16, In comparison to other AIO being "1.2 watts" about 3 seconds later. "It is 6 times as powerfull" "capable of driving multiple devices in the loop" "for any custom loop" at roughly 4:20-4:25. They not I stated an flow rate for it. They just stated it was enough for a much bigger loop and I made the comparison that the apogee drive II was also enough to power a pretty big loop. I added () above to make myself a bit more clear.

-"mbtf is 60,000" Ok. Got me there. How I got 150000, 3 times the agogee d II, the first 3 times through I do not know.

-"Same block base" "Same performance as apgogee drive II" Sounds like the same cpu block to me.

Same thermal performance as the copper base of the Apogee Drive II, yes. A comparable pump to the MCP-35X, no. The latter of these two points seemed to be what you were alluding to. I'm sure this is a sweet little pump, sure, but in no way will perform like an 18W 35X. That is what radrok was trying to convey, as well.

[radrok]

Originally Posted by james888

-pump "6 watts" at 4:16, In comparison to other AIO being "1.2 watts" about 3 seconds later. "It is 6 times as powerfull" "capable of driving multiple devices in the loop" "for any custom loop" at roughly 4:20-4:25. They not I stated an flow rate for it. They just stated it was enough for a much bigger loop and I made the comparison that the apogee drive II was also enough to power a pretty big loop. I added () above to make myself a bit more clear.

The H100 pump is a 1.2w pump (confirmed by that video too), with something like 1.5 PSI head and 0,5GPM.

Six times the H100 pump is close to the 9w specification I got from Gabe on another forum.

I could see this having the same performance as the MCP35X @ 50% RPM, nothing more.

[OneMoar]

the wattage of the pump does not directly tell you the power of the pump there is a whole lot more to motors then just there operating voltage and power draw
the people at swifttech have been around the water-block a time or two
if they say it can drive a bigger loop then i believe them

[crazyeyesreaper]

I want one.... drools

[radrok]

Originally Posted by OneMoar

the wattage of the pump does not directly tell you the power of the pump there is a whole lot more to motors then just there operating voltage and power draw
the people at swifttech have been around the water-block a time or two
if they say it can drive a bigger loop then i believe them

No one is saying it can't drive a bigger loop, where do you see such statement?

Me and Alex are just saying that this won't be a match for the MCP35X, is it too hard to understand what we are saying?

[MT Alex]

Originally Posted by radrok

I could see this having the same performance as the MCP35X @ 50% RPM, nothing more.

Exactly. I'm not sure where this other misconception is coming from, it's frustrating to say the least.

Originally Posted by OneMoar

Blah....blah.....the people at swifttech have been around the water-block a time or two
if they say it can drive a bigger loop then i believe them

They don't say it can drive a bigger loop than the Apogee II, not once. I'm not sure where you got that from. It can drive a bigger loop than just the cpu block, but not what you are harping on.

[OneMoar]

Originally Posted by radrok

No one is saying it can't drive a bigger loop, where do you see such statement?

Me and Alex are just saying that this won't be a match for the MCP35X, is it too hard to understand what we are saying?

1 who said anything about being a match for the MCP35x or apogee II or whatever
o thats right it was you noobs that came in here and started thread crapping with your talk of O my pump is bigger then yours my block is harder and smoother ... blah blah blah
zero fucks are given don't yall have something else todo then to thread crap and argue about a product you haven't even tested yet ?
speculation is one thing what you are doing is just plain annoying for people that want to read about the product and not compare it to a ~300 dollar loop that at its best MIGHT run 5c cooler lol
I am sure it would be more then capable of driving a GPU block and and a north-bridge/VRM block

[radrok]

So it is actually right to nitpick about processors performance difference but it is just an epeen show when someone talks about pumps? Ooookay.

I just happen to be a watercooling enthusiast who just wants to give the right spot to every product.

FYI I don't even have an MCP35X so your argument is void.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by james888

The block is the same as the apogee drive II, they said so in the video. I think the apogee drive II is enough for a pretty comprehensive loop with 1050 lph. They said in the video that the new pump was enough for a much bigger loop than the stock h220 loop.

It sounds like a better pump/block in general by what they said. Maybe their margin is lower.

It likely is, but if more people buy it because it is a better product...yea everyone knows how that works. Should hopefully enough for a CPU+GPU+RAD. I think that is what swiftech is gearing it towards.

[MT Alex]

Originally Posted by OneMoar

1 who said anything about being a match for the MCP35x or apogee II or whatever
o thats right it was you noobs that came in here and started thread crapping with your talk of O my pump is bigger then yours my block is harder and smoother ... blah blah blah
zero fucks are given don't yall have something else todo then to thread crap and argue about a product you haven't even tested yet ?
speculation is one thing what you are doing is just plain annoying for people that want to read about the product and not compare it to a ~300 dollar loop that at its best MIGHT run 5c cooler lol
I am sure it would be more then capable of driving a GPU block and and a north-bridge/VRM block

Thank God I didn't have to hear that mess of thought in your actual voice. Anyone who uses the term "noobs" deserves no courtesy. None of what you just spewed is what anyone was saying, other than your shut in self.

Originally Posted by radrok

FYI I don't even have an MCP35X so your argument is void.

And he doesn't even have a loop, it's like most everything else he blabs about.

[james888]

Originally Posted by MT Alex

The latter of these two points seemed to be what you were alluding to

Why I made myself clear.



Now that all of the above has been settled. I am curious about the swiftech fans they got on there. I have read they are pretty good. Anyone have experience with them or know a good review? Swiftechs site is the only place with real info on them that I have found in the past.

[radrok]

They are similar to Gentle Typhoons, a bit on the weaker side, they are cheaper too though.

[sneekypeet]

Saw these at CES, and came home to one sitting here.

Let me just say this. In the suite I visited, they had an H100, and a Water2.0 unit, as well as just the CPU version of the H220 and one running SLI (along with the CPU).

The water2.0 and H100 run hotter with just the CPU, and with the SLI in the loop, the temps were only a degree or degree and a half more than just the CPU under the H100.

Also there are a ton of things that none of the other manufacturers thought of that made it into this unit. So on top of better performance, you are going to get a much better thought out and designed component to use in general, even if you just use it as-is out of the box!

[MT Alex]

Originally Posted by sneekypeet

Let me just say this. In the suite I visited, they had an H100, and a Water2.0 unit, as well as just the CPU version of the H220 and one running SLI (along with the CPU).

You were in the same suite as in the video? That's pretty nifty.

Also there are a ton of things that none of the other manufacturers thought of that made it into this unit. So on top of better performance, you are going to get a much better thought out and design component to use in general, even if you just use it as-is out of the box!

I really like the idea of the rotating fittings that come out of the radiator. Relieving that stress will save a bunch of potential problems later down the line.

I really hope Swiftech knocks this one out of the park and these things sell like hotcakes. Too many manufacturers and retailers are having to cut back or go out of business. I hope this gives them the liquidity to develop more great stuff.