Catalyst 13.2b due next week; TechReport tests it out

The Mac · Jan 17, 2013, 06:20 PM

http://techreport.com/review/24218/a...on-frame-times

looks awesome...

Kaynar · Jan 17, 2013, 06:25 PM

Ah great! I guess now I will have lower frame-times than my already record-low and stable 16-17ms (compared to techreport.com)! I still do have some rare spike to sub-100ms though (rarely).

It seems that this issue only appears on the GHz edition cards, since both my non-Ghz 7970 and my flatmate's non-Ghz 7950 have absolutely no problems.

erocker · Jan 17, 2013, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaynar

Ah great! I guess now I will have lower frame-times than my already record-low (compared to techreport.com) 16-17ms!

It seems that this issue only appears on the GHz edition cards, since both my non-Ghz 7970 and my flatmate's non-Ghz 7950 have absolutely no problems.

Did you use FRAFS bench viewer to test things out? I have no issues myself, but the frametimes are bad, just not noticable.

Thanks for the head up Mac, now I won't bother with the drivers being released today.

The Mac · Jan 17, 2013, 07:01 PM

hmmm...i didnt know fraps could measure latency, ill have to mess with that tonight and see how my stock sapphie 7970 OC eddition does...

erocker · Jan 17, 2013, 07:03 PM

Actually it is FRAFS, not FRAPS... Though you need FRAPS too to get the frametimes.

You can get FRAFS here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/frafsbenchview/

cadaveca · Jan 17, 2013, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mac

http://techreport.com/review/24218/a...on-frame-times

looks awesome...

I don't see it as awesome. I see AMD finally admitting a problem that has existed for years, and their response is such that I will be listing my AMD cards for sale and moving over to NVidia for the foreseeable future.

Microstutter isn't a term people are familiar with because AMD admitted the problem...it's the hardcore denials that had everyone in such an uproar about it. Now, here it is explained in a way that AMD finally understands, and they deal with single-GPU only, and do the fixes...WITHOUT THE MEMORY MANAGEMENT CHANGES. What a bunch of idiots. They didn't even identify the problem correctly in the first place, and clearly, are still confused as to what is going on, by their own statements.

The Mac · Jan 17, 2013, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by erocker

Actually it is FRAFS, not FRAPS... Though you need FRAPS too to get the frametimes.

You can get FRAFS here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/frafsbenchview/

well, that explains it. lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadaveca

I don't see it as awesome. I see AMD finally admitting a problem that has existed for years, and their response is such that I will be listing my AMD cards for sale and moving over to NVidia for the foreseeable future.

Microstutter isn't a term people are familiar with because AMD admitted the problem...it's the hardcore denials that had everyone in such an uproar about it. Now, here it is explained in a way that AMD finally understands, and they deal with single-GPU only, and do the fixes...WITHOUT THE MEMORY MANAGEMENT CHANGES. What a bunch of idiots. They didn't even identify the problem correctly in the first place, and clearly, are still confused as to what is going on, by their own statements.

I think you are missing the point, the improvements look Awesome, it irrelevant whether AMD has admitted anything.

TheMailMan78 · Jan 17, 2013, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadaveca

I don't see it as awesome. I see AMD finally admitting a problem that has existed for years, and their response is such that I will be listing my AMD cards for sale and moving over to NVidia for the foreseeable future.

Microstutter isn't a term people are familiar with because AMD admitted the problem...it's the hardcore denials that had everyone in such an uproar about it. Now, here it is explained in a way that AMD finally understands, and they deal with single-GPU only, and do the fixes...WITHOUT THE MEMORY MANGEMENT CHANGES. What a bunch of idiots.

Welcome to the green side my red brother.

cadaveca · Jan 17, 2013, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Welcome to the green side my red brother.

It's be a warmer welcome if that welcome included the cash for GTX690...

HMm...OH W1zz...! I need to talk to you...

TheMailMan78 · Jan 17, 2013, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadaveca

It's be a warmer welcome if that welcome included the cash for GTX690...

HMm...OH W1zz...! I need to talk to you...

Man you know I would if I could.

erocker · Jan 17, 2013, 07:07 PM

So a few more weeks and we'll get the reworked memory drivers. I'm hoping this does some good for CrossFire, I wouldn't mind picking up another card as long as things are fixed. Even still... I'm skeptical.

NinkobEi · Jan 17, 2013, 07:11 PM

I wonder if this will let me squeeze more power outta this 6850... Probably not but a guy can hope

The Mac · Jan 17, 2013, 07:15 PM

It might make some of those games that were barely playable, more palyable at lower FPS...

Which means you might be able to turn up more eye candy and still get smooth play.

3870x2 · Jan 17, 2013, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mac

It might make some of those games that were barely playable, more palyable at lower FPS...

Which means you might be able to turn up more eye candy and still get smooth play.

Tests show that only latency was fixed, and performance was not affected.

cadaveca · Jan 17, 2013, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mac

It might make some of those games that were barely playable, more palyable at lower FPS...

Which means you might be able to turn up more eye candy and still get smooth play.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mac

I think you are missing the point, the improvements look Awesome, it irrelevant whether AMD has admitted anything.

I don't care that AMD has admitted anything either...but these are pretty basic driver tweaks, done on a per-app basis.

To me, that means that the chance of this fixing ALL apps is near ZERO...since it's per app, as stated by AMD in that article.

If it was just the memory management, then fine, across-the-board fixes are great. But that is not the case here.

LAN_deRf_HA · Jan 17, 2013, 07:20 PM

I will say the initial progress is good. I thought it would take much longer than this. All it will take to get this to cover most games is simply adding this test to the majority of review sites. Keep the pressure on. Unfortunately I can't imagine a lot of willingness on the reviewer side to make that change.

The Mac · Jan 17, 2013, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadaveca

I don't care that AMD has admitted anything either...but these are pretty basic driver tweaks, done on a per-app basis.

To me, that means that the chance of this fixing ALL apps is near ZERO...since it's per app, as stated by AMD in that article.

If it was just the memory management, then fine, across-the-board fixes are great. But that is not the case here.

They have to start somewhere

pretty quick turn around since they just found this right beofre the holidays...

geez, someone need some happy pills...

TheMailMan78 · Jan 17, 2013, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mac

They have to start somewhere

geez, someone need some happy pills...

They should have started about 6 years ago.

The Mac · Jan 17, 2013, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

They should have started about 6 years ago.

admittedly, however, now it better than 2 years from now.

relax man...anger will give you a heart attack.

TheMailMan78 · Jan 17, 2013, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mac

admittedly, however, now it better than 2 years from now.

relax man...anger will give you a heart attack.

I aint mad. I went NVIDIA last year because of this kinda stuff and I aint going back for a LONG time if ever. I was an ATI guy since 1997. Not anymore.

erocker · Jan 17, 2013, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

I aint mad. I went NVIDIA last year because of this kinda stuff and I aint going back for a LONG time if ever. I was an ATI guy since 1997. Not anymore.

Nothing to do with this thread. Nobody care why YOU went to a different brand, this isn't about that.

Good day sir.

The Mac · Jan 17, 2013, 07:33 PM

lol

TheMailMan78 · Jan 17, 2013, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erocker

Nothing to do with this thread. Nobody care why YOU went to a different brand, this isn't about that.

Good day sir.

He referred to me directly about being mad. I was responding how I wasn't. However I am glad you might get some more use out of that 500,000 dollar GPU you got. Glad to see ATI admitted their drivers are fail sauce.

The Mac · Jan 17, 2013, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAN_deRf_HA

I will say the initial progress is good. I thought it would take much longer than this. All it will take to get this to cover most games is simply adding this test to the majority of review sites. Keep the pressure on. Unfortunately I can't imagine a lot of willingness on the reviewer side to make that change.

if they could tweak the drivers to include this fix in the caps, then they could fix all kinds of stuff...

erocker · Jan 17, 2013, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

He referred to me directly about being mad. I was responding how I wasn't. However I am glad you might get some more use out of that 500,000 dollar GPU you got. Glad to see ATI admitted their drivers are fail sauce.

Isaidgooddaysir!

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Kaynar Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 289 (0.59/day) Thanks: 23 Thanked 68 Times in 52 Posts System Specs	Ah great! I guess now I will have lower frame-times than my already record-low and stable 16-17ms (compared to techreport.com)! I still do have some rare spike to sub-100ms though (rarely). It seems that this issue only appears on the GHz edition cards, since both my non-Ghz 7970 and my flatmate's non-Ghz 7950 have absolutely no problems.

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The Mac Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 157 (0.38/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 40 Times in 20 Posts	hmmm...i didnt know fraps could measure latency, ill have to mess with that tonight and see how my stock sapphie 7970 OC eddition does...

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erocker Senior Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI. Posts: 31,957 (12.78/day) Thanks: 2,793 Thanked 12,318 Times in 7,831 Posts System Specs	So a few more weeks and we'll get the reworked memory drivers. I'm hoping this does some good for CrossFire, I wouldn't mind picking up another card as long as things are fixed. Even still... I'm skeptical.

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